Obstacles ahead for Obama's gay rights goals

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- As thousands gathered Sunday in Washington for a march and rally focused on gay rights issues, lawmakers showed that some of the demonstrators' key goals face major obstacles ahead.

Even with President Obama pushing Congress to repeal the Defense of Marriage Act -- a stance he highlighted to one of the nation's leading gay-rights groups Saturday night, to huge applause -- members of his own party told CNN they're not in lockstep.

"I've said in the past I don't think that's the way to go," Sen. Bob Casey, D-Pennsylvania, told CNN's John King.

He added, "We can move forward on a lot of measures, but I'm not sure there's the support yet for that."

Sen. Debbie Stabenow, D-Michigan, noted that her state is one of many that has a law prohibiting same-sex marriage. "So I think, for a number of us, that becomes a challenge," she said.

Stabenow would not say whether she would vote to repeal the Defense of Marriage Act.

The law, signed by President Clinton in 1996, defines marriage as being between a man and a woman, and ensures that states do not have to recognize same-sex marriages performed in other states. Clinton has since changed his mind, and said he no longer opposes same-sex marriage.

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Nothing worth fighting for was ever easy, this is no exception.

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Clinton has since changed his mind, and said he no longer opposes same-sex marriage

Hmmmmmmm Thats a big change, makes you wonder what Chelsea is up to these days? Maybe he found himself in the same boat as Cheney and now is a supporter? Two faced basturds.

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Clinton has since changed his mind, and said he no longer opposes same-sex marriage

Hmmmmmmm Thats a big change, makes you wonder what Chelsea is up to these days? Maybe he found himself in the same boat as Cheney and now is a supporter? Two faced basturds.

LOL

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Nothing worth fighting for was ever easy, this is no exception.

Who the hell is "Lady Gaga" LMAO anyone watch her "speech"?

Listen up folks. The thing that bothers me (and I do believe most other folks) the most about "Gay" rights, is that the very phrase "Gay Rights" sounds suspiciously as if they want additional or extraordinary "rights".

Do these people really believe that being gay should garner them ANY rights not available to others? In just what way are they to be considered "special"?

Why not go to court, or congress, and simply demand your "Human Rights", or "Citizens Rights"? Demand those rights granted by the Constitution...sorry folks...you really ain't "special"!

Have some fun with it, use the existing laws in possibly novel ways to get what you want...that is what the rest of us have to do. Find an applicable (or close) law, and push for enforcement. Embarrass the law makers and enforcement groups into DOING THEIR JOBS!!

As an American Citizen, you HAVE rights! BUT you ain't something special.

Let me rephrase that a little. As an individual, you may well be special, as a group...no way.

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Originally posted by WilliamMalcomson:
Listen up folks. The thing that bothers me (and I do believe most other folks) the most about "Gay" rights, is that the very phrase "Gay Rights" sounds suspiciously as if they want additional or extraordinary "rights".

Nope...just equal access to the same rights that heterosexuals enjoy. Did you know that it is "okay" in a number of states to fire someone simply for being gay?

Can you name a single "special" right that gays and lesbians are asking for?

Marriage is by definition between male and female. The homosexual agenda calls for acceptance of marriage between same sex couples and equal benefits/entitlements that rewards what many still consider to be a deviant lifestyle.

What I found to be most interesting was when over 100K Conservatices peacefully assembled and protested the healthcare bill, it was barely mentioned by the MSM but let a few thousand rabid homosexuals scream and rant and it gets live coverage. Can anyone say liberal driven, slanted media coverage?

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let a few thousand rabid homosexuals scream and rant and it gets live coverage.

I have pictures of the tea parties, and pictures of this march. I'll post some for comparison later, and we can then judge exactly who was "ranting and raving"

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Originally posted by Bleah:

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let a few thousand rabid homosexuals scream and rant and it gets live coverage.

I have pictures of the tea parties, and pictures of this march. I'll post some for comparison later, and we can then judge exactly who was "ranting and raving"

Pictures of "tea parties" are not pictures of the protest on DC but thanks for trying to bend reality. OH BTW, would that include all of the outsiders being bussed in to make it seem like Barry's agenda was being supported or include pictures showing folks were being kept away from the TV cameras because they did not support Barry and CO?

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Originally posted by SeaWitch1220:

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Originally posted by WilliamMalcomson:
Listen up folks. The thing that bothers me (and I do believe most other folks) the most about "Gay" rights, is that the very phrase "Gay Rights" sounds suspiciously as if they want additional or extraordinary "rights".

Nope...just equal access to the same rights that heterosexuals enjoy. Did you know that it is "okay" in a number of states to fire someone simply for being gay?

Can you name a single "special" right that gays and lesbians are asking for?

Special rights? Yeah, that's an easy one. They want to "marry" another of the same gender. Who else would want such a...."right?"

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Originally posted by Bleah:

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let a few thousand rabid homosexuals scream and rant and it gets live coverage.

I have pictures of the tea parties, and pictures of this march. I'll post some for comparison later, and we can then judge exactly who was "ranting and raving"

According to the D.C. Police there were about 70,000 at the Tea Party March and about 200,000 at the most recent Gay March yesterday.

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Originally posted by Bleah:

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let a few thousand rabid homosexuals scream and rant and it gets live coverage.

I have pictures of the tea parties, and pictures of this march. I'll post some for comparison later, and we can then judge exactly who was "ranting and raving"

According to the D.C. Police there were about 70,000 at the Tea Party March and about 200,000 at the most recent Gay March yesterday.

The liberal bias and slanted coverage is still blatant. The Conservative's peaceful march on DC was barely mentioned at all while the homosexual agenda was give live air coverage.

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Nope...just equal access to the same rights that heterosexuals enjoy. Did you know that it is "okay" in a number of states to fire someone simply for being gay?

Can you name a single "special" right that gays and lesbians are asking for?

I suppose if they were equal we wouldn't be having a conversation about them being equal.

As for the special right they are asking for, that's easy...They are asking to be allowed to openly admit their sexual preference without penalty or persecution.

Problem is, being a heterosexual, if I announce my sexual preference in front of the wrong person I am nailed with sexual harrasment. So why should homosexuals get special treatment? Screw them, they they should have to keep it to themselves, just like us "normal" folks do.

C.R.

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Originally posted by CYCLIC_RUNAWAY:

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Nope...just equal access to the same rights that heterosexuals enjoy. Did you know that it is "okay" in a number of states to fire someone simply for being gay?

Can you name a single "special" right that gays and lesbians are asking for?

I suppose if they were equal we wouldn't be having a conversation about them being equal.

As for the special right they are asking for, that's easy...They are asking to be allowed to openly admit their sexual preference without penalty or persecution.

Problem is, being a heterosexual, if I announce my sexual preference in front of the wrong person I am nailed with sexual harrasment. So why should homosexuals get special treatment? Screw them, they they should have to keep it to themselves, just like us "normal" folks do.

C.R.

I get your point, but no one's saying homosexuals want to just openly announce their sexual preference. How does someone at your job find out your married? They see the ring, or they are a friend and just know it, or you bring your wife to the company christmas party, etc. Gays cant do those things in certain situations because they simply dont have the right to. And where they do, the threat of losing their livelihood looms as a result. No matter what you believe, that's not right, in any way.

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Originally posted by SeaWitch1220:

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Originally posted by WilliamMalcomson:
Listen up folks. The thing that bothers me (and I do believe most other folks) the most about “Gay” rights, is that the very phrase “Gay Rights” sounds suspiciously as if they want additional or extraordinary “rights”.

Nope...just equal access to the same rights that heterosexuals enjoy. Did you know that it is “okay” in a number of states to fire someone simply for being gay?

Can you name a single “special” right that gays and lesbians are asking for?

Special rights? Yeah, that’s an easy one. They want to “marry” another of the same gender. Who else would want such a....”right?”

BRFFFFPT!!!!!

Sorry, that’s incorrect, but thank you for playing!

The gay community desires nothing more than the same right to marry the person they’re in love with, just the same as the heterosexual community does. This is not by any means a “special right”, as it should apply equally to everyone! Currently it does not!

You, and I, and everyone else in this country, assuming they aren’t incarcerated or otherwise legally prevented from doing so, have the right to ride our bicycles from coast to coast. Simply because some people choose not to do so does not make it a “special right” for those who do. Just because you may choose not to marry does not make it a “special right” for those who do.

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The gay community desires nothing more than the same right to marry the person they’re in love with, just the same as the heterosexual community does. This is not by any means a “special right”, as it should apply equally to everyone! Currently it does not!

Again, if it were the same it would be called "marriage" not "civil unions"

The Supreme Court has routinely interpreted "marriage" as between one man, and one woman.

If they don't like it and want to enjoy marriage, they are free to change their sexual orientation.

C.R.

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Originally posted by CYCLIC_RUNAWAY:

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The gay community desires nothing more than the same right to marry the person they’re in love with, just the same as the heterosexual community does. This is not by any means a “special right”, as it should apply equally to everyone! Currently it does not!

Again, if it were the same it would be called "marriage" not "civil unions"

The Supreme Court has routinely interpreted "marriage" as between one man, and one woman.

If they don't like it and want to enjoy marriage, they are free to change their sexual orientation.

C.R.

So you just have a problem with the word they use?

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Originally posted by IHAWKER:

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Originally posted by Bleah:

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let a few thousand rabid homosexuals scream and rant and it gets live coverage.

I have pictures of the tea parties, and pictures of this march. I'll post some for comparison later, and we can then judge exactly who was "ranting and raving"

According to the D.C. Police there were about 70,000 at the Tea Party March and about 200,000 at the most recent Gay March yesterday.

Can't compare because of age group. Tea Party people are older in the working class and they do have a work commitment. Compare the % in the Gay Rights march that are teenagers with no reason for responisibility this time in their lives.

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So you just have a problem with the word they use?

No Sir, I have a problem with them trying to change the Constitution and definitions within, just to suit their personal preference.

C.R.

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Originally posted by SeaWitch1220:

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Originally posted by WilliamMalcomson:
Listen up folks. The thing that bothers me (and I do believe most other folks) the most about "Gay" rights, is that the very phrase "Gay Rights" sounds suspiciously as if they want additional or extraordinary "rights".

Nope...just equal access to the same rights that heterosexuals enjoy. Did you know that it is "okay" in a number of states to fire someone simply for being gay?

Can you name a single "special" right that gays and lesbians are asking for?

SW you do have the same rights as every other citizen. You marry the opposite sex and you get the same benefits as everyone else? Every society decides what is acceptable and what is not and thats what laws are based on. What you want to do is to change the laws to accomodate your lifestyle and thats understandable, but at this point your being denied anthing society has to offer. Its all there for the taking all you need do is qualify

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According to the D.C. Police there were about 70,000 at the Tea Party March and about 200,000 at the most recent Gay March yesterday.

but how many of those tea-baggers are actually closeted gays. lol

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According to the D.C. Police there were about 70,000 at the Tea Party March and about 200,000 at the most recent Gay March yesterday.

but how many of those tea-baggers are actually closeted gays. lol

The ones from Dearborn Michigan?

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Originally posted by CYCLIC_RUNAWAY:

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The gay community desires nothing more than the same right to marry the person they’re in love with, just the same as the heterosexual community does. This is not by any means a “special right”, as it should apply equally to everyone! Currently it does not!

Again, if it were the same it would be called “marriage” not “civil unions”

The Supreme Court has routinely interpreted “marriage” as between one man, and one woman.

If they don’t like it and want to enjoy marriage, they are free to change their sexual orientation.

C.R.

“The Supreme Court has routinely interpreted “marriage” as between one man, and one woman.”
Really? Please provide citations.

So you’re saying that instead of giving women the right to vote, all they needed to do was change their gender? African-Americans only needed to change their race?

It all amounts to the same thing.

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“The Supreme Court has routinely interpreted “marriage” as between one man, and one woman.”
Really? Please provide citations.

So you’re saying that instead of giving women the right to vote, all they needed to do was change their gender? African-Americans only needed to change their race?

It all amounts to the same thing.

It's called the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA), passed in 1996 as Public Law No. 104-199, 110 Stat. 2419 and is covered in 1 U.S.C. § 7, and 28 U.S.C. § 1738C.

It clearly defines marriage as between one man and one woman.

Oh...FYI, Being an African American or a woman is a biological value. Being a homosexual is a choice and still frowned down upon in our society. Hell, even ask the liberal California voters.

Good enough for you?

C.R.

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Originally posted by DaleU:

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Originally posted by CYCLIC_RUNAWAY:

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The gay community desires nothing more than the same right to marry the person they’re in love with, just the same as the heterosexual community does. This is not by any means a “special right”, as it should apply equally to everyone! Currently it does not!

Again, if it were the same it would be called “marriage” not “civil unions”

The Supreme Court has routinely interpreted “marriage” as between one man, and one woman.

If they don’t like it and want to enjoy marriage, they are free to change their sexual orientation.

C.R.

“The Supreme Court has routinely interpreted “marriage” as between one man, and one woman.”
Really? Please provide citations.

So you’re saying that instead of giving women the right to vote, all they needed to do was change their gender? African-Americans only needed to change their race?

It all amounts to the same thing.

So then by your logic, a son should be allowed to marry his mother? Or a father have sexual relations with his of age daughter and not be considered a crime? Why should they be denied thier rights if there consenting adults? Or why cant a person have muliple spouses and collect benefits for eash spouse?

So is really not about being denied benefits or rights its about morals qualifications and laws designed and enforced deemed acceptable by the majority of society.

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Can you name a single "special" right that gays and lesbians are asking for?

Hate Crimes.

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Originally posted by SeaWitch1220:


Can you name a single "special" right that gays and lesbians are asking for

Sure, There asking to be exempt from the same standards the rest of us are bound by. There not being singled out, the same laws and standards apply for everyone. If they allowed it for some and not others , then you might have a case.

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Originally posted by CYCLIC_RUNAWAY:

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“The Supreme Court has routinely interpreted “marriage” as between one man, and one woman.”
Really? Please provide citations.

So you’re saying that instead of giving women the right to vote, all they needed to do was change their gender? African-Americans only needed to change their race?

It all amounts to the same thing.

It's called the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA), passed in 1996 as Public Law No. 104-199, 110 Stat. 2419 and is covered in 1 U.S.C. § 7, and 28 U.S.C. § 1738C.

It clearly defines marriage as between one man and one woman.

Oh...FYI, Being an African American or a woman is a biological value. Being a homosexual is a choice and still frowned down upon in our society. Hell, even ask the liberal California voters.

Good enough for you?

C.R.

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Originally posted by Mom2APAJ:
Marriage is by definition between male and female. The homosexual agenda calls for acceptance of marriage between same sex couples and equal benefits/entitlements that rewards what many still consider to be a deviant lifestyle.

What I found to be most interesting was when over 100K Conservatices peacefully assembled and protested the healthcare bill, it was barely mentioned by the MSM but let a few thousand rabid homosexuals scream and rant and it gets live coverage. Can anyone say liberal driven, slanted media coverage?

I don't believe for one moment that there is wide spread discrimination. What I do believe is that these folks need to feel secure and loved in their lifestyles. California is teaching to young kids the differences; three penguins, LBGT and all. In a few years those kids will at least try some alternate luv'in just to see what it feels like. Can't we all just hug each other and maybe, maybe just love each other... all at once! On the other hand maybe a heavy dose of Salt Peter is in order to calm the herd.