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No Dave, thank you! ...proving the point of the article exactly... the frustrated liberal attacks the poster when they cannot controvert the facts of the article or the research...
It just takes too much emotional energy to have that much anger inside... doctors have medicine to help control those anger issues.

If there was science or even a fact that could be defended or attacked that would be one thing. Fact is this guy has a masters degree....in something and I assure you it is not in a science, therefore what you have here is opinion. You might argue well founded opinion, but I would suggest it is about as well argued as something that would come from Ann Coulter. So how about we leave it there....in the trash

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Originally posted by PinkBlossoms:
Nick, fleeing from those I perceive as evil and not wanting them in my life is not malice - that's silly and far reaching. Filling my life with wholesome people is a form of self preservation, self-respect and goes along with His teachings.

You can sugar coat and defend the liberal agenda all you like. We know it's not from God ... in the three examples I just gave you, and there are many more.

It's all about choices. Just like His Word, that also doesn't change.

Good day!

Hi Pink Blossoms,

As your brother Christian, I feel it prudent to point out to you that the Pharisees once subjected their judgment to broad and wide terminology to group people together. They "knew" the disciples were "sinners" because they belonged to a membership outside of the church and, in the very center of Jesus Himself, DARED to eat on the sabbath and serve with the "unwashed" and "unclean."

In fact, didn't they subject Jesus Himself to these ridicules? And when Jesus fulfilled the Holy Writ and died upon the cross to be separated from His Father, what did He proclaim? To forgive those that know not what they do?

The very VIRTUE of the Christian faith is to not judge others. Hate the sin, love the sinner. Let your good works speak for you. Hide what your right hand is doing from your left hand. He who has his reward here on Earth has no reward in Heaven. And so on and so forth.

I am a right wing Christian Conservative, and your anti-Liberal tripe spews a message of judgment and condemnation that is akin to Phelps and his anti-everything agenda.

As your brother, I humbly ask you to stop and pray and ask yourself this one thing:

Is that how Jesus would treat these Liberals? Would He Himself write what you wrote?

I think not, sister. Please consider this only as loving admonishment, as I am no where near sin free. But we need to set the example, and you're just calling every political affiliation not Conservative as against God, and that is what we are COMMANDED NOT to do.

I suggest the bible and much prayer, as hate has no place in a true Christian heart.

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There's entirely too much hate on these boards.

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Originally posted by FollowMeInfantry:

In my opinion, change begins with uniting Americans in both voice and spirit. That is, quality of life for all of us, a resounding commitment to be more tolerant, more loving, and more in control of bureaucratic misalignment and side stepping.

For 200 years, it has been 'us' versus 'them'. How does THAT better the country?

I don't know, Mary... seems to me that only the elitists benefit from the current trend of push me and I push back.

Rather than divide and incite, we should all be working together to fix the real issues. If you could rally of all America at a table over beer and hot wings, with a mediator making certain that middle ground was the ultimate goal, I'd wager dollars to donuts that we could come to a compromise that actually benefits the country as a whole.

You're a Liberal, Mary, and I am a Conservative Libertarian Moderate. Somewhere in the past, someone convinced us that our way was the only right way, playing with our puppet strings to pit you against me and me against you. We listened and became enemies. Why?

Are we both not equal as Americans? Are we both not equal in the eyes of God? Are we both not adults with intelligence enough to seek solution rather than in-fighting over affiliation of title? Are we both not veterans?

So what the hell are we arguing about?

If we put our heads together, rather than turning away from each other and covering our ears demanding that our way is the only way, I'll bet even two simpletons like us could come to compromises that would benefit both of us. If the rest of America followed suit, we'd all have a better place to live - more secure with a stable economy and freedom and equal opportunity for all.

Why does no one see that and continue to allow these self-serving politicians to prod us into complete isolation from each other? You are not my enemy, and I am not yours. Crooked, greedy, self-serving politicians ARE both our enemies, however. By keeping us from making real change, beginning right here and now, they keep the power and peeons like you and me pay the price for a lack of political progress.

Sorry for rambling, but I swear that if people would just stop fighting each other, we would return to the days after 9/11 when we all worked collectively. Party lines didn't matter. Income didn't matter. The mansion owners stood side by side with those living in trailer parks. Anti-gunners and those carrying a gun stood next to each other and wept as the fire fighters dug through rubble. Republicans and Democrats sat down and derived solutions, putting their political biases and differences aside in the name of what was best for a now stunned America.

Is that what it takes? A disaster, an attack on our soil? How sad it comes to just that.

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FMI, I don't know that I'd actually call myself a "liberal", per say. Truthfully, I don't care for any labels.

I do agree that we Americans need to unite for change and cut out all the name-calling and BS. I think we need to address and resolve some very serious issues in this country--homelessness, healthcare, poverty, to name just some of the important ones.

Democrats or Republicans--I'm not satisfied that either side has a real plan

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Originally posted by MightyB:

How great our country would be if everyone thought as you do. But that seems like an impossibility. We are such a self centered culture nowadays. The concept of neighbor helping neighbor seems almost alien today to some.

Some of the issues you mentioned does not mean anything to a lot of people. Homelessness is the fault of the homeless, healthcare should have been taken care of by those who need it. Never mind the fact that they can't afford it being that they're the working poor. Well in that case they should have gotten more education. "Provety is not my concern, I've got mine and they should have gotten theirs. They must be lazy. They can't have any of mine. I worked hard for it."

At this point I'm just waiting for the end of this vile system. I'm beginning to believe more and more that we could indeed be living in the end times. "Men will become lovers of self" is a sign of those times. That is such the norm these days.

It seems that we can only try to keep our own house in order, because no one else wants to hear it.

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Originally posted by PinkBlossoms:
... if Obama can stay alive that long. (Don't count her out yet.) I mentioned that concern at the Obama state fair booth and they said they "are aware of" the public's concern for his physical safety. So, there you go. A tidbit for you.

You seem pleased to believe that there is concern for Obama's physical safety. Your apparent glee is disturbing.

Mary, Mary - shame on you. Your statement is almost as desperate as Weps trying to play the race/nationality card when he had nothing left to play.

If you've read any of my posts regarding the Beast and Obama, you would know that I was ecstatic when the Beast lost to him (or anyone for that matter.) Now don't get me wrong, I'd never vote liberal, but I consider Hillary much more of a threat than Obama. So the lesson here is to know who you are talking to when making such outlandish and seemingly desperate statements.

Pinkie,

Ah, you've won my heart.

"Liberal" may be a nasty, dirty word to you, but honey, I think you are one in the making.

Don't give up, babe.

Mary, you wouldn't be the first liberal to wish eternal damnation on me. But I am steadfast and true in my walk ... and cannot be swayed to the dark side. Sorry, hon, you choose the left and I choose the right. I have eternity to think about.

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he very VIRTUE of the Christian faith is to not judge others.

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he very VIRTUE of the Christian faith is to not judge others.

Bull Crap!

FollowMeInfantry, God gave us free will and in order to use it we need to judge what we are doing.

“Judge not, less ye be judged and found unworthy.”

This statement from the Bible doesn't prevent Christians from judging. It is a warning against hypocrisy. As long as I am willing to be judged I will judge.

Maybe in your world you don't mind hanging around with a child molester because you don't want to judge but in mine it isn't going to happen.

I judge who is worthy to be my friends and who I trust. I judge who I want to associate with, what close I wear and what I like to eat.

Either learn the scriptures before you spout them or if you have learned them then stop misusing them.

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Mighty B - my gut instinct about you was correct and it came to pass sooner than I thought it would. After just reading the vile, silly stuff you posted about me on the thread I started... you've been exposed. And you did it yourself and reinforced my gut instinct about your sincerity on this thread. And now I know what your purpose was in trying to desperately spin my words here - and there. Got it.


B, you never should have tried to make it personal. That's where you fell. Again, choices.

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I am not your enemy, I am your brother in Christ. Disagreeing with me is fine, but let's leave the nasty and spiteful accusations out of that disagreement, m'kay

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. Striving with people will certainly eat you “as doth a canker” as the Scripture saith. Here are just a few scriptures:

“strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers” -II Timothy 2:14


“But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness. And their word will eat as doth a canker…” -2nd Timothy 2:16-17


“But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.” -2nd Timothy 2:23

“Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him. Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.” (Proverbs 26:4-5)

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Originally posted by FollowMeInfantry:

MOD HAT OFF

I'm not certain what I've said to warrant this animosity, but I prefer rational discussion over outright condemnation. My very next sentence was "Hate the sin, love the sinner," but you conveniently snipped that part out.

There is a difference between judgment and discernment. And where in the WORLD did you pull the child molester thing from?

Robert, the distinction is very clear in scripture: We are not to judge, we are to discern. The "Judge not" statement is NOT about hypocrisy, proving only that you are incapable of accepting anything in context. It is a warning to discern and decide between truth and fiction, but to allow God alone to judge. Only God knows the heart, which is why we're instructed to leave judgment to Him - you and I simply do not know anything about anyone except what appears on the surface.

Let's fall back to your child molester example. If you're 18.1 years old and you have consensual sex with a 17.5-year old and her parents push it when they find out, guess what? You'll be registering as a sex offender for the rest of your life. Should I judge your intent and condemn you?

The passage warning us not to judge is centered around condemnation of the soul and intent. It has nothing at all in any way to do with practicing hypocrisy. It is a warning that we are not God and that to practice narcissism is to bind ourself to the same condemnation we place upon others.

It is not me that is unfamiliar with scriptural context, sir.

But I do not wish to argue, and if you disagree with me then I accept that. We can both interpret what we read in different ways, but as long as we use it for our personal edification then it is beneficial.

I am not your enemy, I am your brother in Christ. Disagreeing with me is fine, but let's leave the nasty and spiteful accusations out of that disagreement, m'kay?

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FollowMe, I know your post wasn't directed to me. Additionally, I didn't know you were a mod.

But, nevertheless, I find it peculiar that the person you're admonishing is Op -- when more than once "nasty and spiteful accusations" were hurled at me prior to Op posting. (And I didn't see anything whatsoever resembling that behavior in his post. Nada.)

<Confusion created.>

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Op, I'm beginning to think that the word "judgmental" may be a new buzz word for liberals. On another board, I recall being called judgmental when I said Ted Bundy was a murderer. That's how silly it can get.

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The concept of neighbor helping neighbor seems almost alien today to some.

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The concept of neighbor helping neighbor seems almost alien today to some.

How totally false that statement is. We just recently had flooding on the Mississippi river and that is all you saw was neighbor helping neighbor.

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The concept of neighbor helping neighbor seems almost alien today to some.

How totally false that statement is. We just recently had flooding on the Mississippi river and that is all you saw was neighbor helping neighbor.

You obviously don't live in New Orleans.

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Well what makes New Orleans different from the rest of the country and why do you think that they lack the American spirit? What are the common denominators?

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[QUOTE]That wasn't true for all of NO. Most of what you're talking about came out of the Wards, which are improvished. If you have ever been around really poor people, (I have. BTDT.) one of the first things to go is hope, the second is a sense of humanity. Then why do many rise out of it? If the poor have no hope then why do so some try and why should our tax dollars even be waisted on the poor if it won't lead to at least some rising out of poverty. Charity? Then we shouldn't allow the poor to breed because that only brings more hopeless people doomed to poverty. Sorry Mighty, I just don't agree. There is always Hope. There are always Dreams. And the vast majority of poor people, at least here in America are poor because of the choices they have made in their lives and ignoring the opportunities before them along with a lack of drive. Those are character faults or an indoctrination that they can't succeed, no matter what, so why try.

From what I've seen of the really poor, they have a me and them mentality. Oh come on Mighty. That is is a human characteristic. Don't you think that someone sitting at the country club sipping their martini doesn't have the same attitude? But still, there were instances of these very poor people helping one another. WAIT! That just invalidated your first statement. But that is a feel good story and only is played on Sunday Morning broadcast. The rest of the time the media is only going to show you the worst of humanity. That sells. I have to concur with you on the media and it's mentality.

Then you look at the dynamics of exactly how it went down. When they were told to evacuate, many of the poor didn't have a car and means to do this. And all their lives the poor have been told that the City had a plan to get them out, and they did but Mayor Nagin and the state of Louisiana couldn't find that plan and or didn't follow it. The government that had been promising that evacuation in exchange for votes lied. Well maybe not lied. Just incompetent. Nagin didn't organize the evacuation and spurned the offer by AMTRAC to evacuate the poor. Add to that the tardiness of the busses, which came very late if you remember, these people were stuck. Thus, self preservation set in. It seemed as though no one cared.

During that period I happened to find myself in Houston where a lot of the displaced found themselves. At the stadium speaking to some of them, what was common was the statement; "they just left us". The poor indoctrinated fools became sheep instead of following their own human instincts and trusted the government to be their shepherds. I don't know how that affects a person mentally, but it can't be good. It did them a favor. They now know that the only person that they can count on is themselves. Now they have a motivator. Lets hope that they pass this on to their children.

Mind you, I'm not making any excuses for the animals who preyed upon their own during a time of crisis. The animals who raped and abused little girls as they went through an horrendous event. I guess there are animals in every situation. Unfortunately yes. And our founding fathers in their wisdom provide for that with the Second Amendment. And who are against that? Oh yes, Liberals. Moreso it seems in the culture of the really poor. No humanity is taught or given. And here I thought that these were also church going folks.

JMHO Which I generally respect but as I have pointed out I disagree with you on this.

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Then why do many rise out of it? If the poor have no hope then why do so some try and why should our tax dollars even be waisted on the poor if it won't lead to at least some rising out of poverty. Charity? Then we shouldn't allow the poor to breed because that only brings more hopeless people doomed to poverty. Sorry Mighty, I just don't agree. There is always Hope. There are always Dreams. And the vast majority of poor people, at least here in America are poor because of the choices they have made in their lives and ignoring the opportunities before them along with a lack of drive. Those are character faults or an indoctrination that they can't succeed, no matter what, so why try.

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Then we shouldn't allow the poor to breed because that only brings more hopeless people doomed to poverty.

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Then why do many rise out of it? If the poor have no hope then why do so some try and why should our tax dollars even be waisted on the poor if it won't lead to at least some rising out of poverty. Charity? Then we shouldn't allow the poor to breed because that only brings more hopeless people doomed to poverty. Sorry Mighty, I just don't agree. There is always Hope. There are always Dreams. And the vast majority of poor people, at least here in America are poor because of the choices they have made in their lives and ignoring the opportunities before them along with a lack of drive. Those are character faults or an indoctrination that they can't succeed, no matter what, so why try.

Then you believe that we are all created equal in terms of mental capacity, drive, determination, and intestinal fortitude. We are not and never have been as humans created the same in those aspects.

Just as some of us made As and Bs while in school, some struggled just to make a B or a C. And they were not lazy kids, their mental capacity just wouldn't allow them to get it. They just never comprehended. Yet for us, it came fairly easily with a bit of study. I'm assuming it was the same for you, or were you one of the ones who stuggled?

And you speak of some of them getting out and rising above their circumstances. They simply have something that others do not. Call it what you will, but some just don't have it. With someone working with them they can discover it deep down inside. But who? That is why I'm such an advocate of Big Brother/Big Sister programs, as well as, any mentoring program. I see a positive change today in that more and more of the middle class are reaching back to "pay it forward".

Some of us were nothing but blessed to not fall into the ditch of acceptance regarding our circumstances. And we have to take "hope" to them because that is alien to their lives. Generation after generation of hopelessness. For some, that becomes the norm.

Believe me, not making excuses, just stating that people are different. Some are born with certain strengths while others are not. Case in point, physical powess. Some kids can run and jump better than others. Throw a ball farther, catch a screaming drive down the middle. No matter how hard some try, they just don't have the coordination to run a good pick and roll pattern. It is just not part of their genetics.

If this is true in terms of physiology, then how can you dismiss it in the mentality? Lets say that a kid is raised in severe provety. All he grew up seeing is others as he is. Most of the adults he is around have all but accepted their plight in life. Lets also say that this kid is not to bright or no one has taught him critical thinking skills. How will his life progress?

Like I stated, not making excuses, just saying that some of us are smarter than others. Some of us have more astute survival skills on a broader level. While others have survival skills, but they are more on a basic level. Dog eat dog as it were.

As you know, some people will allow a wall to stop them, while others such as myself, will climb over it, go around it, dig under it, and as a last resort, smash through it. I will not be stopped by anything.

No one's thoughts regarding me, no one's attitude toward me, no matter what labels or prejudices they have will do nothing but make me stronger. Others will break and accept other's judgements as being the truth.

Now I have to bring you to task on your one statement.

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Then we shouldn't allow the poor to breed because that only brings more hopeless people doomed to poverty.

Who exactly is this we you speak of? Remember at one time in this country a segment of the population was treated as livestock, and bred as such. If I were you, I'd watch who I say that around. I found your statement to be very offensive to even suggest we treat human beings as nothing more than livestock. "Spay and neuter your pet"?. The connection can be made without stretching it very much. In your mind you probably meant no harm, I only hope not, but that is a harsh thing to say regarding human beings. And I know there are poor White people in trailer parks all over America, and I'm sure you are aware of the severe provety in Appalacia, so I don't take it as racial, but really severe classism.

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And I know there are poor White people in trailer parks all over America, and I'm sure you are aware of the severe provety in Appalacia, so I don't take it as racial, but really severe classism. {QUOTE] (Me)

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Mighty there are more poor whites than poor blacks so take the chip off you your shoulder. No need to pull the race card. No need to let your slave blood boil up.

(You)

See, you may have proved my point. It seems you don't read as well as some. Really though, apparently you were in such a hurry to dispute me that you didn't read to the end.

Numbers, you again? Okay I guess you join Opfor in the lack of reading skills category. If you reread my post, I said "some" people.

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Just as some of us made As and Bs while in school, some struggled just to make a B or a C.

[QUOTEAnd you speak of some of them getting out and rising above their circumstances. They simply have something that others do not.

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Call it what you will, but some just don't have it.

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Generation after generation of hopelessness. For some, that becomes the norm.

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Some are born with certain strengths while others are not. Case in point, physical powess. Some kids can run and jump better than others. Throw a ball farther, catch a screaming drive down the middle. No matter how hard some try, they just don't have the coordination to run a good pick and roll pattern. It is just not part of their genetics.

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Like I stated, not making excuses, just saying that some of us are smarter than others. Some of us have more astute survival skills on a broader level. While others have survival skills, but they are more on a basic level. Dog eat dog as it were.

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As you know, some people will allow a wall to stop them

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So I guess you now accept the premise of the argument. Maybe you are really are a conservative but refuse to admit it.

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PinkBlossoms, thank you for your kind words, you make me blush.

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Op, I'm beginning to think that the word "judgmental" may be a new buzz word for liberals. On another board, I recall being called judgmental when I said Ted Bundy was a murderer. That's how silly it can get.

Your instinct are correct again Pink. That verse has been picked up and twisted by the left because they don't understand it, (or maybe they do), and sadly many other people don't either.

I believe that the verse has replaced John 3:16 as the most quoted scripture.

Sadly though because as I have said it is being twisted by sinners to refute judgment of the righteous.

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Remember at one time in this country a segment of the population was treated as livestock, and bred as such. If I were you, I'd watch who I say that around.