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Would then not some if not a lot of comments be taken out of context? or be misrepresented as least.

In a discussion, or even a formal debate, does every word of a cited source need to be read?

If you are in a discussion, and you have both read the same material, it would be quite easy to point out a misrepresentation.

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Let's see if this works; would this be ok? Just add the h

ttp://yuarel.com/generaldiscussionlargefish

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Let's see if this works; would this be ok? Just add the h

ttp://yuarel.com/generaldiscussionlargefish

You didn't link, so as far as I am concerned, it is fine.

"Never try to teach a pig to sing; It wastes your time and annoys the pig." - Heinlein

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SkipHadaway

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I thought posting a link was a courtesy, so as to save space here, and give readers a chance to go and read it themselves if they wish. Isn't that how both P/CP and In the News are supposed to work?? I am confused about this - -

And, wasn't that how ITN was to be started... with a link to the news... so that there was a source for the conversation/argument/name calling/beeautch slapping? So, a cut and paste will breed more of this since it will be out of context.

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Fiannan

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Just on the issue of plagerism, in most college classrooms if you write a paper dealing with just about anything, but especially in regards to a highly controversial topic, you need to give a source. So if you say A is related to B and it's not common knowledge then without a direct source (either in a footnote or using APA citation with your source (link and title) in the bibliography then you have actually both jeopardized your grade as well as commiting plagerism. Tht relates to both backing up your claims as well as not getting into trouble in regards to copy right violation.

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Originally posted by SkipHadaway:
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Originally posted by greywolfghost:
I thought posting a link was a courtesy, so as to save space here, and give readers a chance to go and read it themselves if they wish. Isn't that how both P/CP and In the News are supposed to work?? I am confused about this - -

And, wasn't that how ITN was to be started... with a link to the news... so that there was a source for the conversation/argument/name calling/beeautch slapping? So, a cut and paste will breed more of this since it will be out of context.

Perhaps the concerns about the copyright laws were not as acute.

If you read a quote, in this day and age just copy it and paste it into your search engine.

No doubt you will be able to read the item in its full.

"Never try to teach a pig to sing; It wastes your time and annoys the pig." - Heinlein

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Originally posted by Fiannan:
Just on the issue of plagerism, in most college classrooms if you write a paper dealing with just about anything, but especially in regards to a highly controversial topic, you need to give a source. So if you say A is related to B and it's not common knowledge then without a direct source (either in a footnote or using APA citation with your source (link and title) in the bibliography then you have actually both jeopardized your grade as well as commiting plagerism. Tht relates to both backing up your claims as well as not getting into trouble in regards to copy right violation.

Did you know that you must even cite something that you have written yourself somewhere else?

Like, if you are writing a college paper, and you use part of something else you wrote in a different paper, that you MUST properly cite it? Seriously, its true.

Now, tell me, truthfully, how many here have cited themselves before?

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Originally posted by Fiannan:
Just on the issue of plagerism, in most college classrooms if you write a paper dealing with just about anything, but especially in regards to a highly controversial topic, you need to give a source. So if you say A is related to B and it's not common knowledge then without a direct source (either in a footnote or using APA citation with your source (link and title) in the bibliography then you have actually both jeopardized your grade as well as commiting plagerism. Tht relates to both backing up your claims as well as not getting into trouble in regards to copy right violation.

There is no need to be so formal in an informal setting like a discussion forum. A simple attribution like "the NYT says" or "Ann Couter says" should be enough.

If you make it clear that it wasn't you who originally wrote or provided the material, there should be no problem, as far as I know.

"Never try to teach a pig to sing; It wastes your time and annoys the pig." - Heinlein

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I think this plan will either 1) implode discussion or 2) be rescinded quickly when the powers-that-be realize that public internet debate is useless without supporting links.

In fact, they did a study on this very thing and the answers will surprise you. Here, you can read the full report at...oh, wait...

You know that look a woman gets when she wants sex? Neither do I.

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Originally posted by SgtSchaeffersMom:
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Originally posted by Fiannan:
Just on the issue of plagerism, in most college classrooms if you write a paper dealing with just about anything, but especially in regards to a highly controversial topic, you need to give a source. So if you say A is related to B and it's not common knowledge then without a direct source (either in a footnote or using APA citation with your source (link and title) in the bibliography then you have actually both jeopardized your grade as well as commiting plagerism. Tht relates to both backing up your claims as well as not getting into trouble in regards to copy right violation.

Did you know that you must even cite something that you have written yourself somewhere else?

Like, if you are writing a college paper, and you use part of something else you wrote in a different paper, that you MUST properly cite it? Seriously, its true.

Now, tell me, truthfully, how many here have cited themselves before?

LOL...I ran into this while writing a thesis in physics. Thank God my overseeing professor went through it before it was submitted. I was informed that I could lose my standing and be charged with plagiarism...against myself

now, that's fun stuff!

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Originally posted by SurfaceDog:
I think this plan will either 1) implode discussion or 2) be rescinded quickly when the powers-that-be realize that public internet debate is useless without supporting links.

In fact, they did a study on this very thing and the answers will surprise you. Here, you can read the full report at...oh, wait...

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Originally posted by Locutisprime:
Anyone looking for a home, send me an email. There are alternatives.

Locut...grrrr...I tried to email you, but it won't go through. Would you pls shoot me one? Thanks.

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I for one find this change of direction exceedingly curious. Especially in the middle of the current presidential campaign.

It strikes me as the doors are being flung open to a Dodge City style of unchecked and unsupported bias and name calling that leaves no room for challenge or substance or rebuttal. Other than biting kicking screaming rants back and forth and supported by nothing other that who will attempt to out last the other via personal attacks and the use of vitriol. And that doesn't even begin to consider the wolf packs and cliques that will form for supposedly savaging the individual unable or unskilled enough to protect themselves.

If that is the path that the supposed "powers that be" want this forum to take? Then I say, "You know what? It is their forum and they are more than welcome to do as they damn well please." Just don't be surprised when the forums here cease to be anything other than the soapboxes of the left and those whose only objective is to rant. Because that is precisely all you will have left.

Come on, Prime! We will have YOU left. At least throughout the election cycle!

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Originally posted by monachus:
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Originally posted by SgtSchaeffersMom:
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Originally posted by Fiannan:
Just on the issue of plagerism, in most college classrooms if you write a paper dealing with just about anything, but especially in regards to a highly controversial topic, you need to give a source. So if you say A is related to B and it's not common knowledge then without a direct source (either in a footnote or using APA citation with your source (link and title) in the bibliography then you have actually both jeopardized your grade as well as commiting plagerism. Tht relates to both backing up your claims as well as not getting into trouble in regards to copy right violation.

Did you know that you must even cite something that you have written yourself somewhere else?

Like, if you are writing a college paper, and you use part of something else you wrote in a different paper, that you MUST properly cite it? Seriously, its true.

Now, tell me, truthfully, how many here have cited themselves before?

LOL...I ran into this while writing a thesis in physics. Thank God my overseeing professor went through it before it was submitted. I was informed that I could lose my standing and be charged with plagiarism...against myself now, that's fun stuff!

Yup, they take that stuff very seriously.

I never felt so self-important as when I cited myself for a paper!!

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Originally posted by Locutisprime:
Anyone looking for a home, send me an email. There are alternatives.

Locut...grrrr...I tried to email you, but it won't go through. Would you pls shoot me one? Thanks.

Izzy, forward the info to me at my email, kay?

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I was informed that I could lose my standing and be charged with plagiarism...against myself

LMBO monachus. You reminded me of one of my professors in my Ph.d program who was such a stickler. Same thing happened so I put in "self". He was soooo not amused.

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Originally posted by SgtSchaeffersMom:
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Originally posted by IzzyBizzy:
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Originally posted by Locutisprime:
Anyone looking for a home, send me an email. There are alternatives.

Locut...grrrr...I tried to email you, but it won't go through. Would you pls shoot me one? Thanks.

Izzy, forward the info to me at my email, kay?

Yes ma'am.

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PeteCDR

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Does this include posting outside images??? If so, bye-bye bikini thread!

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Does this include posting outside images??? If so, bye-bye bikini thread!

LOL! You just beat me to it... they are ALL outside links as are our avatars (for most people).

As for why they are being removed... I suspect that is strictly for reasons of revenue. They may be getting bills from other websites because of some of those links.

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LHA_3Rusty

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The lawyers who practice such fear tactics ought to be DISBARRED and have the ever loving sh

t fined out of them...I mean really FINED heavily...punished substantially to set a real friggin' serious EXAMPLE for other greedy and unscrupulous legal "sharks" out there. These kinds of lawyers have hijacked and hamstrung our whole legal system enough...I'm so fed up with all of their convoluted and nefarious legal antics. Isn't enough, ENOUGH?

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For clarification purposes I have gone back and read the Users Agreement and there are many references in there about the uploading of pictures and offensive material and such.

So I am assuming based on my reading that pictures are not allowed to be posted? So if that is a correct assumption then would that be limited to posting or would that be true for using these pictures in our avatars . too?

And am I also to assume no YouTube videos are to be posted, either?

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As far as I know, you shouldn't "hot link" to a picture.

If you post something from a photo storage site of your own, shouldn't be a problem.

As to YouTube: a link is a link. If you give the clip's addy so that it does not come up as a link, there should be no difficulty.

"Never try to teach a pig to sing; It wastes your time and annoys the pig." - Heinlein

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Welcome to the Ministry of Truth.

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USAF, . . . how did you get SO smart?

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seaservicefan

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Well, this seems like a "bravosierra" type of move. So many topics have been shut down lately,& actually removed from the threads, this was the next logical step, I guess.

May get my hand slapped again for saying this..

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Does this include posting outside images??? If so, bye-bye bikini thread! Frown

I think if you do not hot link to a picture, and it meets the usual req. for posting in the 'kini thread (No watermarks, copyright/ownership marks, etc) there shouldn't be a problem.

"Never try to teach a pig to sing; It wastes your time and annoys the pig." - Heinlein

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USAF, . . . how did you get SO smart?

LOL, I am hardly that, I am afraid. Lots of discussion helped.

"Never try to teach a pig to sing; It wastes your time and annoys the pig." - Heinlein

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SMom...do I need to check for soft spots in your head?

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Originally posted by SgtSchaeffersMom:
USAF, . . . how did you get SO smart?

LOL, I am hardly that, I am afraid. Lots of discussion helped.

Wow, . . . . and humble, too! LOL.

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