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==http://washingtonindependent.com/55152/cato-institute-finds-180-billion-benefit-to-legalizing-illegal-immigrants While I see the economic "benefits" of legalizing those who broke the law to get here ... I'm not convinced it is in the best interest of the country. To grant amnesty to illegals essentially "blesses" lawbreakers, and I can't reconcile that in my head. My mama raised me to follow the rules, stay on the straight and narrow, and not to break the law. Those who don't, pay the the price. And the above "plan" would do the opposite. IMO |
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 I guess one's POV depends on what one holds most important in life. I side with you. Values (and our justice system) trump $$$ any day of the week. |
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yeh, and the stimulus was going to work to.
8 mil? What about the other 12mil? You dont reward law breakers agreed. I dont care if letting them stay but money in my pocket the sovereignty of this country is more important, US-not for sale. But if we let them stay and get a path all those people who legally applied from o/s and ones that are here waiting legally and f'd! They will have to wait even longer, and some have been waiting for decades. ANd that is not acceptable. How would the ones in Mexico feel if the Govt said hey we already have 10-20mil of your people so since we are going to let them stay all paperwork filed in mexico and visas have here by been cancelled, your country has made you 50yr quota. People think pls! |
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Does anybody believe the Obama Administration will be lured by the "bottom line" quoted by CATO?
I don't. |
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Someone has to pay for health insurance for All.
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Oh, the illegals are going to be taxed huh, at what 75%? If you taxed the wealthy at 100% it wouldnt pay for this. 'ALL' 47 mil is all? Out of that what is the real number? It aint have of that. Beside most of America has HC. Peddle it somewhere else. So, d69 thinks we need to keep illegals to pay for HC that we dont need. Clean up the waste in the system and fraud and get rid of the burdens on the system(illegals). problem solved. |
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Therein lies the dilemma: ARE those illegal workers -- who pick the produce and keep prices down at the grocery store -- TRULY a burden? Who is willing to pay $1.00 for a single apple or a plum? |
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Well, they are not going anywhere any time soon so, might as well make money out of the deal.
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Wow, if I am reading what you psoted correctly, you are all for exploiting illegal aliens? Isn't that what businesses have done and part of the reason we have an immigration problem in the first place? Todays politics remind me of an old saying. - "Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have guns, why should we let them have ideas?" - Joseph Stalin |
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Everything is about money, right? or is it race? I'm pro-amnesty |
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No it's not about either. It's about breaking the LAW. Todays politics remind me of an old saying. - "Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have guns, why should we let them have ideas?" - Joseph Stalin |
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And employers (who exploit them) break the law precisely because it IS about "money". IMO. |
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I agree, according to his post, he has no problem with that as well. I do. This message has been edited. Last edited by: L0A1, Todays politics remind me of an old saying. - "Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have guns, why should we let them have ideas?" - Joseph Stalin |
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For Democrats, it's about votes - 10 million more of them - -
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The long term costs and the loss of our sovereignty, would outweigh the benefits i think... I live right in the middle of town but I still have peach plum fig and pomengranet trees, and a 20' by 20' garden patch out back, so I can live off canned stuff from the store and pick my own fresh produce if it came down to it.
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Seems that the stupid and the crooked are getting all sorts of rewards as of late. If you run your company/bank into the ground we'll bail you out. If you bought more home then you could afford we'll bail you out. If you have an old clunker we'll give you money. If on the other hand you live within your means, run your company properly, or buy reasonable vehicles, well tough crap.. Here's the bill. Its the wrong freaking message. This message has been edited. Last edited by: floersh, |
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since when do LANDED immigrants get to viote.. they have to be "citizens" to do that one... |
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I only read what you posted, but I think you have it wrong. They are not saying legalize the illegals, but to me it was saying legalize more immigrant workers. If we opened up for more legal immigrants we would be better off. I have always agreed with this, make it easier for them to come work here, or even to try to gain citizenship. I still think anyone who broke the law needs to be sent away and not allowed to return. Forget the dog, Beware of Owner |
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Whats Obama and others dems trying to do?....Path to citizenship. But you didnt know that right?  |
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Exactly, I dont have a problem with bringing in people who apply legally as long as they arent the sick, lame and lazy. At least there would be checks and balances but this prison break on the border has got to stop and people have to go back and employers need to be hammered. |
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This is how I have felt and said all along. I don't care if they are green with pink pokadots, if here legally, I welcome them. It is the illegals of all races that need to go. Also, those hiring the illegals need to be hammered. I also think the process should be simplified to the point that it does not take years to gain citizenship if so desired.  |
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What is so important about the Rule of Law? Since when does the Rule of Law constitute what is moral? What an individual feels and believes is moral is what is truly moral! That is my personal opinion about the Rule of Law. That being said I also believe in being honest and taking full responsibility for each and every action. I fail to see why so many people define their sense of right and wrong by whatever the current law is.
So much talk about breaking the law and sending the wrong message. This and that. Is it some sort of priviledge to work for peanuts in the United States? Someone shows up at your door and says, "Hey I'll clean your house, scrub your floors, do your dishes if you buy me a sandwich." Are you going to tell them NO? Fill out this form?? Give me a break. America has always rewarded the go-getters. Not the people who play by the rules, the people who play it safe. Maybe it's not such a good thing if we lose that freewheeling spirit to strict adherence to rules and regulations. |
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Well now ... you make an interesting argument. Forget the law ... and tell me if cutting in front of others waiting to buy a ticket is moral and right ... |
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If you're asking me personally, I say generally no. I'd have to have a real good reason to engage in that type of rude activity. However what I might personally do has nothing to do with what others might do, therefore what I personally believe is irrelevant. |
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Make up your mind. I have a hard time reconciling that ... with this from your earlier post:
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I would not have a problem if they came and knocked on my door and said that, I do have a problem when they break in my back window and then demand to be fed. Forget the dog, Beware of Owner |
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I think you misunderstood. My answer to your question is irrelevant to the point I was making earlier. What does it matter what I personally think about cutting in line in front of others? Just because I act in a certain way doesn't mean I expect or necessarily think others around me should do the same. How many here have ever broken a speeding law...well you might answer that going 5mph over the speed limit is not akin to what an illegal immigrant does in openly flaunting our laws. To that, I would respond if there are different gradations to the law, then there are different gradations to each person's potential to be an American citizen. So if this is really about observing decorum and protocol then we should take it on a case by case basis, interview each person, and, if they look like they could be a potentially upstanding citizen, offer them a choice. Something lopsided, to let them know we value civics and decorum. $25,000 fine and 3 months in jail OR 50 hours of volunteer work and American history classes and civics classes. |
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To which I would reply ... let them go home, file an application, and put them in line with those that have already applied. Illegals climb on the backs of their fellow countrymen that attempt to take the principled route to admission. |
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you point out the difference between what is the law and what is moral, but then don't discuss the moral side at all.
You talk of someone knocking on your door asking for work (even if it is for food) but then ignore that what most of us had already said, we have no problem with the ones who come knocking at the door. The law is not the issue, I feel I have a moral right to decide who can and can not come into my house, and I reserve the right to confront and eject anyone who come into my home without asking and without my consent. and no, I would not let them stay if they had a time out in the corner, took a deportment class, and memorized my family photo albums. Forget the dog, Beware of Owner |
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So it's about fairness then? Making this more fair to those who take the principled route to admission? By no means should we diminish the significance of taking the principled route. I myself am an immigrant who took the principled route to admission, as you say (I was a newborn and my parents waited 5 long years). However, if we truly wanted to be fair to those waiting in line, we would have approached the problem differently from the get-go. At this stage of the game, deporting them would be a pyrrhic victory for fairness. We have much more to gain as a nation by trying to integrate these people into the country as best as possible. America is supposed to be a beacon of light, the last great hope for the world. We don't want to look like *******s. We have a reputation to uphold. We run a great risk of damaging our society if we give the impression that America is some sort of exclusive club. We're not an exclusive club. We welcome you with open arms. That's what is says on the statue of liberty, isn't it? |
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Military.com Forums Hot Topics & Current Events Point-Counterpoint $180 billion benefit to economy if illegals made "legal??
