You count 'em

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Originally posted by 2494906:
The phrase "Defend Life" is now hateful??? What could be so hateful as to want to defend the life of our most vulnerable citizens? Of all the hot button issues out there, this one of the most interesting... Neither side (in my opinion) is based on erroneous thought. Both sides have a valid point. Does a woman have the right to her own body? Of course! Does the government have the duty to protect its citizens? Yes it does.

We just have to decide which one of these opposing rights trumps the other.

It has nothing to do with the message. You stated that we almost never see conservatives protesting with signs; I proved you wrong. Then you tried the tap-dance that what you really meant was conservatives protesting "in large numbers"; I proved you wrong again.

Now, you want to try and dodge that it's only hateful protest you were talking about.

Whatever, dude. I plainly handed you your own a## on this one and the majority here know it (although I'm sure you'll have a few die-hard conservative defenders).

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I don't think I've ever seen a liberal try to hide his anger. No self control. It's usually a point of pride with them. Now it is just dumb to be proud of your anger issues. Like I tell my children, no one can make you mad but yourself. Almost a contest of who can be angrier... To wit: The bumpersticker "If you aren't angry, you aren't paying attention."


They usually wear their anger on their sleeve for the entire world to see. Almost like a badge of honor.... Walking billboards for heart attacks.

We only have a short time on this earth and they want to waste it being angry.

Yeah... you really showed me!

Opfor6, you are absolutely correct! I am much more content being happy. I think I'll stick with Plan A.

Geez dude! Do you actually read your post before you hit the "Submit" button?? These folks aren't against something... They are FOR something!

Somehow, I suspect that point may be lost on you... So be it. But I admire your amazing ability to be able to read people's mind. Not people you even see. Just words on the internet... You assume you know what they are thinking by deciding who they think "won". Wow... That's pretty amazing stuff.

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Originally posted by 2494906:
Geez dude! Do you actually read your post before you hit the "Submit" button?? These folks aren't against something... They are FOR something!

Somehow, I suspect that point may be lost on you... So be it. But I admire your amazing ability to be able to read people's mind. Not people you even see. Just words on the internet... You assume you know what they are thinking by deciding who they think "won". Wow... That's pretty amazing stuff.

If it makes you feel better about it and gets to to sleep at night then go right ahead, stick your head in the sand. It's no skin off my nose.

Twist Anti-Abortion -Woman into "Pro-life".
Twist Anti-Gay into "Pro-family".
Twist Anti-War-Protester into "Pro-war". (because, come-on! How many of these people would waste their time with the signs if everybody was for the war?)

And just because a lot of these folks aren't frothing at the mouth in these photos doesn't mean they don't have just as much hate in their hearts as everyone else.

I'm going to practice that age-old adage "Never get in the way of your enemy when he is in the process of destroying himself."

(That's not to say you are my enemy; you are my friend. Just thought I'd clear that up...)

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Originally posted by 2494906:
I'm going to practice that age-old adage "Never get in the way of your enemy when he is in the process of destroying himself."

(That's not to say you are my enemy; you are my friend. Just thought I'd clear that up...)

Again... whatever, dude.

Just don't try to hand me your BS that conservatives are not as passionate about their beliefs as liberals (it's an insult to conservatives and the intelligence of everyone here). I'm not buying for an instant that conservatives would not go to the same lengths in their fight or protest for their beliefs the same as everyone else would.

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We, as Americans, are selfish, self-centered brats. We do exactly as you said we do, divide and incite. One only need to turn on the news and see the political mud slinging and back stabbing that occurs to properly divide us in what I consider a gross violation of what our politicians should be doing, bringing us all together.

Very well said but some don't or won't realize that very simple point. They have chosen their side and nothing can change their minds because then they would have to admit that they could be wrong. It seems to admit that they could be wrong somehow diminishes them as whatever they believe themselves to be.

BONESAW.......Everyone had to see it. I read what your opponents stated and then I viewed your pics. But they just can't cop to it. The conservative trait that I can't stand. Don't get me wrong, conservatives have just as many good points as the average liberal. But they just can't, and for the most part won't, admit when they're wrong. Even when they're proven wrong they won't admit it and will argue their point still.

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It has nothing to do with the message. You stated that we almost never see conservatives protesting with signs; I proved you wrong. Then you tried the tap-dance that what you really meant was conservatives protesting "in large numbers"; I proved you wrong again.

Now, you want to try and dodge that it's only hateful protest you were talking about.

They've got more excuses than a crook going to jail. I consider myself a pretty rational, intelligent individual, but for the life of me I can't understand why they would even attempt to dance around what you presented.

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Thank God for AIDS

Naw....Not hateful at all....

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No Tears For *****s

A loving statement for sure.

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God Hates ***s

They are real Christians

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Sounds a bit bigotry to me but I'm not as happy as these conservatives apparently.

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God Hates You

Can't you just feel the love?

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Kill all suspected terrorist and their supporters

Let's not make sure that they're terrorist, if they're even suspected, let's kill them and their friends and family. How very loving of them.

Even though I am in favor of a woman's right to choose, but against late term abortion and abortion on demand, I honor those with strong feelings concerning abortion.

But, I wonder just how many of these people actually adopt some of these unwanted children or do they just talk a good game? Do they care about the children that has to live usually a very dysfunctional life filled with abuse and neglect? Money where your mouth is folks. I respect that even more.

Bonesaw's point was made whether you want to accept it or not.

MightyB,

Those quotes you pulled are NOT from Conservative Christians. They are from a lunatic group engrossed in so much stupidity and bigotry and hatred that they have actually warped their pathetic little minds into believing that God supports their gibberish. Using God to express the hatred and bias they have in their hearts stems from their personal interpretation of their sect of Christianity and has absolutely nothing to do with REAL Christians that purport the works of Christ (tolerance, love, forgiveness and all that sill stuff).

Please never use those kooks as anything even slightly resembling any vestige of my faith in Christ, for they are destined to burn in hell for their transgressions. The Lord warns us about false prophets, and that is exactly what these retards are.

Please don't confuse my faith with Phelps' fiction.

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Originally posted by 2494906:
Another indicator that I see that liberals are generally more angry is how they voice their differences. Most conservatives are content to engage in civil, calm debate.

I think Bonesaw's photos have provided a satisfactory response to this.

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But you dont' see this with liberals.

Oh really? That's what academics do. That's how intelligent, educated people handle science, law, and other pressing issues. They look at the facts, discuss them, and attempt to reach logical conclusions for both sides of the debate. But on this website, academics are accused of drinking the "cool aid", and are told that they just talk and are incapable of "doing". Perhaps liberals should prove their points by doing? Conservatives like to do that with guns, don't they? Either way, liberals try to engage in intelligent, rational, logical debates, but conservatives seem to be allergic to facts, logic, and reason, and therefore refuse to engage in factual debate.

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They make giant signs and gather up in large groups and all chant and yell things. I was in SF and got caught up in a few of these. These people are NOT caring, kind, considerate folks. You normally will not see conservatives voicing the opinions in this venue. (I'll refrain from the obvious "group think mentality" here....)

I've encountered quite a few hate-rallies held by conservatives. Lots of nasty name-calling. I was told, just today, on this website, that people of my faith are "devil worshippers". How kind and compassionate... and utterly false. Conservatives get angry whenever anyone demonstrates that they're wrong... which means they're angry quite often.

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And I agree, it's okay to be angry. Anger can be healthy. We should get angry when we see injustice in the world. That's a good thing. The danger I see is this: it can't become your identity. It should never become who you are.

Oh, so now it's okay to become angry if it's only part of the time? Okay, so maybe I should yell at a conservative today. Maybe I should stand outside a church on Sunday morning and call the parishioners "homophobes" and "haters", just like people who call themselves Christian have stood and called people like me "****ing f@ggots" and "devil worshippers". As long as I only do that part of the time, it's okay?

Listen, I don't know where some people on this site get the delusion that conservatives are all these calm, rational, Bible-carrying, compassionate, well-mannered people. I've always been a moderate, and I enjoy a good debate. I'll argue either side of an issue if it can stimulate a good discussion.

I can guarantee that if you decide to debate on the opposite side from a conservative, you're FAR more likely to be met with baseless insults and condemnations than if you debate opposite a liberal. Liberals tend to stack facts against each other and see what reason and logic will produce. Conservatives start with their minds made up, and no amount of evidence will change that, and if someone disagrees, well then damn them to hell, because that's where they're going anyway.

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Originally posted by FollowMeInfantry:
MightyB,

Those quotes you pulled are NOT from Conservative Christians. They are from a lunatic group engrossed in so much stupidity and bigotry and hatred that they have actually warped their pathetic little minds into believing that God supports their gibberish. Using God to express the hatred and bias they have in their hearts stems from their personal interpretation of their sect of Christianity and has absolutely nothing to do with REAL Christians that purport the works of Christ (tolerance, love, forgiveness and all that sill stuff).

Please never use those kooks as anything even slightly resembling any vestige of my faith in Christ, for they are destined to burn in hell for their transgressions. The Lord warns us about false prophets, and that is exactly what these retards are.

Please don't confuse my faith with Phelps' fiction.

That is a pretty typical conservative dodge; "we disavow our lunatics, but no one else gets to".

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Conservatives start with their minds made up, and no amount of evidence will change that, and if someone disagrees, well then damn them to hell, because that's where they're going anyway.

At times I understand exactly what my conservative Brothers and Sisters are saying. At other times they talk like they're mad, meaning insane. And don't dare try to confuse them with a fact.

The above is the single most disturbing thing about the conservative fringe. Damn if they'll admit when they are wrong. Proven or not. They will act like they are stuck on stupid before they admit that they (could be) wrong.

I must admit that I don't find that to be healthy. At least not mentally. They have a word for that....oh yeah they call it denial.

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That is a pretty typical conservative dodge; "we disavow our lunatics, but no one else gets to".

Are you crazy? Of course you can't. That is reserved for the righteous.

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Those quotes you pulled are NOT from Conservative Christians. They are from a lunatic group engrossed in so much stupidity and bigotry and hatred that they have actually warped their pathetic little minds into believing that God supports their gibberish. Using God to express the hatred and bias they have in their hearts stems from their personal interpretation of their sect of Christianity and has absolutely nothing to do with REAL Christians that purport the works of Christ (tolerance, love, forgiveness and all that sill stuff).

Please never use those kooks as anything even slightly resembling any vestige of my faith in Christ, for they are destined to burn in hell for their transgressions. The Lord warns us about false prophets, and that is exactly what these retards are.

Please don't confuse my faith with Phelps' fiction.

I know this and you know this but it seems there are so many who don't get the concepts you mentioned. Christianity is my faith as well and these people do it a disservice.

You know what though? It gives me comfort that I don't have to get mad at them because they dishonor our God with their hate and venom. One day they will have to answer for their deeds. I wonder what they will say?

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Originally posted by FollowMeInfantry:
MightyB,

Those quotes you pulled are NOT from Conservative Christians. They are from a lunatic group engrossed in so much stupidity and bigotry and hatred that they have actually warped their pathetic little minds into believing that God supports their gibberish. Using God to express the hatred and bias they have in their hearts stems from their personal interpretation of their sect of Christianity and has absolutely nothing to do with REAL Christians that purport the works of Christ (tolerance, love, forgiveness and all that sill stuff).

Please never use those kooks as anything even slightly resembling any vestige of my faith in Christ, for they are destined to burn in hell for their transgressions. The Lord warns us about false prophets, and that is exactly what these retards are.

Please don't confuse my faith with Phelps' fiction.

That is a pretty typical conservative dodge; "we disavow our lunatics, but no one else gets to".

I am dodging nothing, sir. I have nothing TO dodge, for I've not disparaged you or anyone else on this site. While Conservative-Moderate, I tend to stick to mature conversation grounded in fact and present my opinions respectfully and tactfully.

I do not lump anyone into any group, so when I disavow my relation to a sect you may be assured that I am not excusing anyone - I am simply trying to let you know that I strongly disagree with people like Phelps.

Both sides have their lunatic fringe, the extremists that seem to shout the loudest while saying the least. That is completely contrary to the mannerisms Jesus tells us to have. He tells us to let our voices ring out, but to let our deeds and good works do our talking for us. We are commanded to love everyone, even our enemies, and not to shout on the corners and attempt to make ourselves seem good.

Obviously, Phelps and his bunch have a few key passages missing in their bible, because he sure as hell ain't reading from the same bible as me.

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Originally posted by FollowMeInfantry:

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Originally posted by thorin001:

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Originally posted by FollowMeInfantry:
MightyB,

Those quotes you pulled are NOT from Conservative Christians. They are from a lunatic group engrossed in so much stupidity and bigotry and hatred that they have actually warped their pathetic little minds into believing that God supports their gibberish. Using God to express the hatred and bias they have in their hearts stems from their personal interpretation of their sect of Christianity and has absolutely nothing to do with REAL Christians that purport the works of Christ (tolerance, love, forgiveness and all that sill stuff).

Please never use those kooks as anything even slightly resembling any vestige of my faith in Christ, for they are destined to burn in hell for their transgressions. The Lord warns us about false prophets, and that is exactly what these retards are.

Please don't confuse my faith with Phelps' fiction.

That is a pretty typical conservative dodge; "we disavow our lunatics, but no one else gets to".

I am dodging nothing, sir. I have nothing TO dodge, for I've not disparaged you or anyone else on this site. While Conservative-Moderate, I tend to stick to mature conversation grounded in fact and present my opinions respectfully and tactfully.

I do not lump anyone into any group, so when I disavow my relation to a sect you may be assured that I am not excusing anyone - I am simply trying to let you know that I strongly disagree with people like Phelps.

Both sides have their lunatic fringe, the extremists that seem to shout the loudest while saying the least. That is completely contrary to the mannerisms Jesus tells us to have. He tells us to let our voices ring out, but to let our deeds and good works do our talking for us. We are commanded to love everyone, even our enemies, and not to shout on the corners and attempt to make ourselves seem good.

Obviously, Phelps and his bunch have a few key passages missing in their bible, because he sure as hell ain't reading from the same bible as me.

Unfortunately your arguement is very similar to what many on the conservative side of the asile use. And far too many of them are saying that they have a different set of rules for their side than for others. Sorry if I lumped you in with the hypocrites.

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Originally posted by thorin001:

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Originally posted by FollowMeInfantry:

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Originally posted by thorin001:

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Originally posted by FollowMeInfantry:
MightyB,

Those quotes you pulled are NOT from Conservative Christians. They are from a lunatic group engrossed in so much stupidity and bigotry and hatred that they have actually warped their pathetic little minds into believing that God supports their gibberish. Using God to express the hatred and bias they have in their hearts stems from their personal interpretation of their sect of Christianity and has absolutely nothing to do with REAL Christians that purport the works of Christ (tolerance, love, forgiveness and all that sill stuff).

Please never use those kooks as anything even slightly resembling any vestige of my faith in Christ, for they are destined to burn in hell for their transgressions. The Lord warns us about false prophets, and that is exactly what these retards are.

Please don't confuse my faith with Phelps' fiction.

That is a pretty typical conservative dodge; "we disavow our lunatics, but no one else gets to".

I am dodging nothing, sir. I have nothing TO dodge, for I've not disparaged you or anyone else on this site. While Conservative-Moderate, I tend to stick to mature conversation grounded in fact and present my opinions respectfully and tactfully.

I do not lump anyone into any group, so when I disavow my relation to a sect you may be assured that I am not excusing anyone - I am simply trying to let you know that I strongly disagree with people like Phelps.

Both sides have their lunatic fringe, the extremists that seem to shout the loudest while saying the least. That is completely contrary to the mannerisms Jesus tells us to have. He tells us to let our voices ring out, but to let our deeds and good works do our talking for us. We are commanded to love everyone, even our enemies, and not to shout on the corners and attempt to make ourselves seem good.

Obviously, Phelps and his bunch have a few key passages missing in their bible, because he sure as hell ain't reading from the same bible as me.

Unfortunately your arguement is very similar to what many on the conservative side of the asile use. And far too many of them are saying that they have a different set of rules for their side than for others. Sorry if I lumped you in with the hypocrites.

The apology is appreciated and accepted, though unnecessary.

If you do a search of my posts, you'll see a pattern of advocacy that is neither right or left - though I admit it tends to slant towards the right. I am tired of all the in-fighting. The Conservative v. Liberal, Republican v. Democrat, Straight v. Homosexual and Christian v. Atheist/Agnostic arguments are getting us NO WHERE. In fact, I'll be bold enough and say that this constant bickering is exactly what our politicians want: The more divided we are, the easier it is for them to maintain control and power.

We are all Americans. We may never be of one voice and aptitude, but that's healthy as diversity is a social standard. I've no more interest in 'being you' as you are in 'being me'.

What's more, and more pertinent given the audience in this specific venue, we are mostly veterans! Watching us go at each other like pit bulls trained to fight darkens my heart and occludes the once-bright future I saw in my younger days.

We (everyone) lack balance and tolerance. Just as you purported in your reply to me, you naturally lumped me into this category when you read my statement disclaiming the Phelps clan. Don't we all tend to do that? If you're a Liberal you MUST want my guns! If you're Conservative, you MUST be religious. If you are homosexual, you MUST have an agenda. And etc., and etc.

Painting people into little corners we deem proper is going to take what toll it already hasn't collected on us, the American people. Isolating others as enemies of our personal values is exactly what "they" want, as divisiveness strains collective power. We can't change our political system and make those in office keep their promises and conform to their party's ideals when we can't even quit fighting over the little things.

This election cycle, everyone is screaming for change. Well, folks, you know what? Change begins in the shoes you wear today. We'll never get change when we refuse to change ourselves, stuck in the circle of adhering to one set of values and principles and dismissing anyone not of like mind.

I'll step down from my soap box now, with apologies for the seeming lecture. I just wish we had a more united front and respected each others opinions just as much as we demand they respect ours. That we're incapable of doing just that clearly dictates that change is not in our near future.

I decided to be "one." That is, I've opened my mind. I still have my values and principles, but I decided some time ago to make a concerted effort to accept those I may disagree with; to learn from them, rather than outright dismissing them.

As my old man used to tell me: "If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem."

So you see, Thorin, though we may be aligned opposite politically, I am not your enemy.

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Originally posted by PinkBlossoms:

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Originally posted by MaryResta:

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Originally posted by PinkBlossoms:
... if Obama can stay alive that long. (Don't count her out yet.) I mentioned that concern at the Obama state fair booth and they said they "are aware of" the public's concern for his physical safety. So, there you go. A tidbit for you.

You seem pleased to believe that there is concern for Obama's physical safety. Your apparent glee is disturbing.

Mary, Mary - shame on you. Your statement is almost as desperate as Weps trying to play the race/nationality card when he had nothing left to play.

If you've read any of my posts regarding the Beast and Obama, you would know that I was ecstatic when the Beast lost to him (or anyone for that matter.) Now don't get me wrong, I'd never vote liberal, but I consider Hillary much more of a threat than Obama. So the lesson here is to know who you are talking to when making such outlandish and seemingly desperate statements.

Pinkie,

Ah, you've won my heart.

"Liberal" may be a nasty, dirty word to you, but honey, I think you are one in the making.

Don't give up, babe.

Mary, you wouldn't be the first liberal to wish eternal damnation on me. But I am steadfast and true in my walk ... and cannot be swayed to the dark side. Sorry, hon, you choose the left and I choose the right. I have eternity to think about.

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Originally posted by PinkBlossoms:

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Originally posted by MaryResta:

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Originally posted by PinkBlossoms:

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Originally posted by MaryResta:

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Originally posted by PinkBlossoms:
... if Obama can stay alive that long. (Don't count her out yet.) I mentioned that concern at the Obama state fair booth and they said they "are aware of" the public's concern for his physical safety. So, there you go. A tidbit for you.

You seem pleased to believe that there is concern for Obama's physical safety. Your apparent glee is disturbing.

Mary, Mary - shame on you. Your statement is almost as desperate as Weps trying to play the race/nationality card when he had nothing left to play.

If you've read any of my posts regarding the Beast and Obama, you would know that I was ecstatic when the Beast lost to him (or anyone for that matter.) Now don't get me wrong, I'd never vote liberal, but I consider Hillary much more of a threat than Obama. So the lesson here is to know who you are talking to when making such outlandish and seemingly desperate statements.

Pinkie,

Ah, you've won my heart.

"Liberal" may be a nasty, dirty word to you, but honey, I think you are one in the making.

Don't give up, babe.

Mary, you wouldn't be the first liberal to wish eternal damnation on me. But I am steadfast and true in my walk ... and cannot be swayed to the dark side. Sorry, hon, you choose the left and I choose the right. I have eternity to think about.

Wow, from what she said you took it as a wish of eternal damnation?


mmmmm hmmmm

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Originally posted by Absolut_Nick_USN76:

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Originally posted by PinkBlossoms:

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Originally posted by MaryResta:

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Originally posted by PinkBlossoms:

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Originally posted by MaryResta:

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Originally posted by PinkBlossoms:
... if Obama can stay alive that long. (Don't count her out yet.) I mentioned that concern at the Obama state fair booth and they said they "are aware of" the public's concern for his physical safety. So, there you go. A tidbit for you.

You seem pleased to believe that there is concern for Obama's physical safety. Your apparent glee is disturbing.

Mary, Mary - shame on you. Your statement is almost as desperate as Weps trying to play the race/nationality card when he had nothing left to play.

If you've read any of my posts regarding the Beast and Obama, you would know that I was ecstatic when the Beast lost to him (or anyone for that matter.) Now don't get me wrong, I'd never vote liberal, but I consider Hillary much more of a threat than Obama. So the lesson here is to know who you are talking to when making such outlandish and seemingly desperate statements.

Pinkie,

Ah, you've won my heart.

"Liberal" may be a nasty, dirty word to you, but honey, I think you are one in the making.

Don't give up, babe.

Mary, you wouldn't be the first liberal to wish eternal damnation on me. But I am steadfast and true in my walk ... and cannot be swayed to the dark side. Sorry, hon, you choose the left and I choose the right. I have eternity to think about.

Wow, from what she said you took it as a wish of eternal damnation?


mmmmm hmmmm

Absolutely! Saying I was a liberal in the making would put me on the highway to hell. I would never publicly speak against God and His Word the way liberals do. Are you kidding me? This life is temporary!

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Originally posted by PinkBlossoms:

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Originally posted by Absolut_Nick_USN76:

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Originally posted by PinkBlossoms:

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Originally posted by MaryResta:

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Originally posted by PinkBlossoms:

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Originally posted by MaryResta:

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Originally posted by PinkBlossoms:
... if Obama can stay alive that long. (Don't count her out yet.) I mentioned that concern at the Obama state fair booth and they said they "are aware of" the public's concern for his physical safety. So, there you go. A tidbit for you.

You seem pleased to believe that there is concern for Obama's physical safety. Your apparent glee is disturbing.

Mary, Mary - shame on you. Your statement is almost as desperate as Weps trying to play the race/nationality card when he had nothing left to play.

If you've read any of my posts regarding the Beast and Obama, you would know that I was ecstatic when the Beast lost to him (or anyone for that matter.) Now don't get me wrong, I'd never vote liberal, but I consider Hillary much more of a threat than Obama. So the lesson here is to know who you are talking to when making such outlandish and seemingly desperate statements.

Pinkie,

Ah, you've won my heart.

"Liberal" may be a nasty, dirty word to you, but honey, I think you are one in the making.

Don't give up, babe.

Mary, you wouldn't be the first liberal to wish eternal damnation on me. But I am steadfast and true in my walk ... and cannot be swayed to the dark side. Sorry, hon, you choose the left and I choose the right. I have eternity to think about.

Wow, from what she said you took it as a wish of eternal damnation?


mmmmm hmmmm

Absolutely! Saying I was a liberal in the making would put me on the highway to hell. I would never publicly speak against God and His Word the way liberals do. Are you kidding me? This life is temporary!

Ah so "liberalism" is the highway to hell? Well whatever floats your boat but as for the "speaking against God and his Word" not really a Liberal attribute. There are "Liberals" whom are irreligious or antireligious there are "Conservatives" whom are irreligious and or antireligious. The generalization doesn't fit. Either way I'd say it's a stretch to declare them on the highway to hell. That's God's call not yours. Just an FYI for ya.

Nick

She is much further out then I thought possible. Must be a sorry life being around amongst all of those walking damned.

By her own account she is surrounded by fellow "Conservatives" within her family. Surprising to me. My family is one hell of a mix of Lefties and righties. I'm amazed by the possibility of such ideological homogeneity.


Either way doesn't mean there is NO way to reason with her.



I caught Gandhi on TV last night so I probably am more patient and optimistic than I might ususally be.

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Originally posted by PinkBlossoms:

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Originally posted by Absolut_Nick_USN76:

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Originally posted by PinkBlossoms:

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Originally posted by MaryResta:

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Originally posted by PinkBlossoms:

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Originally posted by MaryResta:

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Originally posted by PinkBlossoms:
... if Obama can stay alive that long. (Don't count her out yet.) I mentioned that concern at the Obama state fair booth and they said they "are aware of" the public's concern for his physical safety. So, there you go. A tidbit for you.

You seem pleased to believe that there is concern for Obama's physical safety. Your apparent glee is disturbing.

Mary, Mary - shame on you. Your statement is almost as desperate as Weps trying to play the race/nationality card when he had nothing left to play.

If you've read any of my posts regarding the Beast and Obama, you would know that I was ecstatic when the Beast lost to him (or anyone for that matter.) Now don't get me wrong, I'd never vote liberal, but I consider Hillary much more of a threat than Obama. So the lesson here is to know who you are talking to when making such outlandish and seemingly desperate statements.

Pinkie,

Ah, you've won my heart.

"Liberal" may be a nasty, dirty word to you, but honey, I think you are one in the making.

Don't give up, babe.

Mary, you wouldn't be the first liberal to wish eternal damnation on me. But I am steadfast and true in my walk ... and cannot be swayed to the dark side. Sorry, hon, you choose the left and I choose the right. I have eternity to think about.

Wow, from what she said you took it as a wish of eternal damnation?


mmmmm hmmmm

Absolutely! Saying I was a liberal in the making would put me on the highway to hell. I would never publicly speak against God and His Word the way liberals do. Are you kidding me? This life is temporary!

Ah so "liberalism" is the highway to hell? Well whatever floats your boat but as for the "speaking against God and his Word" not really a Liberal attribute. There are "Liberals" whom are irreligious or antireligious there are "Conservatives" whom are irreligious and or antireligious. The generalization doesn't fit. Either way I'd say it's a stretch to declare them on the highway to hell. That's God's call not yours. Just an FYI for ya.

Nick, you don't have to read the Bible from cover to cover to know that the liberal agenda is not from God or His Word. That can't be changed. An "abomination" is an abomination no matter what silly liberal tries to change it. And that's just a start. Taking God out of schools and His name out of Christmas ... that's not from God - that's your liberal agenda. Evil. And that's just a start.

God gave us the wisdom and a conscience to discern good from evil and it will take us through this journey ...

Elementary, hon, elementary.

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Nick

She is much further out then I thought possible. Must be a sorry life being around amongst all of those walking damned.

dmuhler - go get your Wheaties! lol

As I said before - possibly on this very thread - I flee from evil ... there's not one significant person in my life that is a liberal - not a one. I'm blessed that my family is strictly conservative and I've used good judgment in selecting friends.

For me it's a matter of self-respect and having FUN in this life with upbeat and wholesome people. Get it now?

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she is surrounded by fellow "Conservatives" within her family.

For her, that is probably the safest place to be. I myself like to mix it up....my dad always told me that God loves the sinners too.

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Nick, you don't have to read the Bible from cover to cover to know that the liberal agenda is not from God or His Word. That can't be changed. An "abomination" is an abomination no matter what silly liberal tries to change it. And that's just a start. Taking God out of schools and His name out of Christmas ... that's not from God - that's your liberal agenda. Evil. And that's just a start.

God gave us the wisdom and a conscience to discern good from evil and it will take us through this journey ...

Elementary, hon, elementary.

That's if you don't fully understand the "Liberal" agenda which isn't as uniform as one might believe. Not to mention that elements to the equally varried "Conservative" agenda conflict with aspects fo God's Word.


"Abomination" like beauty is in the eye of the beholder.


My understanding of the nature of God is that he will be in schools whether he is mentioned or not. Those that wish to seek him out there can do so if the choose but I don't think God would have much a problem with their focus on history, math, reading, science, for a few hours.


God and this country give us the freedom how we can choose to acknowledge him. There are some Christians who don't celebrate Christmas by any name. I don't see how that's evil. It's a God given choice.


All you mentioned is not the end all be all of the "Liberal" agenda. I'm a Liberal I don't care if it's called the Solstice holiday, Xmas, Christmas, Winter Holiday, it's the spirit of the season that matters and the thoughts of Summer coming in 6 months. I have no problem with God in schools, but that should be a student's choice not the faculty's duty.


God gave us the wisdom and conscience to discern good from evil and evil begins in malice toward one's fellow man be they "Liberal" or "Conservative."

Nick, fleeing from those I perceive as evil and not wanting them in my life is not malice - that's silly and far reaching. Filling my life with wholesome people is a form of self preservation, self-respect and goes along with His teachings.

You can sugar coat and defend the liberal agenda all you like. We know it's not from God ... in the three examples I just gave you, and there are many more.

It's all about choices. Just like His Word, that also doesn't change.

Good day!

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Originally posted by PinkBlossoms:
Nick, fleeing from those I perceive as evil and not wanting them in my life is not malice - that's silly and far reaching. Filling my life with wholesome people is a form of self preservation, self-respect and goes along with His teachings.

Wasn't commenting on you personally but since we've gone there, regarding "Liberals" with such contempt, knowing them solely by stereotype and exageration is arguably malice. "Liberals" are God's children. As a person of faith ,that you should know.

I don't see how it fits into God's word to be so quick to regard so many of his children with unwaivering animosity.

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Originally posted by PinkBlossoms:

You can sugar coat and defend the liberal agenda all you like. We know it's not from God ... in the three examples I just gave you, and there are many more.

Not a question of "sugarcoating" its a matter of opeing your eyes to the reality that your perpective on "Liberalism" is limited by stereotypes and prejudices. Furthermore only GOD can know and can judge whether or not it fits his designs.

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Originally posted by PinkBlossoms:
It's all about choices. Just like His Word, that also doesn't change.

Good day!

His word has been translated and retranslated and retranslated so many times that it has changed but the core of his word is love and acceptance of all his children, that's an interpretation few would dispute, but many are quick to conveniently forget.

Have a good one.

Nick, the fact that you've come up with all kinds of reasons, excuses and sugar coatings to defend the liberal agenda and exclude God's Word means that your conscience is still working/battling. That's a good thing.

Just remember you can't be with Him and against Him at the same time. I wish you a long enough life to truly see this. Peace be with you.

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Originally posted by PinkBlossoms:
Nick, the fact that you've come up with all kinds of reasons, excuses and sugar coatings to defend the liberal agenda and exclude God's Word means that your conscience is still working/battling. That's a good thing.

That's not excuses nor sugar coatings but explanaitions as to what the "Liberal" agenda (if there really is one collectively) is truly about. In the hopes you might realize that it is more than what you've been lead to believe.

But you're right my conscience is working/battling and that is a good thing. I hope one day you are able to see past the stereotypes.

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Just remember you can't be with Him and against Him at the same time.

You'd be surprised. Different people are with him in different ways. Can't explain it better than that.

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I wish you a long enough life to truly see this. Peace be with you.

And to you as well.