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Originally posted by Tim Buck II:
U.S.MilVets.com has no such rules. Many folks will go there......is that the mission?

Yes, it is a great place....a recent start up......but growing fast.

Ha, I just looked over there and they've been signing up new member's like crazy.

Folks are linking already! Who'd of thunk!

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Originally posted by hooah71:
We lost a lot of fine members the last time this stunt was pulled just "in the news" section. Are the powers that be trying to remove what's left of the fine members?

If I am understanding the situation correctly, they don't have a choice, unless they want to be sued???

That explanation seems nothing more than an excuse. There are major forums all over the web that allow links.

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Originally posted by The_Bonesaw:
I put out feelers with several tech contacts and asked their opinions about what is going on here. It's as most people suspect - all about the money.

Of all my contacts, two Web Developers had the best insight: They suspect that Military Advantage's visitors may have dropped-off and that one way of countering that (and not losing ad revenue) would be looping all links back into themselves in order to drive them back up. They initially suspected that it might also be a way of keeping those on the site from clicking off, however, since opening a new link does not automatically close the old one, they don't think that's the case.

This is a scheme for Military Advantage to skew their own numbers so they can screw their own advertisers out of more money; but they need you - the faithful member - to be their pawns. Won't you lend a hand?

From my insight, it would also have the double advantage of killing Point/Counterpoint. This forum causes them the most problems, and they wouldn't miss it a bit. However, they would probably miss the membership.

Well since this thread seems to be linked to all forums, I doubt is has as much to do with P/CP as others. Thanks for your insight. I had suspected as much.

But if this is true and the "Powers B" that actually believe that being dishonest with both members and advertisers is the way to proceed? Something tells me that they are about to learn a very important lesson on both counts.

Well, without P/CP, and the Presidential forum closing when the election are over. . . what's left?

I hope this doesn't decimate the site, . . cuz I'll miss y'all.

(Well. . . maybe not a-l-l of you . . . )

This is a forum, that I thought was focused on discourse and the exchange of ideas.. If I wanted to hear about shallow empty headed singers and spoiled brat millionaires...I wouldn't spend time here.

I am so confused and disappointed.

I only found this site a short time ago, and I love it. I thought I was home and now it is all changing and the reasons do not make much sense to me.
First we must post a link to verify our source, now we cannot post a link because of copyright infringement issues, but we can post the link by putting little "" thingees in it so it does not show as an actual link, which to me means we are still infringing on someone's space if that is the true reason we can no longer post a real link.

I sure hope the powers that be plan on posting a more detailed explanation for this, and why on earth did those powers open up the no bull forum and then decide that links are taboo.

Does the right hand know what the left hand is doing up there at the top where the powers that be live?

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Originally posted by ndgriego:
I am so confused and disappointed.

I only found this site a short time ago, and I love it. I thought I was home and now it is all changing and the reasons do not make much sense to me.
First we must post a link to verify our source, now we cannot post a link because of copyright infringement issues, but we can post the link by putting little "" thingees in it so it does not show as an actual link, which to me means we are still infringing on someone's space if that is the true reason we can no longer post a real link.

I sure hope the powers that be plan on posting a more detailed explanation for this, and why on earth did those powers open up the no bull forum and then decide that links are taboo.

Does the right hand know what the left hand is doing up there at the top where the powers that be live?

I think many share your sentiments and it will be interesting to see how this all shakes out in the end.

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Thank you for muddying the water for us. The fact that the mods know the reason for this and we don't really makes it much easier to swallow.

Reminds me of when my mom used to tell me "You'll understand when you're older".

If I was a deer your answer would be the equivalent of going from low to high beams.

LOL! Are you really in 3rd ID? Your really this concerned about a rule change on a Internet website?

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Originally posted by The_Bonesaw:
I put out feelers with several tech contacts and asked their opinions about what is going on here. It's as most people suspect - all about the money.

Of all my contacts, two Web Developers had the best insight: They suspect that Military Advantage's visitors may have dropped-off and that one way of countering that (and not losing ad revenue) would be looping all links back into themselves in order to drive them back up. They initially suspected that it might also be a way of keeping those on the site from clicking off, however, since opening a new link does not automatically close the old one, they don't think that's the case.

This is a scheme for Military Advantage to skew their own numbers so they can screw their own advertisers out of more money; but they need you - the faithful member - to be their pawns. Won't you lend a hand?

From my insight, it would also have the double advantage of killing Point/Counterpoint. This forum causes them the most problems, and they wouldn't miss it a bit. However, they would probably miss the membership.

I'm headin out on post 6600 with a LINK

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I wonder if "The Powers That Be" are reading this thread so they can see that a decent number of loyal long time posters are leaving the site, having seen through the "copyright" sham?

As has been said before, a business is no good if you don't have customers.........

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Originally posted by pken:

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Originally posted by dmuhler:

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Originally posted by pken:

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Originally posted by Tim Buck II:
U.S.MilVets.com has no such rules. Many folks will go there......is that the mission?

Yes, it is a great place....a recent start up......but growing fast.

Magpie's place???

Up to a 166 members I see. The place is hopping, like a one legged azz kicking contest.

Apparently, there are now 5 new member's since you posted this. now 171 and it will grow, as friends reunite over there. Come on over Dmuhler! It needs your scepticism!

that would be 171 cons....like I said a one legged azz kicking contest.

Bring all the legs you want.......

It will never happen. Get you some:

Well like most things, this site will wane, the way it has been over the past few months until it no longer exists.

I find it funny that at first we were told that it was copyright issues, then with more and more people asking, we were finally given a glimmer into the "green" reality behind the curtain.

[=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperlink]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperlink[/URL] Linky Poo.

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Originally posted by dmuhler:

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Originally posted by pken:

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Originally posted by dmuhler:

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Originally posted by pken:

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Originally posted by Tim Buck II:
U.S.MilVets.com has no such rules. Many folks will go there......is that the mission?

Yes, it is a great place....a recent start up......but growing fast.

Magpie's place???

Up to a 166 members I see. The place is hopping, like a one legged azz kicking contest.

Apparently, there are now 5 new member's since you posted this. now 171 and it will grow, as friends reunite over there. Come on over Dmuhler! It needs your scepticism!

that would be 171 cons....like I said a one legged azz kicking contest.

Bring all the legs you want.......

It will never happen. Get you some:

Good decision Dave that Magpie dont have a thing good to say about you when your mentioned, he would have a heart attack if you popped in. It would be interesting though if you did.

Not being able to post links doesn't mean it's the (uk.youtube.com/watch?v=8vHoj-PBGzs) end of the world, but sometimes you gotta know when it's time to (uk.youtube.com/watch?v=bqQEXouLH9A)walk on.

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"Down with Goldberg! Down with Goldberg! I love Big Brother!" I think this is a double plus un-good. And oh yes 2+2 does equal 5. George Orwell anyone?

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Originally posted by pken:

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Originally posted by Tim Buck II:
U.S.MilVets.com has no such rules. Many folks will go there......is that the mission?

Yes, it is a great place....a recent start up......but growing fast.

Magpie's place???

Up to a 166 members I see. The place is hopping, like a one legged azz kicking contest.

Apparently, there are now 5 new member's since you posted this. now 171 and it will grow, as friends reunite over there. Come on over Dmuhler! It needs your scepticism!

that would be 171 cons....like I said a one legged azz kicking contest.

Bring all the legs you want.......

It will never happen. Get you some:

Good decision Dave that Magpie dont have a thing good to say about you when your mentioned, he would have a heart attack if you popped in. It would be interesting though if you did.

actually mag has asked dave to come in a few times...

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Originally posted by nspreitler:
Whoever owns this site has the right to set whatever rules they want. However, if they are going to do it be honest about it, and give a reason or no reason at all. Just don't make stuff up about copyrights and hyperlinks. There is no copyright difference in posting "www.cnn.com" and posting a hyperlink.

It is all revenue and advertiser related, which is fine it is a for profit company. They can make whatever rules they want, but to make it seem like they were forced to do this because of copyright laws just isn't right.

I am amazed at all the experts in copyright law here. The partial explanation I posted is my understanding of only part of the reasons for the changes in linking. It boils down to what the owners wish, and that is the way it will be.
Perhaps you should ask for your membership fees back if you are not happy about it.

Linking to other sites can be objected to for other reasons than money, or copyright; National Public Radio discouraged linking to them because:
"NPR said it was trying to preserve its integrity as a noncommercial organ of journalism. NPR Ombudsman Jeffrey Dvorkin explained in his online column: "NPR has had some unscrupulous types try to aggregate (borrow?) NPR content for commercial purposes." current.org/tech/tech0212linking.html

It does not look as if the question of linking is cut and dried one way or the other, at present.

"Linking to infringing content is probably illegal in the US"
Posted in: Fox, Legal, DRM, Piracy & IP, News, YouTube by Chris Tew on December 9, 2006

Summary: There have been 3 court cases in the US where sites were forced to take down links leading to infringing material on external sites. The sites were found guilty of ‘contributory infringement’ for simply linking.

Although unclear the law leans in favor of content owner so if you linked to copyrighted material and don’t take it down you could very well lose a legal battle and face huge legal fees. Even blogs are at risk!

large number of cases never reach the courts where sites are served with takedown notices and dare not risk ignoring them as they may otherwise face liability."

webtvwire.com/linking-to-infringing-content-is-probably-illegal-in-the-us/

So it appears that the legality of linking is far from being settled.

According to wiki - Linking to infringing content:

"The law is currently unsettled with regard to websites that contain links to infringing material; however, there have been a few lower-court decisions which have ruled against linking in some narrowly prescribed circumstances. One is when the owner of a website has already been issued an injunction against posting infringing material on their website and then links to the same material in an attempt to circumvent the injunction. Another area involves linking to software or devices which are designed to circumvent DRM (digital rights management) devices, or links from websites whose sole purpose is to circumvent copyright protection by linking to copyrighted material"

Hmmm, I wonder what action the owners here could take to stop any potential litigation about linking?

I am also amazed at all the carping about "for profit" companies. One might think that capitalists here would be glad to see someone making a buck. In any case, I highly doubt that the folks who own this site lose any sleep worrying about our discussion boards here.

I have been reading dire predictions of Mil.com's demise for over 6 years, dating from the days when I was still a 'numbers' member.

Whatever their true reasons (no one has directly told the mods here more than the minimum of information) The site owners do not want links off site, and that is their privilege.

If you do not like it, contact the management here and let them know.

Hello USAF. Did you get my email? Just checking. Need to get all my (shlit) stuff squared away and in sea tight boxes before the big move.

Carl,
I just checked it, message inbound.

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Originally posted by Tim Buck II:
U.S.MilVets.com has no such rules. Many folks will go there......is that the mission?

Yes, it is a great place....a recent start up......but growing fast.

Magpie's place???

Up to a 166 members I see. The place is hopping, like a one legged azz kicking contest.

Apparently, there are now 5 new member's since you posted this. now 171 and it will grow, as friends reunite over there. Come on over Dmuhler! It needs your scepticism!

that would be 171 cons....like I said a one legged azz kicking contest.

Bring all the legs you want.......

It will never happen. Get you some:

Good decision Dave that Magpie dont have a thing good to say about you when your mentioned, he would have a heart attack if you popped in. It would be interesting though if you did.

actually mag has asked dave to come in a few times...

That would be interesting even on Mags Turf, That would be worse than Wally and Mag in that special Pizzin contest they had.

censorship in a free country can only be accomplished in incremental steps.
"military.com" is a very powerful name for a website and in that will garner respect for the views spoken.
"Google" is a masssive entity that the puppet masters must reign in. How can a virtual commodity sell stock for $400+ a share?

Knowlwdge is power! even it is not real or truth

The truth is you can't trust a link being posted. You may have good intentions when posting the link. But links and sites can get hijacked. In other words, a youtube link could take you to a porn site. I rarely ever click on a posted link. Its just to dangerous. I don't think its about money, but possible legal issues that have been cropping up. The other truth is that this change has been going on for many years, at least since the late 90's. I guess its like USAF said, if you don't like just leave and get you refund for the fee. Wait, there never was a fee. Well thats what happens when stuff is free, the powers that be get to do what ever they like with their property

What about the laws concerning Public domain? They are very specific on whats considered public domain and not copyright protected. But Its thier site and they can do as they please. Its all about politics and getting close to elections so its understandable.

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What about the laws concerning Public domain? They are very specific on whats considered public domain and not copyright protected. But Its thier site and they can do as they please. Its all about politics and getting close to elections so its understandable.

This has probably been in the wings for quite a while. They looked at it in the ITN only a while back, then changed their minds; I suppose that they we worried about implementing it on only one forum.

Nothing yet in my mail buddy.

I took a look to see who the whiners are. Most seem to have 2000+ postings here. Sounds like some of you need to get a life. I have noticed from other forums, that the higher the post count, the more bored the person becomes.

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That would be interesting even on Mags Turf, That would be worse than Wally and Mag in that special Pizzin contest they had.

Really when did Wally and Mag do that? I am surprised to hear that...Is Wally still active?

Actually, I think Dave and Mag miss the banter...It would be interesting to see them back "at it" again...They both taught me a lot. I consider them both my friends as I am sure they do me.

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I took a look to see who the whiners are. Most seem to have 2000+ postings here. Sounds like some of you need to get a life. I have noticed from other forums, that the higher the post count, the more bored the person becomes.

Naw, I don't think that to be true...I think many have some handicapped and it is a place of comradery to share thoughts and opinions and just generally keep up with stuff...Many become friends or were friends before this site. Many have come together from the past through this site.

There is a variety of every walk of life here and and it is a difficult task to get to trust or know who who are talking to at the other side of that screen...Somehow the military family seems "safe" at least to me...I have been a member for some 5 years now and I was really active for a long time and then the melt down and then personal stuff but I never really get bored with talking to or viewing our members views and rants..

Lots of good people here...and there are lots of good people on the other site as well and I am sure it will keep growing as the rules and commercialization go on here...A link is of little consequence when it is offered to you on how you can get around it by your own great Mods! So take the time to place * OR ' before and after it...Big deal...if you want to read it bad enough you will otherwise you will whine...

Take a deep breath and analyze why it is so dang important as to jump ship....Mag's place is not censored so if you want to blow off steam..go for it...We have one of those here too just rules are different...Same stuff different day....

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That would be interesting even on Mags Turf, That would be worse than Wally and Mag in that special Pizzin contest they had.

Really when did Wally and Mag do that? I am surprised to hear that...Is Wally still active?

Actually, I think Dave and Mag miss the banter...It would be interesting to see them back "at it" again...They both taught me a lot. I consider them both my friends as I am sure they do me.

Yea GH there was a whole thread called the wally thread mag opened,Stop over there and have a look. Wally finally left to build his own forum. He even got suspended a few times which is near impossible to do.

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That would be interesting even on Mags Turf, That would be worse than Wally and Mag in that special Pizzin contest they had.

Really when did Wally and Mag do that? I am surprised to hear that...Is Wally still active?

Actually, I think Dave and Mag miss the banter...It would be interesting to see them back "at it" again...They both taught me a lot. I consider them both my friends as I am sure they do me.

Yea GH there was a whole thread called the wally thread mag opened,Stop over there and have a look. Wally finally left to build his own forum. He even got suspended a few times which is near impossible to do.

Oaky doaky I will...There really surprizes me though....Thanks for sharin'! Hey and good to see ya!!