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there are only HAVES and HAVE NOTS...

Until you go to a place like Iraq, where "have nots" is completely redefined.

I became very jaded there. Not by anything I saw there, but from what I read and saw happening here, from there.

If I could choose what I fought for next, it wouldn't be for your freedom, it wouldn't be for your prosperity, but for America's grip on reality.

I really can't sympathize a whole lot with a middle class-half of whom would be pacified with enough gas to keep their quad-runners from gathering dust in the garage this summer...and the other half so full of ego they believe they're saving the world by buying carbon off-sets and driving straight to a non-denominational Heaven in their Prius...Believing of course, the whole time, that the men and women fighting and dying as they try to stabilize and establish influence in the world's most volatile repository of religion and natural resource...are engaged in folly.
And therefore should be "supported" by nothing more than what amounts to pity for their "plight".

Maybe I'm all jacked up. I'm just a guy with a wife, two kids, a mortgage, a car, a dog, a cat, and alternately conflicting feelings of elation and disgust that I live amongst my fellow Americans.

I still laugh when I hear about the poor in America. No where else in the world to the poor have two cars, cabel and air conditioning.

I have been places where their are poor. thatch homes with dirt floors. A coleman stove meant you were well to do. shoes were a luxury

What country are you living in? Sheep was addressing so called middle class. The middle class in America are rapidly moving to the "poor" category and taking up residence at shelters because their home was foreclosed on and thier car was repossessed.

There are always the outliers that abuse the system. The problem YOU have is once one person abuses the system you assume that all are. WRONG answer shipmate. Take off the blinders and visit a homeless shelter near you. I'm sure it will be quite an eye opening experience.

I keyed in to the "Until you go to a place like Iraq, where "have nots" is completely redefined. " line. I am pretty sure you did not write it so why do you assume you know what the poster intended?

I am not sure what abusers you are talking about, but you have no clue what I was talking about, so you worry about what you say don't try to put any words in my or anyone else's mouth, you don't do it very well.

I have spent plenty of time at homeless shelters. We do have some in this country who are truly poor, but most who are considered poor in the US are well off by world standards. Maybe you should take your blinders off and go to some part of the world that really has poor.

Most of the homes that are being foreclosed on now are due to the fact that they agreed to pay much more than they could afford for a home. I was ready to buy a home several years ago. I saw that the prices were not realistic and decided to wait until the bubble I saw burst. I am no economist but I could have told you this was going to happen 6 or 7 years ago.

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I still laugh when I hear about the poor in America. No where else in the world to the poor have two cars, cabel and air conditioning.

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What they have done is NOTHING.Nothing of import anyhow.Partisan bickering.Wasting time and money.Getting caught with their d*cks in the snugglebunny while preaching high standards and sacrifice to the rest of us.Taking soft money and voting to assuage the corporate lobbies while the middle class dwindles in number.You want links and specifics?Look 'em up.
What do they have comming?
Their walking papers.Plain and simple.
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Wow! This thread has gone south. What the hell do you people want from our Government?



I am in debt...[my own fault] and live paycheck to paycheck. I have vises that cost me bookoo bucks every week. I have kids that need a little help now and than. Mortgage, car payments cable bill...etc...


My point is, those are MY responsibility. The average joe like me, should only be concerned about two things from our Government. Protection and taxes. I have not seen an attack since 9-11 and I will be getting some of [my own, the way I see it at least] money back from the Government pretty soon.


I don't see any radical form of Government taking over anytime soon. Most of us "Joes" know poloticians are corrupt. GO VOTE! TELL EVERYONE YOU KNOW TO VOTE. Do what is within your power to make a difference.


Oh...and go have a beer and enjoy life a little!

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What I want from the government is to do what the majority wants without trampling the rights of the minority, and to spend within the budget they are given, vice their current and long standing trend of spending far beyond the level of available funding while accomplishing little to nothing of import and even less in regards to bettering the nation.

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What I want from the government is to do what the majority wants without trampling the rights of the minority, and to spend within the budget they are given, vice their current and long standing trend of spending far beyond the level of available funding while accomplishing little to nothing of import and even less in regards to bettering the nation.

like my right to smoke my right to eat transfat junk food ....

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What I want from the government is to do what the majority wants without trampling the rights of the minority, and to spend within the budget they are given, vice their current and long standing trend of spending far beyond the level of available funding while accomplishing little to nothing of import and even less in regards to bettering the nation.

like my right to smoke my right to eat transfat junk food ....

Depends who you work for. Although, many companies just charge a higher premiuim for healthcare depending on your personal risk factors. Does that work for you or do you believe that everyone working at a company should pay equal premiums even if the behavior of a few results in higher premiums for all?

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I feel you rm444, I'm getting 24 OT this week...had 12 today, and 12 more sat. night... It's a killer, but it's what it takes to make the bills and be able to keep going to work...

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ah hell its been one of those weeks for me also Tuesday went to the dr. for my monthly visit and then went and spent the day in the hospital.... also went and got an application for a volunteer for the boy scouts so next Tuesday i will go in for an interview to become a volunteer if i have a choice i want to be an assistant webelos den leader... oh man i had so much fun as a kid when i was in weblos so hopefully i can return that and help other kids have as good of a time as i did.... well we shall see next week...

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thank you sdl i just hope it all works out....

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Depends who you work for. Although, many companies just charge a higher premiuim for healthcare depending on your personal risk factors. Does that work for you or do you believe that everyone working at a company should pay equal premiums even if the behavior of a few results in higher premiums for all?

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Best of luck Outlaws, I help out with my old pack and troop when I can(unofficially, I haven't had time to go do all the volunteer signup stuff yet). I'll tell you, it is alot more work on the adult end than I thought it'd be, but it is worth it, just to see how those kids light up about things that many of us tend to take for granted, like a few hour long fishing trip, or a short hike, heck, even over something as basic as the way they beam when they say the pack/scout law. Every time I see it, it takes me back, reminds me of all the fun times and the camping, and yes, even the work of an eagle project(still standing I might add)... You'll work hard, and won't even think about the work, just the pure pleasure of giving a little something to someone who will cherish what you have to share.

Quick sidenote, my old scoutmaster is still the scoutmaster down here, and she's also moved up to helping on the council level too, I hope I have that sort of fortitude.

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Best of luck Outlaws, I help out with my old pack and troop when I can(unofficially, I haven't had time to go do all the volunteer signup stuff yet). I'll tell you, it is alot more work on the adult end than I thought it'd be, but it is worth it, just to see how those kids light up about things that many of us tend to take for granted, like a few hour long fishing trip, or a short hike, heck, even over something as basic as the way they beam when they say the pack/scout law. Every time I see it, it takes me back, reminds me of all the fun times and the camping, and yes, even the work of an eagle project(still standing I might add)... You'll work hard, and won't even think about the work, just the pure pleasure of giving a little something to someone who will cherish what you have to share.

Quick sidenote, my old scoutmaster is still the scoutmaster down here, and she's also moved up to helping on the council level too, I hope I have that sort of fortitude.

i just hope my disability dosent prevent me from being able to volunteer.... lots of stuff i cant do... i asked the district director if it would be a problem that i was disable but he said it wasnt as long as i could breath.... so when i go and see him tues i will discuss it with him along with what my duties will be...