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Thanks Boss, I know you do. Gotta run for now. Thanks for listening. That alone restores some of my faith in the US this morning. People like you all.
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20 day warning. Calling out another member. Sept 24, 2008 FPM |
Very sorry you see things that way. It must be awful. Buck up Hawk. Things will get better in January 2009. Of this, I'm sure. |
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Do you really believe that or are you just playing to your political ideology? |
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Buck up? Better in 2009? Yes Weps, it is awful.
You are part of the problem with the partisan rhetoric. You and those like you on both sides make this the situation it is. I read all your posts. You are the polarizing force in this country that helps create these issues. Why can't you see that? Go ahead, Bush bash all you want to (you will anyway). Do you really think these 3 candidates are the best this country can produce? Thanks for nothing Weps, you just keep everyone inflamed and firmly in their camp. See what this gets us all one day. Awful, yep. Thanks for making fun of it. A serving officer, vet of two wars makes this statement and you make a snide, shizzy, political remark. Thanks, glad I was not under your command. I can almost hear your thoughts..........me, me, me. You will get your wish in November to be sure. And that, after all, is our guiding star. Right? Question is, will the US be any better for it?
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20 day warning. Calling out another member. Sept 24, 2008 FPM |
I really believe things will be better starting in 2009. It may be psychological at first, but tangible changes will soon occur and I believe America will be better off when they do. |
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Besides, are any of you going to convince me that one man, one president, got us where we are now?
One man, no matter how jacked up, can't do this kind of damage. That was a team effort. Go ahead and bash him. But in the interest of fair play and intellectual honesty you had better look to your own party as well. They helped get you here too. Or are you afraid to admit this to yourselves? |
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20 day warning. Calling out another member. Sept 24, 2008 FPM |
Seems like their is no pleasing you. What will it take to make the Hawk happy and to see a brighter future? For me, it's knowing that in January 2009, things will change. Sorry it will be just another day for you. |
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Good for you. Maybe things will get better, maybe you are right. I sure hope you are. It won't happen while we are sniping at each other all the time. You know, like we do right here. Your sarcasm speaks volumes, however.
The embittered, hopeless middle roaders might just kick your party to the curb in Novemeber. Had this ever occured to you? I would not be quite so smug if I were you. |
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Guys... While what you are saying is "ON TOPIC", I believe the message I was saying is being lost in translation some.
It's about the voice of middle America, not what this or that party will do. If you are not sure what it is that the message was trying to say, then please re-read the OP and ask questions, k? |
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The "average Joe" does care. He's an average Joe cause he's not taking up the flag for the left or the right, but for what's right.
I come on P/CP all the time and read, but rarely write. What I do see is a bunch of nonsense. Calling democrats or republicans dumb when it's simply for the sake of name calling for another party. Then some of the off the wall comments people make is further confusing. It's easy to spout off on here and maybe that's what a lot of you are using it for, but it's just looks dumb. When a person comes on here and talks of revolt...yeah, right, fat chance. Like someone else said, there's not 3 people here (which probably represents a lot of views on the outside) that can agree.......and they damned sure can't agree without putting a bunch of spin on it. Average Joe is busy making a living, taking care of business and will make his mark at the voting booth. He may or may not take up marching in the streets, but most won't. He is concerned about the price of gas, because he's having to pay for it. He is concerned about making the notes on his house, because he IS paying for it. He probably wasn't dumb enough to buy into a flexible mortgage because it seemed like such a great deal at the time. (Remember, if it looks too good to be true, it probably is). The average Joe will vote and participate, but won't be in a picket line....he doesn't have the time. He is concerned about all the issues stated on here, but just isn't going to stand up and appear to be dumb....remember, open your mouth and remove all doubt? I think that most Average Joes realize that, even though he doesn't like a lot of things, there's not really a helluva lot he can do about it. Right now, I don't like the choices for president....either side. But, for the life of me, there's not one damn thing a person can do, except vote for the least damaging. Sitting around complaining about all the trivial junk that I see is really changing the world, isn't it? Back to gas. I own a motorcycle for several reasons. One of which is that it costs a lot less to operate. Most other countries have millions of people riding bikes....not Harleys, but bikes, less than 150cc. And, they do that rain or shine. It will be considerably harder to do in the states, because of extremely cold weather or snow and ice. But, if you want to invest in something, you should think about motorcyle dealerships........they're coming! Yeah, I consider myself an average Joe, though I'm upper income....for the time being. |
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Thank you, and a very good topic it is.
I think the message is right there, we have no voice. We are pigeonholed into one party or the next. Forced to choose the money elite with no other real option besides apathy. Most of us are the middle roaders. I myself am quite liberal in many regards and very conservative in others. I don't see now or for some time a candidate that reflects the veiws of the average person. Instead, we are forced into polarization, caught between the two extremes. Common sense is the first victim, civility is the next. This exchange between me and Weps is proof of that. Great subject and thank you for it. |
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Hawk166, you are very welcome. I often read a lot of threads here and other places on the net, and they are usually media driven like a lot of the threads on this site. Hardly ever does someone here op-ed their own work. There are a couple, but they do not post quite as much as some do. I choose to author my own work, and once in a blue moon toss in an article that I may find interesting. One of the points I was getting at is that I am tired of hearing the extremes of both sides of the aisle, and because of that, it drowns out the what little voice there is in the middle. |
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20 day warning. Calling out another member. Sept 24, 2008 FPM |
The buck stops with him. He chooses his advisors, he chooses what advice he will and will not heed. He chooses what Generals he will and will not listen to. He sets policy and he has the ability to veto and legislation that comes before him. He even has the ability to create signing statements to enable him to pick and choose what legislation he'll follow and what he thinks he's above. Go ahead, cast blame on others, but at the end of the day, President Bush made it clear to the world and you, that he" "the Decider". |
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We can cast dispersions on this or on that, or a combination of both. But, you are missing the point, WepsFP. The point is that the voice of middle America is not being heard over the ranting and the ravings of the extremists on the left and right of the aisle at a deafening tone. |
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20 day warning. Calling out another member. Sept 24, 2008 FPM |
Here's the deal and I firmly believe this in my heart of hearts. Obama is looking looking out for middle America. I think he is a different kind of candidate and I'm not ready to discount him before he's had a chance to implement a single policy. I don't see this as picking a staus quo guy and I certainly don't see this as picking the lesser of evils. I really am sorry that you don't have that peace of mind and that your outlook is so damn bleak. I understand though, I was there in 2004. It's been a long 4 years for people that knew what the end result of the Bush Adminstration would be. |
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20 day warning. Calling out another member. Sept 24, 2008 FPM |
I think you're wrong and why are you attempting to speak for all of middle America? Middle America are turning out to vote in record numbers. To say they don't care is inaacurate. What is your explaination for that?? |
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20 day warning. Calling out another member. Sept 24, 2008 FPM |
Let me qualify my last post. You are correct. Middle America's voice is not being heard by those currently in the White House. I beleive the Democrats are listening to middle America and thier concerns resulting in record voter turnouts. |
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What extremes is anyone hearing about from the right? Do you not realize the psychology behind the propaganda? The federal gov't was |
