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 Live free or die: Death is not the worst of evils. ~~General John Stark~~ Shock and Awe Lead Hot Topics Moderator |
OK, there are not a lot of details yet, but some changes are coming down from the top. Keep your eyes open, and be flexible.... most of the changes will be for the good, I think.
One MAJOR change that is coming is that NO OUTSIDE LINKS WILL BE ALLOWED THIS MEANS THAT UNLESS YOU are linking within Military.com, to a "dot-mil" website or to one found in our Military and Veteran Associations page, OUTSIDE LINKS ARE NOT ALLOWED. This will definitely mean changes in HT's. We will make it work. For now, might as well stop using them.... as it WILL be enforced. If you make a post, you will be allowed to cut and paste verbiage, and as I understand it, you can tell where you found it, but the cut and pastes will only be as needed to document a point, and you must watch out for plagiarism/copyright concerns. As I said.... change is coming, and it's from the very top, so, we will deal with it and make the best out of it. With this crowd, I am sure we can make it work. Zack Lead Moderator Hot Topics Forums  "The things that will destroy America are prosperity at any price, peace at any price, safety first instead of duty first, the love of soft living and the get rich quick theory of life."~~~Theodore Roosevelt~~~ |
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Any comment on WHY? |
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Just thinking: Can you imagine all the reading that a moderator has to do to make sure that the links are reliable?
 I think they do a fantastic job as it is!!Candice |
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hasnt this been tried b4? and it didnt go over well either time.
the brass tryin to run folks off again? |
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Good-bye point/counter-point and In the News....
So, what's the point of being here? I can go to Relief Society with Mystical and listen to all the old bitties talk about their grandkids, I guess -- Wandering and Wondering |
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I guess I'm confused as to why we don't post the links?
I understand the mission, but geez, . . its going to be a lot more work to post stuff here, . . . oh well, . .  |
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Live free or die: Death is not the worst of evils. ~~General John Stark~~ Shock and Awe Lead Hot Topics Moderator |
It will probably be better explained later, BUT, this is coming down from the Very Top.... and we will need to make the best of it. It will work.... take some getting used to, but will work. Many posts already have no links.... they are usually posted when someone asks for documantation, or to back up a quote..... Worse things have changed before, and we survived... this crowd can do it. "The things that will destroy America are prosperity at any price, peace at any price, safety first instead of duty first, the love of soft living and the get rich quick theory of life."~~~Theodore Roosevelt~~~ |
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The old adage comes to mind: what you don't know will always hurt you.
I'll probably be spending most of my posts in the General Discussion forum, in the funny pictures/funny games threads. And that social forum might be interesting... |
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Hmmmm! The last couple of times things have "come down from the very top," there were huge Exoduses of membership elsewhere, many of which have never returned!
This does not bode well! It is not our belief or disbelief that can make or unmake the fact. ~ Thomas Paine |
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My suggestion: if you have an outside link, simply paste the word DOT in place of the dot. We can translate that easily enough. This has become the worlds most rinky-dink place. I can see why it's called Military dot com... it's a general military style cluster fk. |
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Bill, could you explain to us dense folks, just how does that assuage those "at the top"? How does that address their issue? Which reminds me, "What exactly IS the issue?"  |
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This is getting into lawyer territory. Being no lawyer, I semi - understand why. I think it goes something like this:
When a site get's linked to, the folks that own the site can see where it was linked. If their site has copyrighted material, and they investigate and see that indeed their material is being used without their permission, they may(probably) come around asking for their fee for posting their material, or get the shysters involved in litigation. This is a area that has been gray since the beginning of the WWW. Many news and entertainment corporations argue that it hurts their revenue, etc. Others say that a discussion of news and topical items is mostly protected by the "Fair Use" provision in the copyright laws, where short quotes and attribution can be made in a public arena, such as in editorials, letters to editors, and so forth. In my own opinion, the internet is much more akin to a town square, where you should be free to discuss what you want, as our Constitution says. Unfortunately, since it is in printed or graphic form (the Founders likely never envisioned electronic communications) the laws are worded in such a way that folks with enough money and interest to take it to the courts can do so, and those folks mostly happen to be corporations who see a chance to make a buck. But "No linking" does not mean that you cannot provide a URL For instance, www.military.com can be typed "www.military.com"  "Never try to teach a pig to sing; It wastes your time and annoys the pig." - Heinlein |
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Asked and answered
 Thank you again to Zack and th mods here for the unpaid work you all do for us. No replies needed, most are even unwanted. I am only posting to hear the clank of th keys, and to amuse myself. |
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"Resistance to reason is futile" |
I for one find this change of direction exceedingly curious. Especially in the middle of the current presidential campaign.
It strikes me as the doors are being flung open to a Dodge City style of unchecked and unsupported bias and name calling that leaves no room for challenge or substance or rebuttal. Other than biting kicking screaming rants back and forth and supported by nothing other that who will attempt to out last the other via personal attacks and the use of vitriol. And that doesn't even begin to consider the wolf packs and cliques that will form for supposedly savaging the individual unable or unskilled enough to protect themselves. If that is the path that the supposed "powers that be" want this forum to take? Then I say, "You know what? It is their forum and they are more than welcome to do as they damn well please." Just don't be surprised when the forums here cease to be anything other than the soapboxes of the left and those whose only objective is to rant. Because that is precisely all you will have left. |
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Then it would be up to US.Milvets to deal with the lawyers, wouldn't it? You think that free speech will out over profits when it comes to the news,information and entertainment entities that are taking web sites to court for infringement of copyright? "Never try to teach a pig to sing; It wastes your time and annoys the pig." - Heinlein |
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Typing the URL out like that just makes the post look ugly.
Too bad for the No Bull, Just Debate Forum. How am I supposed to debate if we're alone in the universe or if Jesus is alive without any links? |
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USAF,
Thanks for the explanation, . . . It appears that my thinking about the issue was completely backwards. I thought that if you posted a link, that it was a GOOD thing, because then readers could click and get to the original site, where all the advertisers are. . . . thereby assuaging the original site's objections to using their materials, because they felt we were shortchanging their advertisers. Oh, well, . . show's what I know. |
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Nice rant. "Never try to teach a pig to sing; It wastes your time and annoys the pig." - Heinlein |
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Lead Moderator Post War Iraq  Hot Topics Moderator mainedawg72gmail.com   |
Give it time to be posted. It's new to all of us.
We will help all we can to understand what the new way of posting will be. We don't want the doors to slow down here. This is a site for military people. The public is invited to set in and post with us. We want it to stay that way. Just give it time. Mainedawg Moderator |
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Darned if ya didnt beat me too it. Yep too bad for that forum.  |
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What he said.
And this is going to be real boring. |
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"Resistance to reason is futile" |
Thank you USAF, just thought you would want to get a leg up on what is in store.  |
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Mom, the advertisers want conclusive proof that the original web site was visited, and their ad banner was seen. Some sites charge "per view" and get whanked when they think their chance to make a buck gets compromised. IMO, this is one reason the issues being determined in congress about internet freedoms is important, and everyone should know where their representatives and senators stand. "Never try to teach a pig to sing; It wastes your time and annoys the pig." - Heinlein |
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Such is the world we live in... will do. |
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Okay, I'm gettin a handle on this now. . . Still SUCKS.  |
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The Spanking Monk "That'll Butter Your Parsnips" 2542 posts as usmc_lovebug  |
from a logical point of view, this makes no sense...in keeping with other things military, i suppose. i can understand issues with pasting whole articles...but linking brings traffic to the original site. but, hey, what do i know?
that said, i have faith that we here are more than capable of being creative and we WILL get used to our new-found (albeit forced) ninja skills in time...for those of us who are here regularly, we will adapt quickly. it's a pain in the @ss, but isn't everything these days |
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No more linking to polls.
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Why do you think these changes will only be of benefit to the 'left'? Because of all the links to NRO, Human Events, and even Frontpage Magazine? The 'right' can't rely on such things so badly, especially since the articles referenced are usually the kind of scuttlebutt you warn against at the top of your post. I take it you don't trust the mods to keep order in 'Dodge City'? |
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Too bad- I learn a lot from the outside links people post.
I've always believed that if it gets posted on the WWW, it is fair game for cross-posting. I think someone is practicing defensive/preemptive lawyering. |
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We lost a lot of fine members the last time this stunt was pulled just "in the news" section. Are the powers that be trying to remove what's left of the fine members?
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