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MoveOn.org Calls Petraeus a Traitor
Do Democrats in Congress agree?
by Pete Hegseth
09/09/2007 5:28:00 PM
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Tomorrow--as General David Petraeus provides his Iraq assessment to Congress--the antiwar group MoveOn.org is running a full-page advertisement in the New York Times under the headline: "General Petraeus or General Betray us? Cooking the books for the White House."

Let's be clear: MoveOn.org is suggesting that General Petraeus has 'betrayed' his country. This is disgusting. To attack as a traitor an American general commanding forces in war because his 'on the ground' experience does not align with MoveOn.org's political objectives is utterly shameful. It shows contempt for America's military leadership, as well as for the troops who have confidence in him, as our fellow soldiers in Iraq certainly do.

General Petraeus has served this country for over 35 years with honor, distinction, and integrity. And this is not just about General Petraeus. After all, if General Petraeus is "cooking the books," then the entire military chain of command in Baghdad, and all the staff, military and civilian, who have been working with General Petraeus are complicit, since Petraeus did not write his report in isolation. They are all, apparently, 'betray[ing] us.'

MoveOn.org has been working closely with the Democratic congressional leadership --as an article in today's Sunday New York Times Magazine makes clear. And consider this comment by a Democratic senator from Friday's Politico: "'No one wants to call [Petraeus] a liar on national TV,' noted one Democratic senator, who spoke on the condition on anonymity. 'The expectation is that the outside groups will do this for us.'

So, veterans who served in Iraq ask the Democratic leaders in Congress: Does MoveOn.org speak for you? Do you agree with MoveOn.org? Or do you repudiate this despicable charge?

MoveOn.org has helped frame the core choice: Whom do we trust to run this war--MoveOn.org and its allies in Congress, or Gen. David Petraeus and his colleagues?

Pete Hegseth is executive director of Vets for Freedom and an Iraq War veteran.

Just proves that people within our own country want us to fail.

MoveOn.org has crossed the line with this ad. I'm hopeful that even many lefties will agree.

There is know doubt that General Petraeus is a man of honor. To say or suggest other wise is just plain wrong!

So much for the laws of treason, why have them if you are unwilling and unable to use them?

These looney clowns should be locked up for their treasonous actions!

Even if one is against the actions of our elected Government, they can voice their OPINIONS at the polls come voting time (when their say really counts, unlike today, as it is used to persuade Americans to their views (propaganda/slander) as well as too aide the enemy by showing their unwillingness to finish the necessary and LEGAL war), to undermine the war efforts is an act of treason, period!

what a bunch of wackos...

Yes they are a little (actually way) too whacko for me.

I find it odd though that the General believes that we might be able to reduce troops in the spring. Can't wait to hear the argument there. seems the surge is to give the Iraqi government time to meet the benchmarks they said they were going to make....yet they don't seem to be doing anything. They have had two years to pass the legislation that they believe is required....and yet have not passed anything.

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Originally posted by dmuhler:
Yes they are a little (actually way) too whacko for me.

I find it odd though that the General believes that we might be able to reduce troops in the spring. Can't wait to hear the argument there. seems the surge is to give the Iraqi government time to meet the benchmarks they said they were going to make....yet they don't seem to be doing anything. They have had two years to pass the legislation that they believe is required....and yet have not passed anything.

Now this is a fair and legitemate response over the war in Iraq (concern/questions to be answered), too bad more people can not show concern in a polite non treasonous and slandering way!

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Now this is a fair and legitemate response over the war in Iraq (concern/questions to be answered), too bad more people can not show concern in a polite non treasonous and slandering way!

Agreed.

hell our own congress cant pass laws.

The oil bill in Iraq is pretty devisive and has stalled the whole process.

Yes I would hate to be called a traitor. Still I think it is our duty to question authorities when we believe things are wrong. Always have and always will.

The oddest thing I see here is why are we basing war stategy, on tactical successes?

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Originally posted by dmuhler:
Yes they are a little (actually way) too whacko for me.

I find it odd though that the General believes that we might be able to reduce troops in the spring. Can't wait to hear the argument there. seems the surge is to give the Iraqi government time to meet the benchmarks they said they were going to make....yet they don't seem to be doing anything. They have had two years to pass the legislation that they believe is required....and yet have not passed anything.

From everything I have read, he has not said reduce troop levels in Iraq, it is reduce troop levels in some areas. Most likely those troops will be moved to other areas or held as a reserve.

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Now this is a fair and legitemate response over the war in Iraq (concern/questions to be answered), too bad more people can not show concern in a polite non treasonous and slandering way!

Agreed.

hell our own congress cant pass laws.

The oil bill in Iraq is pretty devisive and has stalled the whole process.

Agreed.

I don't understand why they don't just partision the county off. Seems to me that it is almost there already.

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Yes I would hate to be called a traitor. Still I think it is our duty to question authorities when we believe things are wrong. Always have and always will.

The oddest thing I see here is why are we basing war stategy, on tactical successes?

Problem is moveon is not charged with anything thing but speaking for a fringe. And frankly since Gen P hasnt even spoken they need to stfu! And that goes for the others that are slamming him. Which started 2 wks ago.

will see if moveon is condemned by dems...i think not, maybe a handful. but right now the front runners are sucking moveons azz.

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Originally posted by GunnyRet03:

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Now this is a fair and legitemate response over the war in Iraq (concern/questions to be answered), too bad more people can not show concern in a polite non treasonous and slandering way!


Agreed.

hell our own congress cant pass laws.

The oil bill in Iraq is pretty devisive and has stalled the whole process.


Agreed.

I don't understand why they don't just partision the county off. Seems to me that it is almost there already.

Other countries in the region dont want that.


on the congress thing. I just feel when our congress slams the Iraqi congress it is so hypocrtitical, vacations, passing bills. Remember our congress runs out of town like little schoolgirls everytime theres a bomb/bio scare. While the iraqi congress is getting blown up.

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Other countries in the region dont want that.

Now that is funny. Who cares what the others countries want? I say let them come in and do the heavy lifting if that is what they want.

The reality is that the country has already been softly partitioned.

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Now that is funny. Who cares what the others countries want? I say let them come in and do the heavy lifting if that is what they want.

The reality is that the country has already been softly partitioned.

True, but we cant move unilaterally can we

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The oddest thing I see here is why are we basing war stategy, on tactical successes?

A good and interesting question, and one I doubt will see much debate outside of our own circles.

I think it comes down to our fundamental position at this time being reactive rather than proactive (there have of course been exceptions to this, most notably the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq); we really cannot formulate a strategy until we can at least agree upon certain basics. And right now we can't seem to politically agree that there really even IS a need for a strategy (withdrawal would still be pretty much a tactical matter).

And assuming we agree that the need exists, just how the Hell are we to formulate a strategy against an enemy we dare not name? Anyone? Potter? Potter...?

Yes, Moveon.org has cross the line for sure.

ipw

Well the only name we have in this war is OBL. I see the president from time to time seems to think it is important to get him and others times does not. A couple of the republican candidates seem to think he is unimportant.

We may need to rethink that one. As for Iraq, I don't think the Iraqi's really want the same thing as we do....so who is kidding who?

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Originally posted by dmuhler:

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Other countries in the region dont want that.

Now that is funny. Who cares what the others countries want? I say let them come in and do the heavy lifting if that is what they want.

The reality is that the country has already been softly partitioned.

Who cares what other countries want as you put it, I agree, as long as the outcome helps stabilise the region as a whole, not add to the turmoil, frustration, and confusion.

If you remember, it was the Left who complained that we acted without the best wishes of the rest of the World in our action there, what makes you think they (the Lefties) would support your conclusion now???

Iraq may appear to be politically predisposed to ethnic partition, but I think a growing number of Iraqis, including some leaders, are gradually realizing that a federated republic might just be the best if imperfect solution, given the nature of their regional neighbors....

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NGVlNTM2NzgwN2Q1Yj...NTlmNGI3OGMxNmFmM2M=

"With its full-page “General Betray Us?” ad in the New York Times, MoveOn.org has once again put itself at the forefront of the antiwar movement. And if past patterns are any guide, a number of Democrats are embarrassed, and even angered, by MoveOn’s actions but are afraid to reveal the true extent of their feelings. MoveOn simply has too much fundraising clout — and a fear-inducing inclination to attack Democrats who stray from the MoveOn line —"

IT'S ABOUT TIME FOR SOME LEFTIES TO STAND TALL AND SAY THIS IS TOO FAR! Will it happen?

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Originally posted by ipw533:
Iraq may appear to be politically predisposed to ethnic partition, but I think a growing number of Iraqis, including some leaders, are gradually realizing that a federated republic might just be the best if imperfect solution, given the nature of their regional neighbors....

I see no evidence that the leaders of Iraq think of this as their best bet. As a matter of fact Maliki made some comments a few months ago almot welcoming us to leave...that seems to indicate that once would do leave we will see the tyranny of the majority.

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With its full-page “General Betray Us?” ad in the New York Times, MoveOn.org has once again put itself at the forefront of the antiwar movement. And if past patterns are any guide, a number of Democrats are embarrassed, and even angered, by MoveOn’s actions but are afraid to reveal the true extent of their feelings. MoveOn simply has too much fundraising clout — and a fear-inducing inclination to attack Democrats who stray from the MoveOn line —"

political suicide.

http://pol.moveon.org/feedback/fb/form.html?tp=suggest

Send the bastards at Move On dot a message!