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This is part one of 13 Ill post one a day for those who care to see whats been happening. Its non partisan as far as Im concerned, Its about America has been swindled by the power brokers and what the results will be if not stopped cold
1 *http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDQ6nIsgKW0* |
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Alex Jones? Ahh yes  |
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Part two.
*http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kO2u8TGAZxc&NR=1 |
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Experienced Member ------------------  Proud Member Derelict Veterans Group OF MUNERIS UT TOTUS (Of Service To All) ------------------  |
Put that photo alongside some comments I've read on military.com and it would describe them very well. |
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Part 3 and 4
*http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpe--kkpt7k* *http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpJKGcKl1uY* |
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You are Trick-or-Treating early...or you are totally loosing touch with reality...
If this nation can survive what a morally corrupt Republican Party wrought on it for 12 years, it can survive an administration trying to change that image... Would you have us go back to that? That was the choice we had in November 2007 and the AMERICAN PEOPLE spoke loudly in support of this President and Congress...now get used to it...it is going to be this way for a long time. |
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No they spoke loudly and clearly against George Bush and his policies. Unfortunately they were given a choice between George Bush Jr, (John McCain) and the understudy for modern facism. What choice did they truly have? Both parties are a disgrace to this country and all it stands for. We need another option! I am almost ready for someone to ask the Queen if they would take us back as fifty British Colonies, could not be worse than what we have in Obama at the moment! Frustrated Frisco |
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Frisco, have you been reading up on the current events in Britain??? I wouldn't be so quick to suggest that.
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I agree, Britain's situation is very dire. They are on the brink of being a full oligarchical and tyrannical state at this point. The rights of their people are eroded to almost non-existence. They can wipe their own arse anymore without the state's expressed permission. You cannot even have somebody watch your kid unless they are licensed by the state. I think that much of this is retribution for their reluctance to participate in the "Union". If you want to see the future of our own country, all you have to do is take a gander over the pond. |
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Scratch the last line of my above post. You are correct!
Frustrated Frisco |
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It's ok, I understand the humorous point that you were trying to make. The problem lies in the fact that the world is changing drastically. Your statement would have set much better 10 years ago, when the UK was much more on stable footing. Today, they are under huge pressure from the EU. And, Tony Blair being recommended as the First President of the EU is not helping.
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I think not. Its been sliding now for quite some time and is gaining momentum. What many fail to see or believe is that there all one and the same and its an agenda were looking at. |
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Parts 5-6-7
5 *http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK0B70nO58o 6 *http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30Q17uwwR4E 7 *http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzVB83ccOFE |
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I respectfully disagree. There is no, "momentum," being gained, that is just those who oppose change screaming louder and making more noise. The constant polling reflects this. People may not support everything that this administration is doing, but unlike the obstructionists would have us believe, the American public is more supportive than not. I think the current outrage against this administration is primarily limited to sour-grape whining and has more to do with the president's race and a decidedly more liberal political agenda than anything else. There is nothing happening today or being claimed is happening today that has not been pointed to, whined about, and angered a very small MINORITY of disgruntled Americans every since those who opposed George Washington becoming president number 1. There were those who claimed that George was going to assume the title of King George and that we would have to fight the Revolution all over again. Every election since has echoed the same loud ridiculous apocalyptic message from those who just do not get it that when the American people want change, they will make it happen, and there are those who oppose any change who will start their, "The end is near," whine. If this president does not deliver what the majority of the American people want and expect, he will be defeated and his party will suffer losses in both chambers of Congress. If they are satisfied, even if only partly, he will remain in office and his party will maintain control. It is the American way...just as it is the American way for the sore losers to whine about it. Peace, out |
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So is someone other than obama going to run in 2012? "They love our milk and honey but they preach about some other way of living When you’re running down my country, Hoss you’re walking on the fighting side of me" - - Merle Haggard |
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These are your words. Survive. That sounds like acceptance. I didnt vote for him or McCAINE FOR That Matter but I did give him the benefit of the doubt till It became clear he was no more than a poster boy for affirmative action and a shill for big business with his level the playing field socialist BS. What has he accomplished for this nation in his first year of broken promises? Hes added to our debt and remains focused on Hilliaries heal care reform while our troops continue dieing on foriegn soil and not for this country either. |
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Acceptance? No, try patience...like most Americans, and unlike the Republican obstructionists, I am willing to give this administration some time for its policies to work as advertised and wait and see what happens. Either it does, or he is a one-term president. In the 80s, conservatives told America to wait and see, that Reganomics would work. In the 90s, they told us that the conservative trickle down economic models of the Bush Dynasty was the way to go, but what we really got was the wealthy getting more wealthy and the poor getting more poor...the trickle down was exactly that...a "trickle" for the hard-working middle class and a flood for the elite and Wall Street Fat Cats who bankrolled the Republican Revolution. While you may think you have, the fact is that you haven't given Obama the, "benefit of the doubt," at all. We are not even one year into his administration and the nay-sayers and conservative disinformation machine is already claiming the administration's policies are a failure. And, you are clearly among those who they are targeting, those who are naive enough to listen to their propaganda. No one can say for sure at this early stage that any of Obama's policies and changes are failures...history has clearly taught us that change does not come overnight and it is still too early to accurately gauge the results of the new administration as a complete failure as the hate media pundits like Limbaugh and conservative disinformation machines like FOX "News" would have us believe. Your repeating their rhetoric, parroting their, "poster boy for affirmative action," and, "socialist," labeling is what they want you to think...and believe...and you fell for it. What broken promises are you referring to? Guantanamo? Homosexual rights? Do you actually think he is stupid enough to believe that he can get anything done without compromise? Closing Guantanamo runs into the NIBY mentality. Homosexual rights? That plays smack dab into the strong religious right agenda which is a strong conservative political power base when it is focused. I believe that he will close Guantanamo...just not when he said. I also believe that all Americans, regardless of their sexual preferences will one day have the same rights as any other American, but not this year...or probably next...but it will happen. So, please tell me what promises has he broken? What promises that really matter the growth of America and that will benefit all Americans? Hilary's health care? Again, you naively repeat the obstructionists propaganda. We NEED health care reform, damn the cost! We NEED IT NOW! We NEED the public option for any reform to work! The health care, health insurance, and the pharmaceutical industries are RAPING us and without a public option, they will continue to stick it to us and tell us that it is for our own good. These industries are pumping $MILLION$ into disinformation with the goal of defeating any reform. They want to keep the status quo and are paying politicians in both parties to insure that there is no change, and if there is any change, it will not be enough to matter a damn. So, either you are content with totally substandard health care at premium costs with no promise that it will be there when you need it most, like it is now, or you are demanding change...and, it looks to me like you are content to gamble with your life in the hands of the health industry profiteers. That brings us to Afghanistan...now there is a topic that I may surprise you on. I believe that if we leave the Taliban and al Qaeda intact, they will attack us again. I believe that if Bush had not turned away from taking care of business there when bin Laden was there to be taken, and al Qaeda was there to be destroyed, we would not have to be there fighting them now. As it is, I do not like it that Obama is waffling, but because of Bush's bungling in Iraq, we are still fighting in Afghanistan and public support is faltering. The simple fact is that we cannot leave. We need to put a million boots on the ground there and in Pakistan if necessary to destroy that threat once and for all. We cannot support a corrupt regime in Afghanistan nor can we support the warring tribal system that has ruled Afghanistan for centuries. What we have to do is to find a system or a leader that the Afghanistan people will rally around. Maybe you are right and the only thing we can do now is to pull out and let the Taliban and radical Islamic terrorists groups return with their terror regime. But the threat will remain and grow. Then maybe the people of both of our countries will realize that war kills people, and sometimes those people are innocents, but war also brings peace...something that the Afghans have not known for generations. Your avatar is a powerful reminder of what happens when we do nothing. It also should remind you and all those who would have us leave Afghanistan with the terrorists that attacked our country growing stronger every day that we have to do everything to insure that it does not happen again. |
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Are you saying political campaign contributions to the Va Gov race leading republican candidate from Goldman Sachus could possibly be corruption? |
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Well, any way you look at it, I could never figure out why Labor supported the Democratic Party from Clinton on when it was the Democratic Party that was working so hard to ship all the illegal aliens in and all the heavy manufacturing jobs out to China - go figure!
I guess they wanted to trade working for straight welfare so nobody had to work at all - -  Wandering and Wondering |
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Ridiculous!  Do you REALLY believe this BS? Seriously, if you really do believe this crap, then you are way past thinking and evaluating our country's situation for yourself and are just letting the rightist propaganda machine do your thinking for you. |
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We dont have the luxury of time to wait and see how things pan out while our troops are dieing every day. I think our differences lie in the fact that Im not totally convinced we didnt allow 9/11 to happen or worse yet perpetrate it from within along with Israel to gain public support to use American troops to fight Israels enemies in an illegal war. Obamas prime broken promise is transparency in government since were still all in the dark left to speculate and hes failed to pursue the criminal acts of the previous admin. Without Truth and justice this nation will never be whole and remain divided with our earned credibility gone. |
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Unions like government are representative bodies and are not necessarilly the voice of the memberships. Its all about deals. That is one of the factors that caused the split in the AFL-CIO a few years ago, The automatic traditional support of the democratic party. |
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Was it also disinformation that Mr. Obama passed along with his speech when he said that illegals wouldn't be covered in the health care bill? Skinman....you strike me as someone who likes to be well versed on a subject. You would at least research to make sure your bases were covered, right? Don't you think it odd that someone who SHOULD know constitutional law (in fact taught a course in it) doesn't know it? At the very least, he could have checked with Kathleen Sullivan. (As I understand it, he once considered offering her a position....and I believe that she IS an expert on constitutional law.) "They love our milk and honey but they preach about some other way of living When you’re running down my country, Hoss you’re walking on the fighting side of me" - - Merle Haggard |
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Obama said that illegal immigrants will (future tense) not be covered by future health care legislation, whatever form it takes...and since there is no health care reform, then how has he passed on disinformation?? I totally fail to see your logic here...you claim administration presenting disinformation about health care reform but as of yet, there has been no health care reform legislation for any intentional or unintentional disinformation about any specific point to be proved... And exactly where and on what level does the US Constitution get involved? I keep hearing conservatives bringing this up but with no supporting argument for the point. Here, you are also presenting your opinion on this Constitutional issue point without offering any background information to even explain the basis of your point, let alone tying it together to support your point...I cannot counterpoint what you are thinking, only what you present. |
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Comon now Skin your playing with words now and you know it as well as we do. He said what he said as Aggie pointed out and his bill says otherwise if passed. That talking out of both sides of his face. The Constitution is very much involved with a president deliberetly lieing and misleading the people. |
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Until the legislation is passed and implemented, there is no way anyone can honestly claim that the administration deliberately lied and misled the public. The obstructionists and rightist disinformation machine is claiming this and those who are repeating it are guilty of believing what they want to believe and what they are told to believe and not waiting to see what is fact. And, in what way and how is the Constitution involved? I keep seeing this claim but yet to see anyone support that argument with anything substantial that can be argued. All I keep hearing and reading is that it is unconstitutional...All I am asking is for those claiming this to present their argument with some merit. My questions are, how so is health care reform unconstitutional? What part(s) of the proposed plans are unconstitutional and what part(s) of the Constitution are involved, and why? |
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What exactly do you think the bill says? My reading of it indicates that illegals might be able to BUY insurance at full market rates - impoverished citizens may get a subsidy based on their income, but illegals won't. I'm having trouble seeing why this is a horrible thing. But even that is unlikely to stay in place. I believe the Senate is working on an amendment that'll add an ID requirement, so that illegals won't even be able to buy the insurance at full price. The only way illegals will get any treatment is to go to the emergency room - where existing laws say they cannot be turned away - and pay the much higher emergency room prices. Those who can't pay will still get treatment under the already-existing laws, but the hospitals will have to eat the cost, which will then be passed on to other consumers and taxpayers, thus raising prices for everyone. I'm not sure why anyone thinks that's a good idea. Perhaps you can explain it to me, John. |
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That would create an interesting circular relationship, as we appear to be the 51st state of the USA. |
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Bollocks! Do you, by any chance, get your view of the UK from the Daily Mail? |
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