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Far East Ambassador and Cultural Liason Has Been 4  |
The messiah is saying he is going to help the poor and middle class (redistribution) No thanks. Ob has all these great plans(not) why isnt he there in the senate right now doing this? Why didnt he put these wonderful little plans thru before in bill form? |
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Maybe he has been filibustered by his constituents? We honestly do not know what any of our Senators do in congress, honestly. Personally, I think our Senators and Congressperson should put up a monthly statement of what they are working on and what they are doing. |
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Far East Ambassador and Cultural Liason Has Been 4 |
No he hasnt been filibustered, his record like all of them is there to be viewed. I know what mine are doing, I keep track and when all 3 were starting their campaigns up I started paying attention to them. |
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You may not know what they are doing or thinking but you should know how they are voting or if they are voting. http://www.votesmart.org/ |
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Gunny... While I agree with you, you need to realize this...
The voice of Middle America is not being heard through the rhetoric of the Left and Right sides of the aisle to a deafening tone. Of course, the media doesn't help... It's biased to the far left or the far right. There is truth in reporting, but it is also biased. |
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Far East Ambassador and Cultural Liason Has Been 4 |
Schwing! |
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Senators: 2.2:1 Democrats
House of Reps: 3:1 Democrats Senate Leadership: 3:1 Democrats There is almost NO Republicans in our leadership, and has been that way for quite awhile. It has been this way since the 80's. With a majority of the state voting for Democrats, what chance is there of a Republican governor, Senator or Representative in Oregon? Virtually, NILL. Oregon is an OVERLY liberal state to its own demise. But, Average Joe American refuses to shut up both sides of the aisle and usually just goes with the flow. We definitely need a change, and as much as I believe Barack Obama lacks leadership qualities with the McClinton's thinking of a 'gas tax holiday' that will only hurt us all in the end, at least Obama is saying that it is wrong, and how much it will only save us 'maybe' $30. And, you know what? HE'S RIGHT! Will he be the voice of Middle America? God, we can only HOPE! Because as it is looking now, I really don't want either McCain or Clinton in office. |
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Far East Ambassador and Cultural Liason Has Been 4 |
Gee, people are living in the streets, people are starving $30 dollars goes a long for some, besides its more like $50. Ob wants to raise taxes on everything including gas. So, yeh he's got a great plan. Personally all 3 are full of shiite on the oil plans, but at least mccain says he will look into drilling. |
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$50 to consume even more gas and to get people out on the roads. Yeah, that's smart. The 'gas tax holiday' will hurt us in the end, plain and simple. Why doesn't the government just send each American a check for $50? Same thing, it will only hurt us in the end. But, who will be the voice of middle America? McCain? Clinton? Obama? |
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Far East Ambassador and Cultural Liason Has Been 4 |
Never said I like the idea. $50, think of the poor people! They need to get to their minimum wage jobs or their babies will starve! Thats $50 they can buy milk and diapers with you're so cold-hearted  Here The Messiahs voting record. Look at how many NV's (no votes). http://www.votesmart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=9490 |
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REGARDLESS, you are MISSING the point. |
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Time for another look at what I wrote:
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Yea Obama's track record on Energy is quite pie in the sky. I will give him credit though. He has not yet ruled out Nuclear Power. Obama is a big supporter of BioFuels. And he wants to reduce Carbon Emissions 80 Percent from 1990 levels by 2050. Wonder how he is going to make that work.. He of course is in favor of Universal Health care. Hes got some sort of tax plan that is said to cut $80 billion in taxes for Poor and Middle class. But he doesn't mention who is middle class and who is not. Of course he is against renewing Bush's tax cuts. They are estimating Obamas positions will increase the federal budget by nearly $300 billion. And since he will not allow deficits that obviously means generating $300 billion more in tax revenue. Obama is for giving illegal immigrants a legal path to naturalization. He is for giving illegals drivers licenses. However, he was also for building the fence along the Mexico/US border. He is also for penalizing employeers of illegals. Obama called for an expansion of the United States Armed Forces "by adding 65,000 soldiers to the Army and 27,000 Marines". Obama also stated that as President he would consider military action in Pakistan in order to attack al-Qaeda, even if the Pakistani government did not give approval. He would also deploy at least two additional brigades to Afghanistan to re-enforce our counter-terrorism operations. And he would pull us out of Iraq using a phased withdrawl. He seems to be pretty pro Israel. As a state legislator in Illinois, Obama supported banning the sale or transfer of all forms of semi-automatic firearms, increasing state restrictions on the purchase and possession of firearms and requiring manufacturers to provide child-safety locks with firearms.[108] He supported a ban on the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns. Obama believes the death penalty is used too frequently and inconsistently. However, he favors it for cases in which "the community is justified in expressing the full measure of its outrage. Obama voted in favor of the 2006 version of the Patriot Act.[130] He voted against the Military Commissions Act of 2006[131] and later voted to restore habeas corpus to those detained by the U.S. (which had been stripped by the Military Commissions Act).[130] He has advocated closing the Guantanamo Bay detention camp, but has not supported two specific bills that would have done so. He is pro union, minimum wage increase, etc. He believes he can increase jobs via clean technology manufacturing and wide spread broadband deployment. On social security he is against privitization. He is for increasing the maxmium payment from $97k upward. He is against increasing the retirement age. he is for eliminating income tax on seniors making less than $50k/year. He is planning on making retirement pensions a requirement for all employeers. Using IRAs or whatever. It is optional for the employee of course. he plans on providing matching funds at 50% up to $1000 for families earning under $75k/year.. Doesn't mention if thats the government or hes forcing it on employeers. He also plans on giving the national gaurd a seat at the joint chiefs.. Thats an interesting idea. Oh and he admits to smoking pot in college and plans to reduce the number of people in prison for posession of small amounts of drugs (particullarly pot).. And for all you space nuts. (I'm one too).. He plans to delay the production of America's next space vehicle by 5 years to pay for some of the above.. Doesn't sound like hes much interested in going to the moon either.. But he hasn't said as much.. Is it just me or has he completely forgotten the small business owner?? Seems the bulk of America's future is being neglected. Wonder where these new jobs are gonna come from? Of course you can get more at http://origin.barackobama.com/pdf/ObamaBlueprintForChange.pdf This message has been edited. Last edited by: floersh, |
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Things will get better.
The Clintons and Bushes have divided this country to rule it, using Atwater, Carville, Morris, Rove and the rest of the liars. Whether you're for McCain or Obama, you can rest easy that both are better than what we've been living through the last 20 years. |
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I wish politicans would quit using abstract terms like rich and poor and start defining exactly what that means to them. At what income level is a family or individual considered rich?
From the tax rebate program I can only assume the definition laid out there is the base.. |
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Weps--
This thread is about the average American Joe and ranger was sitting here and telling us that he, an average American Joe was tired of the government and such and was going to do something about it one way or the other and he said it on several of his post here---seemed to me, he was advocating an armed revolt against the American government by the pissed off folks of middle America and I was just curios as to whether he was going to lead that revolt or was he just mouthing off. No baiting, just askinga question based on his post about overthrowing the government.  |
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Where are the Carriers? |
The Founding Fathers made allowances for us to defend ourselves against our own govt.Did they not?
Of course, anyone who takes up arms will be called a terrorist or rebel. DC needs a wake-up call.They have it comming. "Thank you, for your support." - Bartles & Jaymes |
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Sadly, they would probably send in the FBI, ATF, Local Law Enforcement and considers us like Ruby Ridge. |
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Oppppss. It seems Obama is really really against oil companies. Except of course the ones donating to his campaign.
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-money24apr24,0,2613458.story I guess anything that looks to good to be true probably is.. Opps did I say that. But he is also for a windfall tax on oil company profits.. http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080425/ts_alt_afp/usvoted...senergy_080425211322 So who knows whats going on in his head. Seems like the a typical politician to me. |
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