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Originally posted by DarbyDub:
It's a non-issue. The folks that sign up for the service know their phone calls are going to be listened to and ads that coincide with the coversations will be flashed to them on their computer screen.

It's not sneaky at all, so what's the issue?

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Originally posted by scoutsout1:

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Originally posted by DarbyDub:
It's a non-issue. The folks that sign up for the service know their phone calls are going to be listened to and ads that coincide with the coversations will be flashed to them on their computer screen.

It's not sneaky at all, so what's the issue?

I never said it was sneaky, it is right here in the article for all to see. How will they insure your conversation remains private? If money can be made on this, what type of eavesdroppping will be next?

I just find it ironic that people get pizzed when the Government says some need to be monitored with oversight for security reasons, yet, people do not care about eavesdropping in general, do you not see the issue here? If not it is called Hypocrisy!

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Originally posted by DarbyDub:

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Originally posted by scoutsout1:

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Originally posted by DarbyDub:
It's a non-issue. The folks that sign up for the service know their phone calls are going to be listened to and ads that coincide with the coversations will be flashed to them on their computer screen.

It's not sneaky at all, so what's the issue?

I never said it was sneaky, it is right here in the article for all to see. How will they insure your conversation remains private? If money can be made on this, what type of eavesdroppping will be next?

I just find it ironic that people get pizzed when the Government says some need to be monitored with oversight for security reasons, yet, people do not care about eavesdropping in general, do you not see the issue here? If not it is called Hypocrisy!

It's only hypocrisy if I've made my views known regarding the government eavesdropping. I have not.

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Originally posted by scoutsout1:
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/070924/ads_that_listen.html?.v=4


You see, it is not only the Government who wants to eavesdropp on suspected TERRORISTS from incomming foreign calls, now we have companies that feel the NEED to target YOU!


I am OK with the Government doing it under the circumstances with oversight, but is this really necessary? I say NO!


Thoughts???

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Originally posted by nurse_attorney:

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Originally posted by scoutsout1:
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/070924/ads_that_listen.html?.v=4


You see, it is not only the Government who wants to eavesdropp on suspected TERRORISTS from incomming foreign calls, now we have companies that feel the NEED to target YOU!


I am OK with the Government doing it under the circumstances with oversight, but is this really necessary? I say NO!


Thoughts???

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Thoughts? You're nuts. This is a company that will give you a FREE long distance phone call over the internet in exchange for making you watch ads. No "real" person is listening in - the guy is trying to promote his voice recognition software, which is what is "eavesdropping" on the call and linking to, hopefully relevant, advertising material.

Don't want ads? Don't use this service. Period

That is a far cry different from the US equivalent of the KGB listening in on phone calls with the purpose of learning what you're up to.

When an internet software program has the power and means to have me arrested and held for years without charge or access to an attorney or my family even knowing where I am, I'll start to get worried. Until then, you're nuts.

There are SOOOOO many things to get worked up about and you come up with the goofiest stuff. I don't know which is worse, this or the old people and their freebie doughnuts.

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Originally posted by scoutsout1:

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Originally posted by nurse_attorney:

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Originally posted by scoutsout1:
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/070924/ads_that_listen.html?.v=4


You see, it is not only the Government who wants to eavesdropp on suspected TERRORISTS from incomming foreign calls, now we have companies that feel the NEED to target YOU!


I am OK with the Government doing it under the circumstances with oversight, but is this really necessary? I say NO!


Thoughts???

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Thoughts? You're nuts. This is a company that will give you a FREE long distance phone call over the internet in exchange for making you watch ads. No "real" person is listening in - the guy is trying to promote his voice recognition software, which is what is "eavesdropping" on the call and linking to, hopefully relevant, advertising material.

Don't want ads? Don't use this service. Period

That is a far cry different from the US equivalent of the KGB listening in on phone calls with the purpose of learning what you're up to.

When an internet software program has the power and means to have me arrested and held for years without charge or access to an attorney or my family even knowing where I am, I'll start to get worried. Until then, you're nuts.

There are SOOOOO many things to get worked up about and you come up with the goofiest stuff. I don't know which is worse, this or the old people and their freebie doughnuts.

Goofy to you, so what. . .The retired people deserve respect not regulations from you Liberals that feel you need to force what is best on the indavidual all the time (Liberties my arse).

They live in a facility. The facility has decided it will no longer accept truck loads of junk food donations (some of which have mold on it - did you even read the article). No one is telling these folks they can't buy and eat all the frigging donuts they want! No on is inhibiting anyone's "liberties."

As for the eavesdropping, there is no guaruntee that a live person will not be listening, as well as the possiblilities of a decent hacker breaking into the database and stealing conversations for blackmale or whatever.

That's true of any use of modern communication modalities. Don't want to be eavesdropped? Use the cone of silence.

Even though it may not be in your book to the same level as the intercepting of foriegn terrorists phone calls (probably because you feel there are no terrorists) it is still equal on a privacy (non existant right in my book) level as how I compared it.

Here's the simple difference: You are TOLD this is how the service works. You then decide if you want to use the service. DOn't like it? DOn't do it. Nothing sneaky about it.

AS for people being locked up, if they are found to be linked to TERRORIST NETWORKS then I am glad they are being removed, as to no longer be able to harm Americans or any innocent people for that matter!
This I completely agree with.

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Originally posted by scoutsout1:
People like nurse are scared that they will be locked up. Unless one is breaking the law or conspiring to break the laws of the land, why the need for fear?

Should be NOTHING to fear in a country with an open and honest government with appropriate checks and balances in place. That's why I believe checks and balances SHOULD be utilized. Here's the flip side - if the government is really just listening in on known terrorist with only the best of intentions, why the refusal to accept appropriate Constitutionally mandated judicial oversight? Only reason for that is if the government is up to something else. We certainly known in the past the CIA stalked and keep files on law-abiding US citizens for no other reason than their political beliefs. You should be correct. We shoul not need to fear our government unless we are guilty of some crime. Unfortunately, only a fool is that trusting. Power corrupts.

A phone call or any form of communications (like posting here) should be and is open to anyone with the right equipment, anyone who thinks otherwise is either not real tech smart/savvy or they are nieve...Even if the feds (or any authorities) were to eavesdropp on you, they could not use any info obtained on you without having a warrent prior to the eavesdropp, so it really matters not unless you talk to or associate with Terroists!

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Originally posted by scoutsout1:
There has to be some thoughts on corperate public spying???


Anyone, for it seemed a hot topic when the Government started doing it against suspected Terrorists!

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Originally posted by liberal90:
You're assuming the calls are stored in some way.

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Originally posted by nurse_attorney:
Should be NOTHING to fear in a country with an open and honest government with appropriate checks and balances in place. That's why I believe checks and balances SHOULD be utilized. Here's the flip side - if the government is really just listening in on known terrorist with only the best of intentions, why the refusal to accept appropriate Constitutionally mandated judicial oversight? Only reason for that is if the government is up to something else. We certainly known in the past the CIA stalked and keep files on law-abiding US citizens for no other reason than their political beliefs. You should be correct. We shoul not need to fear our government unless we are guilty of some crime. Unfortunately, only a fool is that trusting. Power corrupts.

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Originally posted by alcyone:

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Originally posted by liberal90:
You're assuming the calls are stored in some way.

ALL call records are stored(for 7 years). It's a federal law. The CONTENT can be SAMPLED and recorded on a massive scale.(As done for many years by the NSA) ALL transatlantic/pacific calls were routinely monitored for YEARS, well before 9/11, as well as ALL major domestic switching centers were sampled (but not all conversations could be monitored of course as the traffic was simply too large AT THAT TIME)
God knows what resourses they have NOW for monitoring since the current administration has been in power.

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Originally posted by SeaWitch1220:

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Originally posted by nurse_attorney:
Should be NOTHING to fear in a country with an open and honest government with appropriate checks and balances in place. That's why I believe checks and balances SHOULD be utilized. Here's the flip side - if the government is really just listening in on known terrorist with only the best of intentions, why the refusal to accept appropriate Constitutionally mandated judicial oversight? Only reason for that is if the government is up to something else. We certainly known in the past the CIA stalked and keep files on law-abiding US citizens for no other reason than their political beliefs. You should be correct. We shoul not need to fear our government unless we are guilty of some crime. Unfortunately, only a fool is that trusting. Power corrupts.

I just thought this deserved to be out there all by its lonesome in BOLD!!!

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Originally posted by scoutsout1:
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I do not believe the Government desires under Bush to just listen in on everyone randomly, and I also understand what they are saying when they say they do not have time to aquire a warrant in todays fast paced information and communications world. A Terrorist can use a pre-paid cell phone once, chuck it, then call someone else on another pre-paid cell phone immediately to follow, how do you obtain a warrant to a specific number/line under this kind of condition? It needs to be realtime otherwise it is worthless!

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Originally posted by JakobA_DK:

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Originally posted by scoutsout1:
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I do not believe the Government desires under Bush to just listen in on everyone randomly, and I also understand what they are saying when they say they do not have time to aquire a warrant in todays fast paced information and communications world. A Terrorist can use a pre-paid cell phone once, chuck it, then call someone else on another pre-paid cell phone immediately to follow, how do you obtain a warrant to a specific number/line under this kind of condition? It needs to be realtime otherwise it is worthless!

That would be a good argument if the rules at least demanded post factum warrants. As matters stand today they can listen in on anyone and dont have to tell anyone about who they listen in on or why. No oversight requirement whatsoever.

And however much you trust the government under Bush, you should keep in mind that Bush will not last forever, and whoever comes after him will inherits the rules he made. Will you have the same trust in "the government under Hilary" ?

Here in DK we once had kings that owned everything and everybody absolutely. And some of those kings were good. Ruled the country with intelligence and compassion. But that did not make up for the ones that were less good, and nowadays we have done away with that sort of absolute kingship. Checks and balances are there for a reason.

regards JakobA

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Originally posted by scoutsout1:

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Originally posted by SeaWitch1220:

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Originally posted by nurse_attorney:
Should be NOTHING to fear in a country with an open and honest government with appropriate checks and balances in place. That's why I believe checks and balances SHOULD be utilized. Here's the flip side - if the government is really just listening in on known terrorist with only the best of intentions, why the refusal to accept appropriate Constitutionally mandated judicial oversight? Only reason for that is if the government is up to something else. We certainly known in the past the CIA stalked and keep files on law-abiding US citizens for no other reason than their political beliefs. You should be correct. We shoul not need to fear our government unless we are guilty of some crime. Unfortunately, only a fool is that trusting. Power corrupts.

I just thought this deserved to be out there all by its lonesome in BOLD!!!

I do not believe the Government desires under Bush to just listen in on everyone randomly, and I also understand what they are saying when they say they do not have time to aquire a warrent in todays fast paced information and communications world. A Terrorist can use a pre-paid cell phone once, chuck it, then call someone else on another pre-paid cell phone immidiatly to follow, how do you obtain a warrent to a specific number/line under this kind of condition? It needs to be realtime otherwise it is worthless!

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Originally posted by OldUSAFSniper:
Here we go... YOUR country is the evil one... YOUR country is the one with all the nefarious intentions... YOUR country is doing everything it can to infringe upon your freedoms. Since someone has the power to do something, it HAS corrupted him and we must do everything in our power to undermine his evil intentions... Now if you were talking about lawyers, I would go along with it.

Good God Alcyone... I really believe you do all the stuff you talk about. I really do because I really believe that you believe the horse manure you write on here. Some paranoid redneck in Oklahoma is very high on the CIA's watch list...

Holy paranoia Batman, is the CIA REALLY going to listen into my phone calls? Why yes Robin, the CIA is bad... very bad... and they are out there waiting for just the right moment to listen into your phone calls, kidnap you in the middle of the night, and make off with your CD collection.

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Originally posted by OldUSAFSniper:
Confidential to Alcyone:

Just a thought: You spend time saying words like kill, nuclear weapon, and such to get the computers at NSA to hit on these phone calls. The net effect is taking up time and manpower away from something that might be beneficial to the country. Why would you do this? What is the reasoning behind it? Because you can? It does not benefit either you, the nation, or society as a whole... It is in fact impeeding the war on terror.

I would think that we might want to have the NSA looking at phone calls that MIGHT just benefit the nation. You know, a terrorist cell that is planning to detonate a dirty bomb... or something like that.

Who are you trying to teach a lesson to? Are you afraid in fact that you are insignificant and therefore want to put yourself in the limelight? I submit that you do this because in fact if YOU had this power, it is how you might indeed act.

Alcyone, I refuse to let you or anyone else for that matter show me just how half-empty the glass is. This is a great nation... I believe that the people who do have this power, are basically good and want this nation to be strong and safe. Even as a cop for 20 years and seeing what I have seen, I believe in the greatness of this country and of its people.

I feel truly sorry for you...

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Originally posted by scoutsout1:

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Originally posted by SeaWitch1220:

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Originally posted by nurse_attorney:
Should be NOTHING to fear in a country with an open and honest government with appropriate checks and balances in place. That's why I believe checks and balances SHOULD be utilized. Here's the flip side - if the government is really just listening in on known terrorist with only the best of intentions, why the refusal to accept appropriate Constitutionally mandated judicial oversight? Only reason for that is if the government is up to something else. We certainly known in the past the CIA stalked and keep files on law-abiding US citizens for no other reason than their political beliefs. You should be correct. We shoul not need to fear our government unless we are guilty of some crime. Unfortunately, only a fool is that trusting. Power corrupts.

I just thought this deserved to be out there all by its lonesome in BOLD!!!

I do not believe the Government desires under Bush to just listen in on everyone randomly, and I also understand what they are saying when they say they do not have time to aquire a warrent in todays fast paced information and communications world. A Terrorist can use a pre-paid cell phone once, chuck it, then call someone else on another pre-paid cell phone immidiatly to follow, how do you obtain a warrent to a specific number/line under this kind of condition? It needs to be realtime otherwise it is worthless!