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After careful consideration, I have changed my mind about this and will now concede the point that conservatives are indeed happier than liberals.
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Proud to be a Christian, gun owning, American veteran and redneck. God bless the USA and our vets! ------------------ Proud Member ------------------ ![]() |
Hi Pink Blossoms, As your brother Christian, I feel it prudent to point out to you that the Pharisees once subjected their judgment to broad and wide terminology to group people together. They "knew" the disciples were "sinners" because they belonged to a membership outside of the church and, in the very center of Jesus Himself, DARED to eat on the sabbath and serve with the "unwashed" and "unclean." In fact, didn't they subject Jesus Himself to these ridicules? And when Jesus fulfilled the Holy Writ and died upon the cross to be separated from His Father, what did He proclaim? To forgive those that know not what they do? The very VIRTUE of the Christian faith is to not judge others. Hate the sin, love the sinner. Let your good works speak for you. Hide what your right hand is doing from your left hand. He who has his reward here on Earth has no reward in Heaven. And so on and so forth. I am a right wing Christian Conservative, and your anti-Liberal tripe spews a message of judgment and condemnation that is akin to Phelps and his anti-everything agenda. As your brother, I humbly ask you to stop and pray and ask yourself this one thing: Is that how Jesus would treat these Liberals? Would He Himself write what you wrote? I think not, sister. Please consider this only as loving admonishment, as I am no where near sin free. But we need to set the example, and you're just calling every political affiliation not Conservative as against God, and that is what we are COMMANDED NOT to do. I suggest the bible and much prayer, as hate has no place in a true Christian heart. It's not that there is no God or that He isn't listening. You're probably just asking the wrong questions. |
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You're a good man FMI. I don't care what they say aboutcha.
L'Chaim! |
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I'll bite. What changed your mind? |
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When it suddenly dawned on me that... |
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FollowMe, I didn't see that as an admonishment of any kind. I see it as your belief, brother.
I'm not going to get into a Bible verse debate, but there is much said in The Book about fleeing from evil, aligning yourself with goodness and righteousness, being cautious in friendship, etc., etc. Granted, it's not the only topic covered, but the one I'm talking about right now. The fact that some on here wish to change the subject only means they will not address this one. So be it. The fact that I choose to speak up for God and His Word and His Way is to my credit. This didn't happen overnight, but as I became stronger in my faith. And it's not always the easiest thing to blatantly speak up for God ... but as my siggy line says: "Anything easy ain't worth a damn." Woody Hayes (RIP) |
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Since much of your postings are contrary to the teachings of your deity, how can you say you are speaking for him with a straight face? |
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Wow thorin001 is a Christian scholar.
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I know. I go to him often for sprititual guidance and direction. "Anything easy ain't worth a damn." Woody Hayes (RIP) |
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Proud to be a Christian, gun owning, American veteran and redneck. God bless the USA and our vets! ------------------ Proud Member ------------------ ![]() |
I understand, ma'am, but one must take The Word in its entirety - it was not written for us to apply this bit of scripture here and that bit of scripture there. It is whole and full, and anything from The Word that doesn't add up to other scripture (seemingly contradictory) is misinterpreted by the reader and purporter of the message. For instance, we are told to "flee from evil." This can be backed up by Jesus' command to shake the dust from our feet when the message is not received. Yet didn't Jesus constantly surround Himself with sinners? Didn't He explain to us that to preach to the righteous was a waste of time when the unrighteous were in need of teaching? Didn't He encourage us to strongly enter the enemy's strongholds and be bold and preach? Without a COMPLETE understanding of who Jesus was and why He came and what He taught while here, one could view the above as contradictory. In truth, all those passages say the exact same thing. Know what "that thing" is, sister? The greatest commandment is to love the Lord your God with all of your heart and soul. Jesus Christ also stated that, like the greatest, to 'love thy neighbor' is the second - He changed the Ten Commandments. If we are without love for our neighbors, enemy or friend, we sin in every possible way aside from loving God - except that God is not mocked, and Jesus says that the second command is "like" the first. The Aramaic for "like" is "equal to." It's not for me to judge, but I sure do hope you think about it. It's not that there is no God or that He isn't listening. You're probably just asking the wrong questions. |
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Anything I post on these boards is my opinion only unless accompanied by documented fact. Know that in politics my emotions is with no party. |
Why do some always seem to attempt to find verses which justifies what they want to do? Perhaps they should study, not read, study the entire Word of God.
If you really study you will see that the admonishment to "flee from evil" speaks to the hearts and thoughts of the individual, not any outside source. In this instance God warns us not to judge our Brother. But I guess some choose to overlook that scripture. Then Pink states that she limits her association to those who are like minded. I suppose that it was forgotten that we as Christians set a goal to be Christ like. Jesus did not disassociate from the sinner, he sought them out. He did not hang with the aristicrates of the day, he mingled with the common folks. He even stated; "as you do unto the least of these my bretheren, so you do unto me." So you think yourself better than other children of a Loving God and think yourself righteous for it? As a Christian, yes we must get into scripture. As a matter of fact, you tried to use it to justify your prejudice against a group of people.
I could go on and on finding and presenting direct scripture that condemns your way of thinking. Your ways are truely not the ways of our Lord and Savior. Your attitude really is more akin to that of the Pharasees whom He admonished greatly. On a secular level you deny yourself in that you have a closed mind, what I find to be a conservative trait. The thing about a closed mind is, nothing can get in and there ain't nothing worth getting out. There is one thing that intriques me. As you profess Christianity, you must fellowship. Are you stating that within that fellowship it is open only to those which think alike? There is no room for independent thought or questions? If you do fellowship in this kind of environment, it sounds more like a sect than a house of worship. Don't get me wrong, I don't doubt your commitment to your way of being a Christian, it is just not mine, and I don't understand it. It goes against everything I have learned in my Christian walk. Even though I don't understand your way of worshipping and honoring God, I still wish His Blessings and Mercy upon you. May His Grace shine upon you. But most of all, may you receive His Loving attitude toward His people. WHAT WE HAVE DONE FOR OURSELVES ALONE DIES WITH US;WHAT WE HAVE DONE FOR OTHERS AND THE WORLD IS AND REMAINS IMMORTAL |
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Proud to be a Christian, gun owning, American veteran and redneck. God bless the USA and our vets! ------------------ Proud Member ------------------ ![]() |
Assuming that your post wasn't directed at me, given that you and I said the exact same thing... Do you remember back, oh, about the mid '80's or so? They started coming out with those books that you could alternate the ending to. Remember those? It'd give you a choice, EG: "If you wish to go in the cave, go to page 88. If you wish to keep going, go to page 56. If you attempt to force a collapse in front of the cave, go to page 148." So you could choose the ending and one book was good for several reads as long as you chose an alternative path. Remember those? Many Christians treat scripture this same way. They skip to the back of the book and pick the ending they want most out, and then make all their decisions after they know the outcome and what choices they need to make to get there. But not unlike "cheating" in those alternative ending books, these Christians miss the entire purpose of the book itself: To live by the story that benefits them for bragging rights even though they are cheating, rather than the story itself. The Bible is an instruction book on how to enjoy life. Skipping to the ending to piecemeal your way through all the chapters to "win" just devalues what you paid for (what Christ paid for). Many people want to go to heaven, so they see bits and pieces of what to DO in order to get there. However, we've already been told that what we DO isn't ever going to be good enough, and those that continue to devalue the Word through judgment will answer for their earthly desire to rewrite what Christ Himself wanted us to hear. In the real world, we don't get a say-so in the ending. We have to live the book -- ALL of the book -- to get a happy ending. Taking away or adding to the Word just doesn't cut the mustard, though many self-proclaimed Christians feel they know better than the truth and have the option to interpret scripture for their purpose, damning the rest of us. It's not that there is no God or that He isn't listening. You're probably just asking the wrong questions. |
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Luke 6:35 - But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for He is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil. 6: 36 - Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful. ... I'm curious as to the scriptures in which the Lord taught us to "flee from evil" and be "cautious in our friendships". I don't remember those. |
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Anything I post on these boards is my opinion only unless accompanied by documented fact. Know that in politics my emotions is with no party. |
FollowMeInfantry we are on the same page. Your take on what the Word means matches my own. For me it is not that hard to understand. But I guess for others.......
They forget that
So the most we can do is;
If we don't at least try to do this, then we are lost. Admittedly, this is not as easy as it sounds, especially the second part, so it does take effort, conscious effort. Yet how can one fulfill the first if you can't accomplish the latter? By the way I need to inform all who read my post that I am by no means holier than thou. I have studied, but remain a sinner. At this time I'm trying to become a better Christian, thus a better man. In my life I've been a thief, a *****monger, a drunk, a drug addict, a liar, a fornicator, and a retribate of the highest order. No, I'm not perfect, just saved and forgiven. Today I hold no malice against any man. But still I sin daily. My thoughts still wander to the dark side sometimes. But today I don't allow my thinking to lead me. Today I consciously try to be a good man, a good husband, a good friend, a good father, a good grandfather. I won't say a good Christian because I don't really know exactly what that is, but I try and can only pray I'm on the right path. Just doing the best I can with what I've got. WHAT WE HAVE DONE FOR OURSELVES ALONE DIES WITH US;WHAT WE HAVE DONE FOR OTHERS AND THE WORLD IS AND REMAINS IMMORTAL |
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FollowMe, if you want to talk about subject of The Book in its entirety, that would be nice too.
But, I was speaking specifics, which I firmly stand by. My heart and conscious dictate those I trust and align myself with in this life. It's very important to me. That's what I was talking about, in a nutshell. ... which doesn't mean I didn't appreciate your subject and your words. Peace be with you. "Anything easy ain't worth a damn." Woody Hayes (RIP) |
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Closer than many who actually make that claim. Which is truely sad. |
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Golly gee, and it is so simple really
When I am with other liberals a lot of our world view is shared, we agree on most everything, and commonly even on the reason for those things. It is easy to get along and all is harmony. When I am with conservatives a lot of our world view differs. Any conversation is likely to expose areas of disagreement. Arguments abound and as many people are not very good at arguing, the arguments not infrequently devolve to "you are stupid and wrong", name calling and anger. So as a liberal, I see happy easygoing liberals and angry hateful conservatives. Just as conservatives do, only the other way around, regards JakobA "Good is better than bad cause its nicer" Mammy Yokum (as related by Al Capp) |
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Anything I post on these boards is my opinion only unless accompanied by documented fact. Know that in politics my emotions is with no party. |
It is not his words that you should appreciate. The Words of The Lord which were quoted to you holds more significance to the well being of your eternal soul.
It must feel good to be able to pick and choose what part of God's Word you want to follow. It may be important to you, but does it honor God?
I guess that says to your conscience to keep only those which are important to you? Is this a new form of Christianity? I really have never heard this before from someone who professes to Love The Lord as their Savior. WHAT WE HAVE DONE FOR OURSELVES ALONE DIES WITH US;WHAT WE HAVE DONE FOR OTHERS AND THE WORLD IS AND REMAINS IMMORTAL |
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B, is there a reason you chose to exclude the first sentence of my post?
Indeed. ... transparent ... "Anything easy ain't worth a damn." Woody Hayes (RIP) |
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I don't consider Stanford University a bastion of conservatism. . . . And yeah, we a-r-e "all that" AND a bag of chips! |
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With all due respect FMI, that is like saying that a soldier can't kill in combat, because hate has no place in a true christian heart???? You can point out failings, judges works, stand up for what's right, or kill in combat, without malice. |
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LOL. |
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Proud to be a Christian, gun owning, American veteran and redneck. God bless the USA and our vets! ------------------ Proud Member ------------------ ![]() |
I very much agree, ma'am. Malice is something that only the Lord can honestly judge. Hate is not an equity to killing, and killing is no cousin of hate. But when judgment broaches the horizon of your speech, it is time to take a step back and ask what so many have made into a cliche: What WOULD Jesus do? Rebuke? Certainly. But out of love. Jesus never condemned anyone because of their political affiliation, their looks, their money, or anything besides their heart. So you're quite right that we have the authority to point out the inequities as a matter of long suffering and love of our brothers and sisters of the bride that is Christ. But Jesus never labeled anyone He wasn't intimately familiar with, and thus we must follow that example and reserve judgment for He Who know knows the heart. To say that ALL Liberals must be avoided because they are the evil in which we are commanded to flee is not only ignorant, it is outright biased in bigotry and completely contrary to the path Jesus taught us to walk. How can one love their neighbor if one is too busy judging them based on their affiliations? It's not that there is no God or that He isn't listening. You're probably just asking the wrong questions. |
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Amen. Speaking up for what is right and wholesome has nothing to do with malice. That was some lib spin. The fact that I don't try to appease and embrace the liberal agenda (and all the wickedness that flows from it) is not only the right thing to do - for me, it's the only thing to do. God willing, I'll always have the backbone to speak up for Him and against the evils of this world. This has been a good start. "Anything easy ain't worth a damn." Woody Hayes (RIP) |
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Anything I post on these boards is my opinion only unless accompanied by documented fact. Know that in politics my emotions is with no party. |
I didn't include this because FMI was speaking of the Book as a whole from the beginning. You were the only one picking and choosing what part to honor. To be honest, our examples were pretty specific also, but focussed on what Jesus informed us was His greatest commandments. Please believe me, your ways are not my ways and your beliefs definitely I do not share. But they are yours and you are entitled to them. My only attempt was to share the Word of God with you. It is your choice to accept it or not. I presented you with the Word of God in scripture. His Words, not mine. Words that make perfect sense to me, apparently not to you. That is really not my business and I've done my Christian duty by introducing you to the Word. Your conscience tells you to pick and choose which of God's laws to follow and to ignore the rest because its not "important to you'. Well that's between you and Him. No one will have to answer for you when that time comes. You will be able to explain your logic for yourself. Then it will be His choice whether to excuse you or not. But do remember, you were informed. It's not like you didn't know. I believe that you are absolutely wrong and that your thinking places your eternal soul in jeopardy of damnation, but you are still my Sister in Christ, and my prayers are with you. So may the Grace of God give you a discerning spirit. And His Blessings be upon you. WHAT WE HAVE DONE FOR OURSELVES ALONE DIES WITH US;WHAT WE HAVE DONE FOR OTHERS AND THE WORLD IS AND REMAINS IMMORTAL |
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B, you excluded my first sentence because it didn't fit into scolding me - which you aren't in a position to do anyway.
You said: "You were the only one picking and choosing what part to honor." To honor?? What a pitiful and judgmental word choice. Shame on you. There was no need for me to read any further after seeing that. Because I chose to discuss specifics (which obviously made some uncomfortable - so what) does not mean I don't "honor" The Word in it's entirety. That was a lie you made up, but for what purpose? Shameful. "Anything easy ain't worth a damn." Woody Hayes (RIP) |
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Anything I post on these boards is my opinion only unless accompanied by documented fact. Know that in politics my emotions is with no party. |
I didn't say it, God did in His Word.
It can't be any clearer than that can it? And I am in a position to share scripture with you and anyone who will read/hear the Word of God. If you learn nothing from it, that is between you and God.
As you see, it says ALL, not that which are "important to you". But as I stated before, this is all your choice. By all means do as you please. You said you didn't have to continue reading once you saw I mentioned "honoring" God through the keeping of His Word. Now that is strange to me. I personally feel that we honor God's Word first by reverencing it, for it is God's words to us as inspired by the Holy Spirit. But it is not enough just to reverence it, we must believe it to the extent that we live a lifestyle based on it as a foundation of our lives. Many people believe there is a God, but don't want to be bothered with living how God wants them to. They want to do their own thing and not be told what to do. Jesus said, "If you love me you will keep my commandments". We can talk about how much we love God but it doesn't mean anything until we obey him. That is true reverence (honor) of God's Word. JMHO and faith. I remembered this and had to come back. You stated that I'm not in a position to "scold" you which I definitely was not trying to do. I believed I was educating through the use of scripture. The Lord advised us to "Come as a child", which means to be open to learning. This says it all for me.
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