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Suspended Member, 06 July 2008 PhoenixDark |
I sez:
jasu sez:
Are you saying you're a baby harp seal? That explains a lot. Carry on.  |
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Anything I post on these boards is my opinion only unless accompanied by documented fact. Know that in politics my emotions is with no party. |
Amazing!!! Truely Amazing!!! Even with the available information presented to you, some won't even go near it. That says to me that you don't want to move past your limited thought process.
The following is the craziest chit I've ever heard of; how much HIV has been forced on him? What about that syphilis,, how much did white America give him? What about his Church goers? How many of them were targeted for destruction? How many "negreos " do you know that have been victims of these programs which your "evil" country has developed? What???? Well we do know for sure that 399 Black men were the subjects of this particular experiment. So are you stating that it was just these men and no other men have to worry about such a thing happening again? Oh My God!! You don't really think like that do you? And the evidence is there that says the CIA distributed drugs to Americans without their knowledge. They don't really have a racial agenda for their experimentations. They have their own agendas for doing it. They even said why they do it: "To study the reactions." You guys still won't see the real issue. Rev Wright only stated what so many other Americans wonder. Like I stated, the crack cocaine issue is still in Federal Court. They are seeing more and more conections between the CIA and this epidemic. Someone, anyone, argue with me. Debate me on the merits of what I have put forth, but please don't ignore the information and continue to cry racism. I see him as looking out for his race in specific, but all Americans in general with his statements. WHAT WE HAVE DONE FOR OURSELVES ALONE DIES WITH US;WHAT WE HAVE DONE FOR OTHERS AND THE WORLD IS AND REMAINS IMMORTAL |
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Suspended Member, 06 July 2008 PhoenixDark |
I had my fun with FFJ for claiming he knows how "PLENTY of older black people feel". I get the feeling, that he, like I, doesn't know many black Americans. Some white Americans believed that the US government was in cahoots with the UN and the black choppers were coming to get 'em in the 90s. Some Americans think that fluoride is a gubmint plot to poison us. But it seems to me like a large number of older African Americans believe that HIV might have been concocted in US govt. labs and a large minority of African Americans are at least willing to listen to someone talking up that theory. I'm betting that there's a lot of reasons for that. One of em might be that older black Americans didn't have much reason to trust the government when they were young. Anybody here gets their hair cut in a black barbershop or goes to a church with a black preacher got an opinion? Am I wrong? Don't hold back.  |
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Wright is an @sshole who hates America OR he is a shakedown artist like Jackson and Sharpton.
Meanwhile, it is okay for liberals to call the Pope a Nazi because Maher said it was a joke... Hmmn Tuskegee experiment vs. Auschwitz... What is Mr. Soros POV on this??? When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains, and the women come out to cut up what remains, jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains and go to your gawd like a soldier. -Rudyard Kipling |
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Now thats just stupid. your dismissed! |
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Suspended Member, 06 July 2008 PhoenixDark |
One more time...
Some white Americans believed that the US government was in cahoots with the UN and the black choppers were coming to get 'em in the 90s. Some Americans think that fluoride is a gubmint plot to poison us. But it seems to me like a large number of older African Americans believe that HIV might have been concocted in US govt. labs and a large minority of African Americans are at least willing to listen to someone like Reverend Wright talking up that theory. I'm betting that there's a lot of reasons for that. One of em might be that older black Americans didn't have much reason to trust the government when they were young. Maybe another is that the 1972 Public Health Service Syphilis study makes it seem like blacks are "clinical material" not "sick patients". Anybody here, besides FFJ, know how "PLENTY of older black people feel"? If you get your hair cut in a black barbershop or go to a church with a black preacher, we'd like to hear your opinion. Am I wrong? Am I an ignorant cracker from Wonder Bread Land? Don't hold back. |
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All of you who think that the Rev. Wright should be labeled a racist because of what he said from the pulpit; will you be just as willing to condemn these preachers as well?
Obama's Minister Committed "Treason" When Senator Obama's preacher thundered about racism and injustice Obama suffered smear-by-association. But when my late father -- Religious Right leader Francis Schaeffer -- denounced America and even called for the violent overthrow of the US government, he was invited to lunch with presidents Ford, Reagan and Bush, Sr. Every Sunday thousands of right wing white preachers (following in my father's footsteps) rail against America's sins from tens of thousands of pulpits. They tell us that America is complicit in the "murder of the unborn," has become "Sodom" by coddling gays, and that our public schools are sinful places full of evolutionists and sex educators hell-bent on corrupting children. They say, as my dad often did, that we are, "under the judgment of God." They call America evil and warn of immanent destruction. By comparison Obama's minister's shouted "controversial" comments were mild. All he said was that God should damn America for our racism and violence and that no one had ever used the N-word about Hillary Clinton. Dad and I were amongst the founders of the Religious right. In the 1970s and 1980s, while Dad and I crisscrossed America denouncing our nation's sins instead of getting in trouble we became darlings of the Republican Party. (This was while I was my father's sidekick before I dropped out of the evangelical movement altogether.) We were rewarded for our "stand" by people such as Congressman Jack Kemp, the Fords, Reagan and the Bush family. The top Republican leadership depended on preachers and agitators like us to energize their rank and file. No one called us un-American. Consider a few passages from my father's immensely influential America-bashing book A Christian Manifesto. It sailed under the radar of the major media who, back when it was published in 1980, were not paying particular attention to best-selling religious books. Nevertheless it sold more than a million copies. Here's Dad writing in his chapter on civil disobedience: If there is a legitimate reason for the use of force [against the US government]... then at a certain point force is justifiable. And this: In the United States the materialistic, humanistic world view is being taught exclusively in most state schools... There is an obvious parallel between this and the situation in Russia [the USSR]. And we really must not be blind to the fact that indeed in the public schools in the United States all religious influence is as forcibly forbidden as in the Soviet Union.... Then this: There does come a time when force, even physical force, is appropriate... A true Christian in Hitler's Germany and in the occupied countries should have defied the false and counterfeit state. This brings us to a current issue that is crucial for the future of the church in the United States, the issue of abortion... It is time we consciously realize that when any office commands what is contrary to God's law it abrogates it's authority. And our loyalty to the God who gave this law then requires that we make the appropriate response in that situation... Was any conservative political leader associated with Dad running for cover? Far from it. Dad was a frequent guest of the Kemps, had lunch with the Fords, stayed in the White House as their guest, he met with Reagan, helped Dr. C. Everett Koop become Surgeon General. (I went on the 700 Club several times to generate support for Koop). Dad became a hero to the evangelical community and a leading political instigator. When Dad died in 1984 everyone from Reagan to Kemp to Billy Graham lamented his passing publicly as the loss of a great American. Not one Republican leader was ever asked to denounce my dad or distanced himself from Dad's statements. Take Dad's words and put them in the mouth of Obama's preacher (or in the mouth of any black American preacher) and people would be accusing that preacher of treason. Yet when we of the white Religious Right denounced America white conservative Americans and top political leaders, called our words "godly" and "prophetic" and a "call to repentance." We Republican agitators of the mid 1970s to the late 1980s were genuinely anti-American in the same spirit that later Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson (both followers of my father) were anti-American when they said God had removed his blessing from America on 9/11, because America accepted gays. Falwell and Robertson recanted but we never did. My dad's books denouncing America and comparing the USA to Hitler are still best sellers in the "respectable" evangelical community and he's still hailed as a prophet by many Republican leaders. When Mike Huckabee was recently asked by Katie Couric to name one book he'd take with him to a desert island, besides the Bible, he named Dad's Whatever Happened to the Human Race? a book where Dad also compared America to Hitler's Germany. The hypocrisy of the right denouncing Obama, because of his minister's words, is staggering. They are the same people who argue for the right to "bear arms" as "insurance" to limit government power. They are the same people that (in the early 1980s roared and cheered when I called down damnation on America as "fallen away from God" at their national meetings where I was keynote speaker, including the annual meeting of the ultraconservative Southern Baptist convention, and the religious broadcasters that I addressed. Today we have a marriage of convenience between the right wing fundamentalists who hate Obama, and the "progressive" Clintons who are playing the race card through their own smear machine. As Jane Smiley writes in the Huffington Post "[The Clinton's] are, indeed, now part of the 'vast right wing conspiracy.' (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jane-smiley/im-already-against-the-n_b_90628.html ) Both the far right Republicans and the stop-at-nothing Clintons are using the "scandal" of Obama's preacher to undermine the first black American candidate with a serious shot at the presidency. Funny thing is, the racist Clinton/Far Right smear machine proves that Obama's minister had a valid point. There is plenty to yell about these days. Frank Schaeffer is a writer and author of "CRAZY FOR GOD-How I Grew Up As One Of The Elect, Helped Found The Religious Right, And Lived To Take All (Or Almost All) Of It Back What say you now?? |
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unless that was a typo Then no one is going be able to pull your head out of the sand. Good luck with a life always thinking uncle sam is out to get ya! I was at my best friends house the other night (who happens to be black) and amazingly after he saw it from my side,(the rational one) he agreed. You can blame the Gov for all the evil, all the issues, all the bad things that happen but in general its the individual who screws it up. "OH the Gov distrubutes drugs in inner cities to keep people down," maybe so, dont do the drugs, but you say well its not that easy," Millions of people dont do drugs, Its always the ones that do drugs[insert any vice you like] that cry the loudest. If everyone would take some dmn responsibility for their own action instead of being a nation of freaking crying victims we could move on! But Nooooooooooooooooooo we got wright spewing this hatred garbage stirring up the poop stew! |
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I agree with you. Now since wright did the exact same thing,,, do you agree with me?? |
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The Rev. Wright will be on PBS (Bill Moyers Journal) next Friday night. Should be interesting.
All those bad things that happened to the blacks, the American Indians, the Chinese, the Irish, the Japanese Nisei, and any one else who were different way back when didn't happen on our watch so we have every right to believe that there is nothing that we need be apologetic for now. However, the same fear, the same intolerance, the same attitudes that existed then have not changed much (actually laws had to be written and enforced to accomplish what equality there is now). Are we so sure that what we heard Rev. Wright say is what he meant? Could it possibly be that by using sound bites we only heard what others wanted us to hear. There might be an entirely different meaning to his sermon if heard in the full context. SEPT. 16, 2001 Sound bite: “We’ve bombed Hiroshima, we’ve bombed Nagasaki, we’ve nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon and we never batted an eye. . . . We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and Black South Africans, and now we are indignant. Because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back into our own front yards. America’s chickens are coming home to roost.” Wright in context: “I heard Ambassador [Edward] Peck on an interview yesterday, did anybody else see him or hear him? He was on Fox News. This is a white man, and he was upsetting the Fox News commentators to no end. Did you see him, John? A white man. He pointed out, an ambassador, that what Malcolm X said when he got silenced by Elijah Muhammad was in fact true, that America’s chickens are coming home to roost. “We took this country by terror away from the Sioux, the Apache, the Iroquois, the Comanche, the Arapaho, the Navajo. Terrorism. We took Africans from their country to build our way of ease and kept them enslaved and living in fear. Terrorism. We bombed Grenada and killed innocent civilians, babies, non-military personnel; we bombed the Black civilian community of Panama with stealth bombers, and killed unarmed teenagers and toddlers, pregnant mothers and hard-working fathers. We’ve bombed (Moammar) Gadhafi’s home and killed his child. “Blessed are they who bash your children’s heads against the rocks. We bombed Iraq; we killed unarmed civilians trying to make a living. We bombed a plant in Sudan to pay back an attack on our embassy. Killed hundreds of hard-working people, mothers and fathers who left home to go that day, not knowing that they would never get back home. “We’ve bombed Hiroshima, we’ve bombed Nagasaki, we’ve nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon and we never batted an eye. Kids playing in the playground, mothers picking up children after school, civilians not soldiers, people just trying to make it day by day. “We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and Black South Africans, and now we are indignant. Because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back into our own front yards. “America’s chickens are coming home to roost. Violence begets violence. Hatred begets hatred and terrorism begets terrorism.” A white ambassador said that, y’all, not a Black militant. Not a reverend who preaches about racism. JULY 2003 Sound bite: “The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing ‘God Bless America’? No, no, no, not ‘God Bless America,’ God damn America.” Wright in context: “...The United States of America government, when it came to treating her citizens of Indian descent fairly, she failed. She put them on the reservations. When it came to treating her citizens of Japanese descent fairly, she failed. She put them in internment prison camps. When it came to treating the citizens of African descent fairly, America failed. She put them in chains. The government put them on slave quarters, put them on auction blocks, put them in cotton fields, put them in inferior schools, put them in substandard housing, put them in scientific experiments, put them in the lowest paying jobs, put them outside the equal protection of the law, kept them out of the racist bastions of higher education and locked them into positions of hopelessness and helplessness. The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing ‘God Bless America’? “No, no, no, not ‘God Bless America,’ God damn America. That’s in the Bible, for killing innocent people. God damn America for treating its citizens as less than human, God damn America as long as she tries to act like she is God and she is supreme. The United States government has failed the vast majority of her citizens of African descent.” JAN. 13, 2008 Sound bite: “Hillary is married to Bill, and Bill has been good to us. No he ain’t. Bill did us just like he did Monica Lewinsky. He was riding dirty.” Wright in context: “There is a man here who can take this country in a new direction. But he’s a Black man. There is a man here who is empowered by hope to usher in an era of change in a country that is in desperate need of a change. But he ain’t Black enough. There is a man here who can get Christians, Muslims, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists and persons of no faith to sit down at the table of brotherhood and sisterhood and talk about our common humanity and our common future. But I ain’t gonna vote for him ’cause I don’t want to waste my vote. But Hillary is married to Bill, and Bill has been good to us. No he ain’t. Bill did us just like he did Monica Lewinsky. He was riding dirty.” What did the man say that wasn't true? Commentary...What Rev. Jeremiah Wright really said September 11 Full Sermon Anyone can be made to look like the Devil, and people hear what they want to hear.... |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=am6gOdTDK2Q google is fast & easy... |
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Anything I post on these boards is my opinion only unless accompanied by documented fact. Know that in politics my emotions is with no party. |
What race wars? It is funny that you are the first person to bring up some silly chit like that. You try to make fun but you do so at your peril. You all but admitted that the government has done some pretty shady things yet you call me names for addressing these things? Proven things Mister. The 60s are long gone you say. Okay, but they were doing drug experimentation on Americans as late as 1979 and that can be affirmed by reading the FOIA. I don't think it just Black folks who distribute this information. The 9th District Court of Appeals is not a Black organization is it? If you would place your personal bias to the side you would have read and comprehended that I stated, and the reports state, that this is being done to Americans. In your grasness you even dismiss those who suffered a death by syphilis. That's funny to you?? Those men still have family that is alive right here and now. Some of their families suffer because of those experiments. I usually try to remain mannerable and respectful even to those who disagree with me, but you jasu2 are a stupid ****kk! And seemingly not all that educated because you seem to skip over the parts you don't understand or want to understand. And we also have those like you who likes to wallow in the poop, relishing in the sweetness of the smell. Oh and by the way, those of us who served in Viet Nam could tell you some stories relating to the CIA. WHAT WE HAVE DONE FOR OURSELVES ALONE DIES WITH US;WHAT WE HAVE DONE FOR OTHERS AND THE WORLD IS AND REMAINS IMMORTAL |
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Anything I post on these boards is my opinion only unless accompanied by documented fact. Know that in politics my emotions is with no party. |
Shooternavy: You are correct he did use that phrase and I by no means try to justify that particular statement. Yet, as you read this post;
Why do you believe this man was heralded by President's and Wright has been all but crucified? Both spouted hateful and devisive rhetoric, yet only one gets continuing loops of soundbites. This should be an eyeopener for us all. WHAT WE HAVE DONE FOR OURSELVES ALONE DIES WITH US;WHAT WE HAVE DONE FOR OTHERS AND THE WORLD IS AND REMAINS IMMORTAL |
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Didn't you know MightyB. IOKIYAR It's OK If You're A Republican  |
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