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I have heard a lot of people complain about the Chinese stealing intellectual property. I would say that is what this is all about. I have seen companies go broke over employees downloading music on servers before the employers knew what was happening. Copyright law can break you real fast, civil and criminal. This debate has been raging since 1999, and the fact remains that those who create literary, photographic, musical works, own them upon creation and have a right to control them for their lifetime and beyond. To me, it is no different than going into a store and shoplifting candy, cigarettes, or lingere. We have a right to our opinion, and to have our chicken done right, but that is about it. I don't have a right to your wife, because I can, no more than you have a right to my picture, unless it is the one from the police line-up.
Now, some say that the internet, or cyberspace is owned by all, but that is a fallacious arguement because all have not borne the cost of cabling, server population, service to customers, and research. I am not saying that this is the reason for military.com policy, but I would suspect that a 250,000 fine, and whatever a lawyer can get per occurence, for copyright infringement, would be a good motivational factor for adjusting some policies. Whatever the outcome, military.com has been an enjoyable experience for me, I have met many good folks I am sure, and many minds that reflect that goodness of character, that most would wish to see in a mirror. All in all, to me, it is a question of philosophy, and that we study way too little, along with morality and justce. The exchange of ideas is ownership free, or is it? What we post here becomes the property of military.com does it not? I will not question the motivations of this decision, until I have considered the risk involved, should I myself allow another to engage in activities that may leave me liable to punitive and civil damages for said activities. These debates and discussions have gone on for years, now it is time, for an ice cold beer..... and a decision from the court. |
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Back at ya G.H. |
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I sent again. "Never try to teach a pig to sing; It wastes your time and annoys the pig." - Heinlein |
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That is soooo backwards. You take someone's image and put it your site and then post it, it is the same as posting it as your own. When you post an image as a link to their site, you are posting their image and acknowledging it is their image. All the no link and no image ideas are false, you are encouraging stealing rather than giving proper credit to the producer of the work or image. I think the others all had it right, this is about trying to keep members only looking and linking to this site, so monster gets the money and not some on ther site and their ads. Forget the dog, Beware of Owner |
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Sorry, no. I could be incorrect, and when they sort everything out it will not be allowed either. A couple of things- First, it does not alert admins somewhere that there are links to their site, or that someone is commercially using their intellectual property. Second,the member so posting an image is still subject to laws concerning intellectual property. This takes the main onus off of Mil.com, IMO. "Never try to teach a pig to sing; It wastes your time and annoys the pig." - Heinlein |
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Well while you are correct, i did not even have to look to know you are a recent member. Some of us recall pre monster. Many said it would go down hill, and yes it has. I remember when we would have 20 + members online at almost any time, and more often than not 40. now we have 5 I guess they make their money off the areas that are not the forums Forget the dog, Beware of Owner |
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How many individual forums did mil.com start with? There are currently 33 member(s) and 108 guest(s) on the forums. Not much different than any Middle of a CONUS night on here. "Never try to teach a pig to sing; It wastes your time and annoys the pig." - Heinlein |
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well you can still cut an paste an entire article without citing the source, you just can't post the headline and intro and the link. They are protecting copyright issues. hey wait... Forget the dog, Beware of Owner |
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I think the worst part is that they are lying about it. Sadder is that most, but not all of the Mods are lying with them. Forget the dog, Beware of Owner |
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Heres a good link before the change becomes official <Too late.> This message has been edited. Last edited by: USAF_76_2_80, |
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Good thing I wear high boots, and I am holding my arm in the air to save my watch. Forget the dog, Beware of Owner |
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That is crap. Believe whatever. It basically says in the TOS that they can do as they please, and if you don't like it, you choices are: Stop using Military Advantage's site. "Never try to teach a pig to sing; It wastes your time and annoys the pig." - Heinlein |
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I was not talking about the entire forum, I was talking about just P/CP. So now you are sying that the enire forum now has what P/CP alone used to have but at the same time try to deny that member activity has dropped? Then again unless you also had a screen name change, I have going on 4 years of history here on you. Forget the dog, Beware of Owner |
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Fine. What you just did is calling out a Mod. You also decided to personally insult me. You are suspended until you ask for reinstatement. I am forwarding this for admin review. "Never try to teach a pig to sing; It wastes your time and annoys the pig." - Heinlein |
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called you out? NO
Insulted you? Only if the truth hurts. Ask for reinstatement? Yea, right. 8 years and done. will miss a few of you |
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Well if your second account lasts... Can you email me on this, I'm just curious why you think someone is lying to you here or why you think this is unfair or NOT happening on other websites. I'm checking this thread and I am not seeing any dishonesty or lying going on here. I also don't think this rule change is unique to Military.com. |
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Hah, you just reminded me of the TOE-ites thread from 'In The News'. Magforce and Dmuhler were at it hammer and tongs on that one, and I really thought it would shake things up a little when Dave was made a mod, but he went a little 'native', Al Lock style. That's by the by, though. I presume Milvets is more about military folk posting, and the occasional cheerleader. Does Fantastique know about it? (actually, did she serve? I can never quite remember) |
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Proud to be a Christian, gun owning, American veteran and redneck. God bless the USA and our vets! ------------------  Proud Member ------------------  |
Hang on, folks, and let's take a collective deep breath. I'll address individual posts I've saved as thoughts I'd like to expound upon, but this post is for everyone.
It's not as bad as it sounds. There is a difference between hotlinks ( This is a hotlink to this page of this thread) and posting a link as "not hot." "http://forums.military.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/409192893/m/7670097991001/p/9" Same exact link that takes you to the same exact place, but the latter has quotes so it doesn't embed. When you click on a hotlink, it tells that site's servers that you're coming from Military.com. <-- Notice that didn't embed, as I omitted the www. When site traffic is increased, that is a good thing. Traffic = sponsor exposure = revenue. The problem is that hotlinking usually bypasses the main page where the majority of the sponsors are. The legal issue at hand is whether or not it is litigious to hold a supporting or hosting site culpable for bypassing the main pages, thus reducing certain sponsor exposure while increasing others. So if Site A is directing traffic to Site B where Sponsor C and D are competing for business, Sponsor D can call Site B to demand that Site A stop linking. This is a legal precedence being argued, just as bit torrent and P2P sites were once debated. Calm down, let things settle, and give it a chance before you go running away. We're all here for the people. Not for the site, but for the people. I love this place, because it feels like being back in the military, back home, back with my brothers and sisters in Arms. SeaWitch, PeteCDR, MightyB, USAF and FPM, Bleah... All these people remind me that I belong to something bigger. I am a veteran. Nothing can ever take that away from me. That means that every man and woman that ever served in the Army, the Navy, the Marines, the Air Force, the Coast Guard -- active duty, National Guard, Reserves or Auxiliary -- are me, and I am them. I'm not about to walk away from my brothers and sisters just because I now have to use opening and closing quotes in a URL. Think about it, people. Just think about it. It's not that there is no God or that He isn't listening. You're probably just asking the wrong questions. |
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Proud to be a Christian, gun owning, American veteran and redneck. God bless the USA and our vets! ------------------ Proud Member ------------------ |
We are pleased to have you here! I have always enjoyed your posts. Be assured, the proverbial left and right hands are in contact and agreement. My post above this one does explain some of it, but ErichG2's explanation on page 5 is much more elaborate. I'm new myself, so I understand that you came here with one expectation and now the parameters are changing. I did the same. But let's give it some time, hooah? It's not that there is no God or that He isn't listening. You're probably just asking the wrong questions. |
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After being broken down by some of the Mods so my pea brain brain could understand what is going on.It doesnt seem to be that big of a deal.I just read every post on all 9 pages and that took awhile.The big mistake alot on here make is not reading all of a topic.They read the topic and a couple of post on the subject and wade on in.If I had only read the first and last page then I would have come away with the same thought as some of the others.I have only posted one hot link on here and the site done that,not me.Now I know how it happened.Anyway,to me the change aint no big deal.
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Thanks, pken, I never heard of that board before, but I just joined. Many familiar faces ... yeaa! However, I'm not jumping this ship ... I can sail on both, eh?  "Anything easy ain't worth a damn." Woody Hayes (RIP) |
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I agree Locutisprime. This sounds fishy right near the finish of a race to the white house. I have always felt this board biased towards any that are not for the Republican Candidate. This is suppose to be a free nation with freedom of speech but this board has all but turned that concept on it's head. There are PLENTY of other boards out there. |
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I enjoy coming here and I really have come to respect many of the folks on here.
To me there are other things that should be changed and how the changes are implemented could be done differently. Things that could be changed...instead of receiving an email for every single post that is posted and flooding an inbox of someone who has selected an immediate notification...have only one email sent with a link in it to go to the site itself. A quick reply area at the bottom of a page of a thread would be nice to. If there is an a change that needs to be made, do a "dry" run through for a month or so before it becomes mandatory. That way y'all can see if its going to work and what the two sides can come to to help make it work. If you are going to not allowe links to be hyperlinked then you dont need to have an "allowed" list either....it can come back to backfire. In a previous post it said that the software this board runs on is 10 years old. Oh well. This is only my opinion. On that note, I think I am going to step back and take a break from things on here. |
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uhhh, Jack, my tag proves otherwise. *on edit: Perhaps there are simply more rightsided military folks out there. I think Gore's desperate attempt to not allow the mailed in military votes in 2000 proved that. He knew where their votes stood.  "Anything easy ain't worth a damn." Woody Hayes (RIP) |
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Proud to be a Christian, gun owning, American veteran and redneck. God bless the USA and our vets! ------------------ Proud Member ------------------ |
Take your tin foil off, shiny side out or not. There is no right wing conspiracy to silence the masses here that have, you know, just so much to do with actually putting someone in the White House, appointing the seats of the Senate and Congress, and influencing the JCOS. That's just silly. How in the hell does anyone associate no hotlinks with a grand conspiracy to thwart the Democratic ticket?  It's not that there is no God or that He isn't listening. You're probably just asking the wrong questions. |
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Bye. |
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Hot Topics Quickly and Expertly Extinguished On Demand Since October 2000 ------------------ Proud Member ------------------  |
There are quite a few members, long-time standing (plank-owners as one can say), as well as the "Newer Generation", that make this site as interesting and unique as all get out.
These changes that have been touted are, in all probability, are a result, of meeting the demands set determined by the site owners, in order to meet whatever needs necessary to make this site more successful. I am not an Administrator; subsequently, can't say for sure. except, since Rob (RoboCop) and 'da gang' have attempted to explain the reasoning(s) thereof...it's prudent to say..."That's explaination enough". I've been on this site since October of 2000, having come onboard with "The Few.com", when this site had at least half the forums, far fewer Moderators/Admins, and just the TOS as a primary guideline for everyone. There have been changes implemented over the course of these years...some benefical, some not. By far the largest change was when 'Monster.com' came here...with mixed feelings that STILL remain to this day. Some members have accepted these changes, some have not...the jury is still deliberating, and will continue to do so. It has abeen stressed by many to PLEASE BACK AND BE PATIENT...and see how these 'changes' will affect us all here. "Jumping ship" is not the answer. These changes may not be to some member's liking, no one knows. Some of the membership may benefit, some will not...time will tell. For now...being patient and allowing these changes to be implemented...and observing the results is highly suggested. This message has been edited. Last edited by: Hoffy1951, |
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Hung my tin pot up the day I left the Corps. As for what is going on here now and the explanations tendered? I too have watched over the last three days. I have watched and read everything from what the mods have had to say, to what those others who have come in to either question or concur with what has been said and done. But no one has addressed the obvious. While discussions and directions have been given and discussed on how to bypass or circumvent the new mil.com POS/TOS by everyone from regular members to mods, nothing has been said about the honesty or lack their of in what is being represented as the new TOS or the open defiance of it by some, or why it all came suddenly down to begin with. Challenges were put out there early by the mods after the new policy was stated, directing anyone to notify the mods via the alert system, when people transgressed the no hot linking policy. Then when hot links to both articles and proprietary images have been and were established in defiance in some threads and the mods were alerted? Nothing happened. No action taken aside from the snide commenting of the OP and their crew to laugh in the face of those who just don't get the reality that a few seem to be clued in on. Then there has been the simple things that have curiously gone awry. I have asked a mod twice now to simply take down my unit patch that I had only recently succeeded in having included on my profile. Somehow that request has been lost in translation and my unit patch remains, even though I have asked that it be removed. I have already taken down my avatar on my own, and would do the same with my unit patch ans slogan if I had the ability to, but I don't. Seeing as how both were hot linked to images that I do not "own" the image is my opinion, that all images that are as described by the new TOS are/were/remain in violation of the TOS as now published. As do those of anyone who has images hot linked outside of this forum, or to images that "they do not own." Funny thing about rules, when you try to comply with them? You always find those who seem to be able to just ignore them and do as they please. AS for me? I am leaving the forum friends. Just waiting to insure that some final house keeping is taken care of on my account, before closing it all down and moving on. I have other things of greater interest to me, than staying here and bumping heads with things that I consider to be both ill conceived and even worse concealed. Whatever the motivations, this too will pass as they say, but it will not reconcile or repair the damage already done. For those interested in keeping in touch, I can be contacted at locutisprime@comcast.net |
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Infantry, This is an excellent explanation, and makes things much clearer to me. I don't personally happen to believe that this is all a grand conspiracy to silence any constituency, . . . I felt it was what you just outlined, but was unable to explain or convey to others. I think what made it most difficult for some, was that we have really been on a roll around here with the elections coming and all . . . so frankly, its just the timing that stinks, IMHO, not the mission. Being a mod right now much certainly be akin to being a kindergarten teacher on the first day of school!!  |
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