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Originally posted by WepsFP:
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More dung from the "right". Get over yourself. You ain't all that!!!!

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Originally posted by WepsFP:

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Originally posted by 2494906:
Warning: Conservative here....

If first begin to notice this trend while in college. I remember a PoliSci class we had. On the first day, the professor asked about 40 of us students if we were optimistic or pessimistic. Only three of us raised our hands that we were optimistic. As the semester progressed, it became pretty obvious thru class room discussions who was on what side of the political aisle.

I couldn't help but wonder at that point.... If someone is sitting in a college class room, then I think we can make some basic assumptions: 1.) No one is actively trying to harm them. 2.) They probably have a roof over their head. 3.) They have some means of transportation. 4.) They probably ate at some point during the day. 5.) They most likely have some measure of expendable income. 6.) They have some hope for the future. (This was a night class at a local university.)

If all this is true, then how can you be anything other than optimistic?? I understand that we may not have EVERYTHING in life we might want, but if this is true, then it seems to me that you could be accidentally happy!

Also, ever seen that bumper sticker "If you aren't angry, then you aren't paying attention."? Perfect fit! It seems that not only are they miserable and angry, they won't rest until the rest of us are also....

I submit to you that if you are conservative and optimistic, then you haven't been paying attention to the state of the nation. One only need to open their eyes and see that things are not going as well as they could be in this country.

If your college classes occurred at any point during the current adminstration, then I can certainly understand the pessimism. The thinking folks understood what was ahead, and frankly, knew that the current administration would be in office for some period of time and that their direction for this country would be a disaster. The current state of affairs and the current polling data confirms that.

I would lay dollar to donuts that if that survey were conducted with the prospect of Obama being President and the hope that he will return this country to prosperity and it's world leadership position, those pessimists would be more optimistic.

Time to remove the blinders and visit the real world not your little myopic one. Just because a single indvidual seems to be doing well does not mean the majority are. Again, recent polling data indicates the majority of Americans beleive the country is on the wrong track.

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One correction, sir:

REAL Christians don't judge - especially when it comes to things such as clothing. Jesus and His Father warn us throughout scripture that to judge another is to practice narcissism, and that we will be judged in the same manner we judge others.

SOME so-called Christians ignore this part of scripture or outright and erroneously justify it in order to paint and label people. This is usually a prodigy of a low self esteem or attempting to cover your own sins and shortcomings by pointing at another and comparing the "level" of their faults as lesser than those of their target. This is completely contradictory to almost all theological teachings. It is the same argument that the KKK uses to justify their persecution of anyone that doesn't look like them or "worship" like them (in quotes because you can't truly worship a loving God with a vengeful heart).

All the right leaning Christians I personally know reserve the right of judgment for God alone, choosing to practice love and tolerance rather than bigotry and bias. Please don't assume that the loudest of the minority represents the quiet, still voice of love and tolerance the majority choose to practice. We try and emulate Jesus: Allowing each his or her own free will and hating the sin but loving the sinner.

That is the way of Christianity.

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Originally posted by MightyB:

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One correction, sir:

REAL Christians don't judge - especially when it comes to things such as clothing. Jesus and His Father warn us throughout scripture that to judge another is to practice narcissism, and that we will be judged in the same manner we judge others.

SOME so-called Christians ignore this part of scripture or outright and erroneously justify it in order to paint and label people. This is usually a prodigy of a low self esteem or attempting to cover your own sins and shortcomings by pointing at another and comparing the "level" of their faults as lesser than those of their target. This is completely contradictory to almost all theological teachings. It is the same argument that the KKK uses to justify their persecution of anyone that doesn't look like them or "worship" like them (in quotes because you can't truly worship a loving God with a vengeful heart).

All the right leaning Christians I personally know reserve the right of judgment for God alone, choosing to practice love and tolerance rather than bigotry and bias. Please don't assume that the loudest of the minority represents the quiet, still voice of love and tolerance the majority choose to practice. We try and emulate Jesus: Allowing each his or her own free will and hating the sin but loving the sinner.

That is the way of Christianity.

This is a very enlightening post and expresses my sentiments exactly. God help me for I have stated before, I have some conservative views and perhaps more liberal views.

One thing about me that is not conservative is the fact that I'm not rigid in my views. I could very well be wrong and when I am, I admit it. I don't and won't stand by my opinions rather right or wrong. If proven wrong, I have to rethink my position. The average conservative I've seen simply refuse to do this.

In my personal life I awake each day with a sense of joy. This has nothing at all to do with any political situation. This has to do with the fact I have a loving wife who's constant smile warms my heart.

I maintain an attitude of gratitude for God has brought me through hell and back in a lot of occasions. I survived growing up in the streets without a family, I was one of the fortunate ones who made it back to the world from South East Asia, I survived my own stupidity and addictions, and now God brought me through a dual transplant and I'm feeling great a couple of months later. I may lean liberal, but I'm so happy each and every day to be alive.

With all of that going for me, I still pay attention to the fate of the world. Look at how fragile the world we live in is. One nuclear incident can change the face of this entire planet.

I see my own countrymen heing devisive over issues which we should have settled eons ago. I see my fellow countrymen play the blame game for every issue they disagree on. We blame our fellowman for things that are not true and we never bother to investigate whether it is or not. We just believe the worst.

We step over the homeless and feel nothing as we claim christianity, when our Lord and Savior informed us that "as we do unto the least of these our bretheren, so you do unto me." But we swear that we are Christians and fight to make sure the 10 Commandments, which we don't know by the way, remains on a building.

I can honestly say that my wife and I are known to bring a smile to the face of those we meet and associate with. We are happy people. But if you ask me about the state of the world, or even this country, I have to say it as I see it;
It Sucks! Do I have faith in any politician to make it better? NO! Do I have faith in this world and it's system of things? Again, NO! I have faith in my God who gives me hope and strength from day to day.

Worship your ideology if you must and think yourself better because of it. But in the end, what comfort will it give you? Really, will McCain or Obama do anything to ease a troubled spirit? And if you're saying that conservatives don't ever have a troubled spirit, then you lie like a rug.

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Originally posted by MightyB:

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One correction, sir:

REAL Christians don't judge - especially when it comes to things such as clothing. Jesus and His Father warn us throughout scripture that to judge another is to practice narcissism, and that we will be judged in the same manner we judge others.

SOME so-called Christians ignore this part of scripture or outright and erroneously justify it in order to paint and label people. This is usually a prodigy of a low self esteem or attempting to cover your own sins and shortcomings by pointing at another and comparing the "level" of their faults as lesser than those of their target. This is completely contradictory to almost all theological teachings. It is the same argument that the KKK uses to justify their persecution of anyone that doesn't look like them or "worship" like them (in quotes because you can't truly worship a loving God with a vengeful heart).

All the right leaning Christians I personally know reserve the right of judgment for God alone, choosing to practice love and tolerance rather than bigotry and bias. Please don't assume that the loudest of the minority represents the quiet, still voice of love and tolerance the majority choose to practice. We try and emulate Jesus: Allowing each his or her own free will and hating the sin but loving the sinner.

That is the way of Christianity.

This is a very enlightening post and expresses my sentiments exactly. God help me for I have stated before, I have some conservative views and perhaps more liberal views.

One thing about me that is not conservative is the fact that I'm not rigid in my views. I could very well be wrong and when I am, I admit it. I don't and won't stand by my opinions rather right or wrong. If proven wrong, I have to rethink my position. The average conservative I've seen simply refuse to do this.

In my personal life I awake each day with a sense of joy. This has nothing at all to do with any political situation. This has to do with the fact I have a loving wife who's constant smile warms my heart.

I maintain an attitude of gratitude for God has brought me through hell and back in a lot of occasions. I survived growing up in the streets without a family, I was one of the fortunate ones who made it back to the world from South East Asia, I survived my own stupidity and addictions, and now God brought me through a dual transplant and I'm feeling great a couple of months later. I may lean liberal, but I'm so happy each and every day to be alive.

With all of that going for me, I still pay attention to the fate of the world. Look at how fragile the world we live in is. One nuclear incident can change the face of this entire planet.

I see my own countrymen heing devisive over issues which we should have settled eons ago. I see my fellow countrymen play the blame game for every issue they disagree on. We blame our fellowman for things that are not true and we never bother to investigate whether it is or not. We just believe the worst.

We step over the homeless and feel nothing as we claim christianity, when our Lord and Savior informed us that "as we do unto the least of these our bretheren, so you do unto me." But we swear that we are Christians and fight to make sure the 10 Commandments, which we don't know by the way, remains on a building.

I can honestly say that my wife and I are known to bring a smile to the face of those we meet and associate with. We are happy people. But if you ask me about the state of the world, or even this country, I have to say it as I see it;
It Sucks! Do I have faith in any politician to make it better? NO! Do I have faith in this world and it's system of things? Again, NO! I have faith in my God who gives me hope and strength from day to day.

Worship your ideology if you must and think yourself better because of it. But in the end, what comfort will it give you? Really, will McCain or Obama do anything to ease a troubled spirit? And if you're saying that conservatives don't ever have a troubled spirit, then you lie like a rug.

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Originally posted by NOVAMarine:

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Originally posted by WepsFP:

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Originally posted by 2494906:
Warning: Conservative here....

If first begin to notice this trend while in college. I remember a PoliSci class we had. On the first day, the professor asked about 40 of us students if we were optimistic or pessimistic. Only three of us raised our hands that we were optimistic. As the semester progressed, it became pretty obvious thru class room discussions who was on what side of the political aisle.

I couldn't help but wonder at that point.... If someone is sitting in a college class room, then I think we can make some basic assumptions: 1.) No one is actively trying to harm them. 2.) They probably have a roof over their head. 3.) They have some means of transportation. 4.) They probably ate at some point during the day. 5.) They most likely have some measure of expendable income. 6.) They have some hope for the future. (This was a night class at a local university.)

If all this is true, then how can you be anything other than optimistic?? I understand that we may not have EVERYTHING in life we might want, but if this is true, then it seems to me that you could be accidentally happy!

Also, ever seen that bumper sticker "If you aren't angry, then you aren't paying attention."? Perfect fit! It seems that not only are they miserable and angry, they won't rest until the rest of us are also....

I submit to you that if you are conservative and optimistic, then you haven't been paying attention to the state of the nation. One only need to open their eyes and see that things are not going as well as they could be in this country.

If your college classes occurred at any point during the current adminstration, then I can certainly understand the pessimism. The thinking folks understood what was ahead, and frankly, knew that the current administration would be in office for some period of time and that their direction for this country would be a disaster. The current state of affairs and the current polling data confirms that.

I would lay dollar to donuts that if that survey were conducted with the prospect of Obama being President and the hope that he will return this country to prosperity and it's world leadership position, those pessimists would be more optimistic.

Time to remove the blinders and visit the real world not your little myopic one. Just because a single indvidual seems to be doing well does not mean the majority are. Again, recent polling data indicates the majority of Americans beleive the country is on the wrong track.

COMMENT: Concur with Weps' view. I'm very much a conservative, have been all of my life -- no sudden epiphany that transformed me from a liberal to seeing things politically best in a conservative light. But these past nearly eight years have been fraught with arrogance, mismanagement, myopia, and a defensive mindset that has resulted in the most divisive political state of mind in this country since the worst days of the Vietnam era. Mr. Bush has been extraordinarily disappointing, and mainstream Americans have caught up to the realization that this administration has not served them well. By any reasonable set of metrics, liberal or conservative, Republican or Democrat, this administration has failed time and again in all major policy areas. This nation needs a "makeover."

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Originally posted by Mom2APAJ:
An interesting tidbit from today's edition of the Federalist Patriot...

Are conservatives harder workers that feel happier, have closer families, take fewer drugs, give more generously, value honesty more, are less materialistic and envious, whine less and even hug their children more than liberals? According to research by Peter Schweizer, a research fellow at Stanford University and the Hoover Institution, the answer is a resounding yes. We are the good guys
In his new book Makers and Takers, Schweizer demonstrates through new data and research that the common liberal stereotype painting conservatives as self-centered, angry, cheating, money-grubbing authoritarians are myth. In fact, Schweizer claims that these negative traits more often apply to liberals, and that his book exposes how: “Liberals are more self-centered than conservatives. Conservatives are more generous and charitable than liberals. Liberals are more envious and less hardworking than conservatives. Conservatives value truth more than liberals, and are less prone to cheating and lying. Liberals are more angry than conservatives. Conservatives are actually more knowledgeable than liberals. Liberals are more dissatisfied and unhappy than conservatives.” Certainly, Schweizer has discovered nothing we didn’t already know, but this is one book we will be adding to our summer reading list.

It was something we conservatives knew all along...

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Originally posted by dmuhler:


Thanks mom for another dumb $%% post. Hoover Institute....that is a laugh.

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Originally posted by Opfor6:

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Originally posted by dmuhler:


Thanks mom for another dumb $%% post. Hoover Institute....that is a laugh.

Aw don't be so grumpy. It's a nice day.

I always thought of Stanford University as one of our best Universities. I wonder how they got 42 Nobel prizes?

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Originally posted by dmuhler:

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Originally posted by Opfor6:

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Originally posted by dmuhler:


Thanks mom for another dumb $%% post. Hoover Institute....that is a laugh.

Aw don't be so grumpy. It's a nice day.

I always thought of Stanford University as one of our best Universities. I wonder how they got 42 Nobel prizes?

I never said anything about Stanford. It is the idiots at the Hoover Institute. Hoover ....got it?

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Originally posted by Cider33Alpha:
Whatever.

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Originally posted by Opfor6:

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Originally posted by dmuhler:

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Originally posted by Opfor6:

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Originally posted by dmuhler:


Thanks mom for another dumb $%% post. Hoover Institute....that is a laugh.

Aw don't be so grumpy. It's a nice day.

I always thought of Stanford University as one of our best Universities. I wonder how they got 42 Nobel prizes?

I never said anything about Stanford. It is the idiots at the Hoover Institute. Hoover ....got it?

Peter Schweizer, a research fellow at Stanford University and the Hoover Institution

Of course I do. I'm still wondering about you.

And you really have to do something with all that pent up anger Dave. You are just taking years off of your life.

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Conservative or Liberal, ideologies aside, our purpose is to help our neighbor whether we love them or hate them.

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Originally posted by 2494906:
My happiness and optimism is internal. It isn't dependent on external circumstances. I think that's what makes the difference. Liberals tend to let external circumstances dictate their internal emotions.

I'm not willing to surrender that to someone else. I OWN those emotions and feelings; not someone else. There are very few people on this planet who can affect my happiness. It is an extremely exclusive club.

And now that you mention it... I received my degree in Jan 2001 (had to go look at the diploma!). Once again, proving (or at least suggesting) that happiness for most liberals has nothing to do with circumstances. They just tend to be angry all the time.

I'm not willing to join them...

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Originally posted by Opfor6:

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Originally posted by WepsFP:
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More dung from the "right". Get over yourself. You ain't all that!!!!

Do I sense some envy and anger?

And don't forget to hug your children today.

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Originally posted by dmuhler:

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Originally posted by Mom2APAJ:
An interesting tidbit from today's edition of the Federalist Patriot...

Are conservatives harder workers that feel happier, have closer families, take fewer drugs, give more generously, value honesty more, are less materialistic and envious, whine less and even hug their children more than liberals? According to research by Peter Schweizer, a research fellow at Stanford University and the Hoover Institution, the answer is a resounding yes. We are the good guys
In his new book Makers and Takers, Schweizer demonstrates through new data and research that the common liberal stereotype painting conservatives as self-centered, angry, cheating, money-grubbing authoritarians are myth. In fact, Schweizer claims that these negative traits more often apply to liberals, and that his book exposes how: “Liberals are more self-centered than conservatives. Conservatives are more generous and charitable than liberals. Liberals are more envious and less hardworking than conservatives. Conservatives value truth more than liberals, and are less prone to cheating and lying. Liberals are more angry than conservatives. Conservatives are actually more knowledgeable than liberals. Liberals are more dissatisfied and unhappy than conservatives.” Certainly, Schweizer has discovered nothing we didn’t already know, but this is one book we will be adding to our summer reading list.

It was something we conservatives knew all along...

Thanks mom for another dumb $%% post. Hoover Institute....that is a laugh.

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Originally posted by Mom2APAJ:

According to research by Peter Schweizer...

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Originally posted by biggatorsc:

Does somebody need a doobie?

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Originally posted by biggatorsc:
Does somebody need a doobie?

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Originally posted by The_Bonesaw:

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Originally posted by biggatorsc:

Does somebody need a doobie?

Oh, man, I wish... it would go a long way towards bringing the two sides together.

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Originally posted by The_Bonesaw:

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Originally posted by biggatorsc:

Does somebody need a doobie?

Oh, man, I wish... it would go a long way towards bringing the two sides together.

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Originally posted by biggatorsc:
After 9/11 we were kinda' like this:

IN AMERICA by The Charlie Daniels Band

Well the eagle's been flying slow and the flag's been flying low
And a lot of people are saying that America's fixing to fall
But speaking just for me and some people from Tennessee
We got a thing or two to tell you all
This lady may have stumbled but she ain't never fell
And if the Russians don't believe that they can all go straight to hell
We're gonna put her feet back on the path of righteousness
And then God bless America again

And you never did think that it ever would happen again
In America, did you?
You never did think that we'd ever get together again
Well we damn sure fooled you
We're walking real proud and we're talking real loud again in America
You never did think that it ever would happen again

From the sound up in Long Island out to San Francisco Bay
And ev'ry thing that's in between them is our home
And we may have done a little bit of fighting amongst ourselves
But you outside people best leave us alone
Cause we'll all stick together and you can take that to the bank
That's the cowboys and the hippies and the rebels and the yanks
You just go and lay your head on a Pittsburgh Steeler fan
And I think you're gonna finally understand

And you never did think that it ever would happen again
In America, did you?
You never did think that we'd ever get together again
Well we damn sure fooled you
We're walking real proud and we're talking real loud again in America
You never did think that it ever would happen again

Can we get there again?

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Originally posted by biggatorsc:
FMI, thanks Bro.....don't be fooled by my Confederate flag, I'm an American first, always will be, the Confederacy is part of me roots thats all.

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Originally posted by 2494906:
But that's exactly my point! My happiness is determined by who is or who is not in office. It is determined by what car I drive. It isn't determined by the alignment of the moon or the stars! Of if my neighbors favorite color is red, blue or green.

My happiness and optimism is internal. It isn't dependent on external circumstances. I think that's what makes the difference. Liberals tend to let external circumstances dictate their internal emotions.

I'm not willing to surrender that to someone else. I OWN those emotions and feelings; not someone else. There are very few people on this planet who can affect my happiness. It is an extremely exclusive club.

And now that you mention it... I received my degree in Jan 2001 (had to go look at the diploma!). Once again, proving (or at least suggesting) that happiness for most liberals has nothing to do with circumstances. They just tend to be angry all the time.

I'm not willing to join them...

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Originally posted by Mom2APAJ:

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Originally posted by dmuhler:

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Originally posted by Mom2APAJ:
An interesting tidbit from today's edition of the Federalist Patriot...

Are conservatives harder workers that feel happier, have closer families, take fewer drugs, give more generously, value honesty more, are less materialistic and envious, whine less and even hug their children more than liberals? According to research by Peter Schweizer, a research fellow at Stanford University and the Hoover Institution, the answer is a resounding yes. We are the good guys
In his new book Makers and Takers, Schweizer demonstrates through new data and research that the common liberal stereotype painting conservatives as self-centered, angry, cheating, money-grubbing authoritarians are myth. In fact, Schweizer claims that these negative traits more often apply to liberals, and that his book exposes how: “Liberals are more self-centered than conservatives. Conservatives are more generous and charitable than liberals. Liberals are more envious and less hardworking than conservatives. Conservatives value truth more than liberals, and are less prone to cheating and lying. Liberals are more angry than conservatives. Conservatives are actually more knowledgeable than liberals. Liberals are more dissatisfied and unhappy than conservatives.” Certainly, Schweizer has discovered nothing we didn’t already know, but this is one book we will be adding to our summer reading list.

It was something we conservatives knew all along...

Thanks mom for another dumb $%% post. Hoover Institute....that is a laugh.

No Dave, thank you! ...proving the point of the article exactly... the frustrated liberal attacks the poster when they cannot controvert the facts of the article or the research...
It just takes too much emotional energy to have that much anger inside... doctors have medicine to help control those anger issues.