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If you don't believe it, ask a sitting federal judge or call the U.S. attorney for your district.

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So the idea that the military was taking the arms of the New Orleans citizens after Katrina is in error. The NG that was not mobilized by the President was called to action by the governor. They were not military. They were a state agency.

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So the idea that the military was taking the arms of the New Orleans citizens after Katrina is in error. The NG that was not mobilized by the President was called to action by the governor. They were not military. They were a state agency.

I could be wrong, but I do believe the NG was federalized in New Orleans. ( I was deployed elsewhere then) But units from my state (California) responded. I think they'd have to be federalized.

Either way, when someone in BDUs with a name tape above his pocket that says U.S. ARMY (that's U.S. as in United States)takes your gun...or kicks your dog, or drinks your beer, and gooses yer mom, does it really matter what title of the US code he's operating under?

If he wasn't operating under federal authority he was operating under federal blessing and knowledge.

Now I'm not saying any of those things happened (looked like cops to me in the video), but trying to legally differentiate and exploit the derivations of a military forces' authority; led to the world seeing men wearing uniforms that said U.S. Army, drive Bradleys and a Combat Engineer Vehicle into a building to pump in CS gas...which one way or another precipitated an inferno that burned 60-odd women and children...American citizens...to death at Waco.

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Originally posted by PeteCDR:
I think, Snake, you are just another of those "military-haters" who try to buy into any story that demonizes the armed forces and push an agenda. Either way, get the facts before pushing statements like "military confiscating all firearms after Katrina." You are not being accurate.

WTF?

You don't know how to look at a profile? You sure are a sensitive little man.

My point was it WAS THE GOVERNMENT that took those firearms from "average joe". My "agenda" is that I WILL die by the hand of my own government if they tried that with me, and it's not just a slogan. Get a grip.

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If you don't believe it, ask a sitting federal judge or call the U.S. attorney for your district.

Oh no I believe it, I was just pointing out that legaleze rarely redefines reality. An armed body of men in uniform, with military training, equipment, and a chain of command is a still a military force no matter what title USC it derives it's authority from, be it title 10, or title 32. The Guard is still a military force when the Governor is it's CinC.

It is most definitely NOT a police force. (But is often required to fulfill limited police duties) I know this because during the LA Riots we had to have LAPD officers with each platoon to make arrests legal and binding.

I wonder, what legaleze was employed to allow the U.S. Cavalry to hunt outlaws post Civil War.
I know the 11th Cavalry, a Federal unit did so in the early 1900s.

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Originally posted by SwtDivaLove:
A lot of times, here in the forums, we talk about the left, the right, the inane, the insane, the democrats, the republicans, the extremisms, the ups-n-downs of the American people.

But, there is one thing that is truly lost in the chaos between good and evil, the left and the right.

There is something missing, the middle. Mr. Average Joe American. Usually right around middle class, has a mortgage, car, a dog/cat, 2 kids and a wife.

A lot of times we talk about the extremisms of the left and right, but Mr. Average Joe American, right there in the middle of nothing but chaos who goes to work and pays his bills, taxes and whatever else he needs.

We forget about him, because there is no real outcry from middle America. The blue collar workers who keep us going through the drudgery of our lives here in America.

You could say that he really doesn't care much about politics, nor what the candidates have to say, because he knows better than to believe any politician.

With things like Hillary and John speaking of a gas tax holiday with Obama not jumping on the bandwagon and other things these candidates boast about what they will do, and mostly just fall completely short of any mark that they actually will say or do.

Do you think that Mr. Average Joe American cares about what these candidates have to say? Probably not, because like a lot of middle America, there is no real voice and outcry.

What would Mr. Average Joe American get upset about politically? The loss of jobs, his company cutting back with a possibility of being laid off from work because companies continue to outsource to other foreign companies. Mr. Average Joe American will be looking at losing his pension, his medical care for him and his family. With the possibility of job loss through cutbacks might mean he might lose his house and car. The stress he may endure if he does get a pink slip, and have to hit the streets after being on his job for so long and having to find a new job and start all over again. But this time, he is having a hard time finding a new job because so many companies are outsourcing to foreign countries, leaving Mr. Average Joe American struggling with him and his family.

Mr. Average Joe American is now lost his house, lost his car, lost his medical, lost his pension all at the hands of companies who have outsourced to foreign countries.

So, this leaves him on unemployment, food/stamps, welfare, no medical insurance to cover him and his family.

And, we sit here debating about what is going on in our country, and we only need to look at the people who is truly causing the issues for average Americans.

It doesn't matter which side of the aisle you sit on or how far to each side you decide to place yourselves. It just boils down to Politicians only looking out after themselves and forgetting the people who actually voted them into office.

It's time for a change America, and it is up to us, the middle America to let our voices be heard.

Op-ed by, yours truly, SDL

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That's pretty fricken "elitest" if you ask me.

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What do you think of the police & military confiscating all firearms after Katrina?

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I think that puts to rest definitively the notion that the NG and the military function in the same way. They do not.

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What I did was attempt to define that there is a difference between the military and the NG, even though Joe Sixpack middle America see no difference. It is there. It behooves us to educate him as to the true nature of things and correct his erroneous image. There are those, however, who jumped in and claim that they are one and the same. I disagree.

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However, it really looks like we are exporting jobs instead of mercantile.

While Joe Sixpack (as you put it) is a middle American, growing cotton in Texas, instead of shipping that cotton to be processed in China, it could very well be processed right here in the United States and also turn that processed cotton into T-Shirts right here in the United States and giving Americans jobs, instead of the Chinese.

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Originally posted by SwtDivaLove:
However, it really looks like we are exporting jobs instead of mercantile.

While Joe Sixpack (as you put it) is a middle American, growing cotton in Texas, instead of shipping that cotton to be processed in China, it could very well be processed right here in the United States and also turn that processed cotton into T-Shirts right here in the United States and giving Americans jobs, instead of the Chinese.

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The Congress can pass the law, but when challenged it may not be constitutional or legal.