September 25, 2009

Sen. John Ensign (R-Nev.) received a handwritten note Thursday from Joint Committee on Taxation Chief of Staff Tom Barthold confirming the penalty for failing to pay the up to $1,900 fee for not buying health insurance.
Violators could be charged with a misdemeanor and could face up to a year in jail or a $25,000 penalty, Barthold wrote on JCT letterhead. He signed it "Sincerely, Thomas A. Barthold."
The note was a follow-up to Ensign's questioning at the markup.

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By Carrie Budoff Brown 11:40 AM


September 24, 2009
Americans who fail to pay the penalty for not buying insurance would face legal action from the Internal Revenue Service, according to the Joint Committee on Taxation.
The remarks Thursday from the committee's chief of staff, Thomas Barthold, seems to further weaken President Barack Obama's contention last week that the individual mandate penalty, which could go as high as $1,900, is not a tax increase.
Under questioning from Sen. John Ensign (R-Nev.), Barthold said the IRS would "take you to court and undertake normal collection proceedings."

Ensign pursued the line of questioning because he said a lot of Americans don't believe the Constitution allows the government to mandate the purchase of insurance.
"We could be subjecting those very people who conscientiously, because they believe in the U.S. Constitution, we could be subjecting them to fines or the interpretation of a judge, all the way up to imprisonment," Ensign said. "That seems to me to be a problem."
Ensign's argument , however, wasn't persuasive to the committee -- which rejected an amendment from Sen. Jim Bunning (R-Ky.) to eliminate the individual mandate.
Sen. Olympia Snowe (R-Maine) was the only Republican to vote with Democrats to preserve the mandate.

Sucks to be a harddick young sucker...time to pay. Elections have consequences and no new taxes and crap...

I guess we'll all have to get use to wearing our trousers backwards and get use to the 'big green wienie!

I heard that between numbers on Dancing With The Stars, Tom DeLay was heard to say:
"It's about time those pantywaist ************* took their ********** majority for a walk. The coulda had this done in July if they'd had the balls.

Nobody would have twisted me around like that!"

I guess I will be going to jail then because as far as I am concerned Congress can take this law and shove it where the sun don't shine.

I am perfectly happy with what we have and I do not give a damn if it falls within what the government will require. I refuse to comply!

Frisco

quote:

Originally posted by FriscoLady01:
I guess I will be going to jail then because as far as I am concerned Congress can take this law and shove it where the sun don't shine.

I am perfectly happy with what we have and I refuse to comply!

Frisco

I saw that you took down your original post===I took down my reply as well.

I respect your anger, but I respect even more that you reconsidered what you wrote.

quote:

Originally posted by Yooper_tj:

quote:

Originally posted by FriscoLady01:
I guess I will be going to jail then because as far as I am concerned Congress can take this law and shove it where the sun don't shine.

I am perfectly happy with what we have and I refuse to comply!

Frisco

I saw that you took down your original post===I took down my reply as well.

I respect your anger, but I respect even more that you reconsidered what you wrote.

Yeah I am a bit (abit?) angry over this and when I am angry I do tend to go overboard.

Thought better of it.

Thank you for taking down your reply as well.

Simple fact, we left Europe in 1964 for a freer society, I was 11 then. I remember very little about the health care system, politics there, etc. But what I remember of it, even in then West Germany I will not tolarate here.

Frisco

Aw wait, your pickin on the poor Dumbocrats, who wrongly think everything they do is right.

Must suck to be a Dumbocrat now, seeing your elected officials FORCING something down the citizen's throats. But hey, thats the Dumbocrat way.

I suspect, I'm not suggesting, there will be a revolt.

quote:

Originally posted by fishnfanatic:
Aw wait, your pickin on the poor Dumbocrats, who wrongly think everything they do is right.

Must suck to be a Dumbocrat now, seeing your elected officials FORCING something down the citizen's throats. But hey, thats the Dumbocrat way.

I suspect, I'm not suggesting, there will be a revolt.

I suspect your suspicion is correct.

Frisco

quote:

Originally posted by fishnfanatic:
Aw wait, your pickin on the poor Dumbocrats, who wrongly think everything they do is right.

Must suck to be a Dumbocrat now, seeing your elected officials FORCING something down the citizen's throats. But hey, thats the Dumbocrat way.

I suspect, I'm not suggesting, there will be a revolt.

Sure there will. Glenn Beck will lead the charge and be the first to be blooded. Michael Steele will provide strategy, Michelle Malkin the tactics....

I tolerated eight years of the gutting of the Constitution, the economy, and any standing the US held in the rest of the world under a moron pulled around by the nose by some sort of half-devil/half-cyborg.

I got over it. You will too. Cowards make half-azzed threats of revolution when they don't get their way at the polls. Real Americans plan for the next election, raise money, find candidates who will see things their way, and affect real change.
They've been doing it for more than 200 years--don't think you're so unique.

quote:

Originally posted by Yooper_tj:

quote:

Originally posted by fishnfanatic:
Aw wait, your pickin on the poor Dumbocrats, who wrongly think everything they do is right.

Must suck to be a Dumbocrat now, seeing your elected officials FORCING something down the citizen's throats. But hey, thats the Dumbocrat way.

I suspect, I'm not suggesting, there will be a revolt.

Sure there will. Glenn Beck will lead the charge and be the first to be blooded. Michael Steele will provide strategy, Michelle Malkin the tactics....

I tolerated eight years of the gutting of the Constitution, the economy, and any standing the US held in the rest of the world under a moron pulled around by the nose by some sort of half-devil/half-cyborg.

I got over it. You will too. Cowards make half-azzed threats of revolution when they don't get their way at the polls. Real Americans plan for the next election, raise money, find candidates who will see things their way, and affect real change.
They've been doing it for more than 200 years--don't think you're so unique.

Revolts come in many formats. Rick Perry as Governor of Texas is already told Washington that he will NOT cooperate with the enforcement of the healthcare law as they currently stand - if at all.

And yes the government in Washinngton will withold Federal funds to to Texas.

I sat down this morning and started writing Governor Perry a letter reminding him of what Colorado almost did in the 1990s. I remember this happening and am in the process of researching the cite for the state law in question.

The state of Colorado was in a fight over some matter with the Feds, and the Feds were going to withhold Federal funding to Colorado.

The law was introduced into the Colorado state legislature directing that the state would collect all Federal taxes on everything but personal income tax and put it into a state escrow account. At the end of the fiscal year the state would deduct the exact amount of what the feds withheld and pay them the remainder.

The law passed the lower house of the Colorado legislature but not the upper house.

I am going to research, write, and mail my letter to each state governor, their representatives, and to my representatives here in California. Not that it will do any good in California.

On an individual basis we have no intention of complying with any of the provisions of any Health care law passed by this Congress and signed by this administration.

Yes my husband and I are willing to take the consequences, however I am hoping enough states like Texas) and citizens will refuse to obey that the feds will be overwelmed and unable to enforce the law.

Henry David Thoreau is a personal hero of mine. He opposed the Mexican War and went to prison over it. Hence his book "Civil Disobedience".

Frisco

PS: Like you I had/have no love for Bush and his policies either.

I eat lunch with my state Legislators each spring at our Capitol. It's one of the perks of a volunteer position as president of the board of directors of a private non-profit serving the disabled--including disabled vets.

We talk about funding for various programs, but then we talk in more general terms about Michigan's economy--not usually a happy subject. Federal economics, revenue sharing for infrastructure...seems dry to some folks, but I actually get a day with these guys who make decisions. They listen, but I'm not so foolish as to think they carry my message right up to the floor and make it law. Michigan has 10 million residents, and the split on party lines is very close to what it was in the last presidential election. No pushovers or sure things here.

Sometimes, writing letters, working on campaigns, and biding time are all there really is to do.

Counting blessings is the best medicine...and I don't hear much of that here.

quote:

Originally posted by FriscoLady01:

quote:

Originally posted by Yooper_tj:

quote:

Originally posted by fishnfanatic:
Aw wait, your pickin on the poor Dumbocrats, who wrongly think everything they do is right.

Must suck to be a Dumbocrat now, seeing your elected officials FORCING something down the citizen's throats. But hey, thats the Dumbocrat way.

I suspect, I'm not suggesting, there will be a revolt.

Sure there will. Glenn Beck will lead the charge and be the first to be blooded. Michael Steele will provide strategy, Michelle Malkin the tactics....

I tolerated eight years of the gutting of the Constitution, the economy, and any standing the US held in the rest of the world under a moron pulled around by the nose by some sort of half-devil/half-cyborg.

I got over it. You will too. Cowards make half-azzed threats of revolution when they don't get their way at the polls. Real Americans plan for the next election, raise money, find candidates who will see things their way, and affect real change.
They've been doing it for more than 200 years--don't think you're so unique.

Revolts come in many formats. Rick Perry as Governor of Texas is already told Washington that he will NOT cooperate with the enforcement of the healthcare law as they currently stand - if at all.

And yes the government in Washinngton will withold Federal funds to to Texas.

I sat down this morning and started writing Governor Perry a letter reminding him of what Colorado almost did in the 1990s. I remember this happening and am in the process of researching the cite for the state law in question.

The state of Colorado was in a fight over some matter with the Feds, and the Feds were going to withhold Federal funding to Colorado.

The law was introduced into the Colorado state legislature directing that the state would collect all Federal taxes on everything but personal income tax and put it into a state escrow account. At the end of the fiscal year the state would deduct the exact amount of what the feds withheld and pay them the remainder.

The law passed the lower house of the Colorado legislature but not the upper house.

I am going to research, write, and mail my letter to each state governor, their representatives, and to my representatives here in California. Not that it will do any good in California.

On an individual basis we have no intention of complying with any of the provisions of any Health care law passed by this Congress and signed by this administration.

Yes my husband and I are willing to take the consequences, however I am hoping enough states like Texas) and citizens will refuse to obey that the feds will be overwelmed and unable to enforce the law.

Henry David Thoreau is a personal hero of mine. He opposed the Mexican War and went to prison over it. Hence his book "Civil Disobedience".

Frisco

PS: Like you I had/have no love for Bush and his policies either.

What is your problem with health care for all? What is your problem with increased competition? Why do you desire to continue paying for the uninsured with higher premiums. Please enlighten me becasue I'm truly confused.

quote:

Originally posted by WepsFP:

quote:

Originally posted by FriscoLady01:

quote:

Originally posted by Yooper_tj:

quote:

Originally posted by fishnfanatic:
Aw wait, your pickin on the poor Dumbocrats, who wrongly think everything they do is right.

Must suck to be a Dumbocrat now, seeing your elected officials FORCING something down the citizen's throats. But hey, thats the Dumbocrat way.

I suspect, I'm not suggesting, there will be a revolt.

Sure there will. Glenn Beck will lead the charge and be the first to be blooded. Michael Steele will provide strategy, Michelle Malkin the tactics....

I tolerated eight years of the gutting of the Constitution, the economy, and any standing the US held in the rest of the world under a moron pulled around by the nose by some sort of half-devil/half-cyborg.

I got over it. You will too. Cowards make half-azzed threats of revolution when they don't get their way at the polls. Real Americans plan for the next election, raise money, find candidates who will see things their way, and affect real change.
They've been doing it for more than 200 years--don't think you're so unique.

Revolts come in many formats. Rick Perry as Governor of Texas is already told Washington that he will NOT cooperate with the enforcement of the healthcare law as they currently stand - if at all.

And yes the government in Washinngton will withold Federal funds to to Texas.

I sat down this morning and started writing Governor Perry a letter reminding him of what Colorado almost did in the 1990s. I remember this happening and am in the process of researching the cite for the state law in question.

The state of Colorado was in a fight over some matter with the Feds, and the Feds were going to withhold Federal funding to Colorado.

The law was introduced into the Colorado state legislature directing that the state would collect all Federal taxes on everything but personal income tax and put it into a state escrow account. At the end of the fiscal year the state would deduct the exact amount of what the feds withheld and pay them the remainder.

The law passed the lower house of the Colorado legislature but not the upper house.

I am going to research, write, and mail my letter to each state governor, their representatives, and to my representatives here in California. Not that it will do any good in California.

On an individual basis we have no intention of complying with any of the provisions of any Health care law passed by this Congress and signed by this administration.

Yes my husband and I are willing to take the consequences, however I am hoping enough states like Texas) and citizens will refuse to obey that the feds will be overwelmed and unable to enforce the law.

Henry David Thoreau is a personal hero of mine. He opposed the Mexican War and went to prison over it. Hence his book "Civil Disobedience".

Frisco

PS: Like you I had/have no love for Bush and his policies either.

What is your problem with health care for all? What is your problem with increased competition? Why do you desire to continue paying for the uninsured with higher premiums. Please enlighten me becasue I'm truly confused.

What is it that doesn't bother you about going to jail if you don't pay for their chosen health care?

""

quote:

What is your problem with health care for all? What is your problem with increased competition? Why do you desire to continue paying for the uninsured with higher premiums. Please enlighten me becasue I'm truly confused.

NOTHING, except that is not what is being offered by the Congress. They offer Serfdom to their petty offices. Health insurance without an intact health care system is a fraud.

quote:

Originally posted by WepsFP:

quote:

Originally posted by FriscoLady01:

quote:

Originally posted by Yooper_tj:

quote:

Originally posted by fishnfanatic:
Aw wait, your pickin on the poor Dumbocrats, who wrongly think everything they do is right.

Must suck to be a Dumbocrat now, seeing your elected officials FORCING something down the citizen's throats. But hey, thats the Dumbocrat way.

I suspect, I'm not suggesting, there will be a revolt.

Sure there will. Glenn Beck will lead the charge and be the first to be blooded. Michael Steele will provide strategy, Michelle Malkin the tactics....

I tolerated eight years of the gutting of the Constitution, the economy, and any standing the US held in the rest of the world under a moron pulled around by the nose by some sort of half-devil/half-cyborg.

I got over it. You will too. Cowards make half-azzed threats of revolution when they don't get their way at the polls. Real Americans plan for the next election, raise money, find candidates who will see things their way, and affect real change.
They've been doing it for more than 200 years--don't think you're so unique.

Revolts come in many formats. Rick Perry as Governor of Texas is already told Washington that he will NOT cooperate with the enforcement of the healthcare law as they currently stand - if at all.

And yes the government in Washinngton will withold Federal funds to to Texas.

I sat down this morning and started writing Governor Perry a letter reminding him of what Colorado almost did in the 1990s. I remember this happening and am in the process of researching the cite for the state law in question.

The state of Colorado was in a fight over some matter with the Feds, and the Feds were going to withhold Federal funding to Colorado.

The law was introduced into the Colorado state legislature directing that the state would collect all Federal taxes on everything but personal income tax and put it into a state escrow account. At the end of the fiscal year the state would deduct the exact amount of what the feds withheld and pay them the remainder.

The law passed the lower house of the Colorado legislature but not the upper house.

I am going to research, write, and mail my letter to each state governor, their representatives, and to my representatives here in California. Not that it will do any good in California.

On an individual basis we have no intention of complying with any of the provisions of any Health care law passed by this Congress and signed by this administration.

Yes my husband and I are willing to take the consequences, however I am hoping enough states like Texas) and citizens will refuse to obey that the feds will be overwelmed and unable to enforce the law.

Henry David Thoreau is a personal hero of mine. He opposed the Mexican War and went to prison over it. Hence his book "Civil Disobedience".

Frisco

PS: Like you I had/have no love for Bush and his policies either.

What is your problem with health care for all? What is your problem with increased competition? Why do you desire to continue paying for the uninsured with higher premiums. Please enlighten me becasue I'm truly confused.

I am not denying that access to health care does not need improvement.

However, under the current system when the insurance companies denied coverage, we picked up the tab. It has happened on several occasions both with my Father's Alzheimers and my cancer.

We even chose to take Dad back to Germany once to obtain medication not available here.

And because my family, my husband and I antied up when I was denied more advance treatment for cancer, I am here seven years after I was expected to die, typing this message to you.

Under every plan that is in consideration in Congress now once denied one will not have the option of telling the government to go pound salt and pay for the treatment theirselves.

Yes seven years on we still owe over 12k for my treatment, but I am here to pay it.

The government can go to hell, we will not comply with the crap proposed by Congress now.

Frisco

quote:

Originally posted by AngelHeart:

quote:

Originally posted by WepsFP:

quote:

Originally posted by FriscoLady01:

quote:

Originally posted by Yooper_tj:

quote:

Originally posted by fishnfanatic:
Aw wait, your pickin on the poor Dumbocrats, who wrongly think everything they do is right.

Must suck to be a Dumbocrat now, seeing your elected officials FORCING something down the citizen's throats. But hey, thats the Dumbocrat way.

I suspect, I'm not suggesting, there will be a revolt.

Sure there will. Glenn Beck will lead the charge and be the first to be blooded. Michael Steele will provide strategy, Michelle Malkin the tactics....

I tolerated eight years of the gutting of the Constitution, the economy, and any standing the US held in the rest of the world under a moron pulled around by the nose by some sort of half-devil/half-cyborg.

I got over it. You will too. Cowards make half-azzed threats of revolution when they don't get their way at the polls. Real Americans plan for the next election, raise money, find candidates who will see things their way, and affect real change.
They've been doing it for more than 200 years--don't think you're so unique.

Revolts come in many formats. Rick Perry as Governor of Texas is already told Washington that he will NOT cooperate with the enforcement of the healthcare law as they currently stand - if at all.

And yes the government in Washinngton will withold Federal funds to to Texas.

I sat down this morning and started writing Governor Perry a letter reminding him of what Colorado almost did in the 1990s. I remember this happening and am in the process of researching the cite for the state law in question.

The state of Colorado was in a fight over some matter with the Feds, and the Feds were going to withhold Federal funding to Colorado.

The law was introduced into the Colorado state legislature directing that the state would collect all Federal taxes on everything but personal income tax and put it into a state escrow account. At the end of the fiscal year the state would deduct the exact amount of what the feds withheld and pay them the remainder.

The law passed the lower house of the Colorado legislature but not the upper house.

I am going to research, write, and mail my letter to each state governor, their representatives, and to my representatives here in California. Not that it will do any good in California.

On an individual basis we have no intention of complying with any of the provisions of any Health care law passed by this Congress and signed by this administration.

Yes my husband and I are willing to take the consequences, however I am hoping enough states like Texas) and citizens will refuse to obey that the feds will be overwelmed and unable to enforce the law.

Henry David Thoreau is a personal hero of mine. He opposed the Mexican War and went to prison over it. Hence his book "Civil Disobedience".

Frisco

PS: Like you I had/have no love for Bush and his policies either.

What is your problem with health care for all? What is your problem with increased competition? Why do you desire to continue paying for the uninsured with higher premiums. Please enlighten me becasue I'm truly confused.

What is it that doesn't bother you about going to jail if you don't pay for their chosen health care?

I would never consider not having health care coverage so it's a none issue.

quote:

Originally posted by WepsFP:

quote:

Originally posted by AngelHeart:

quote:

Originally posted by WepsFP:

quote:

Originally posted by FriscoLady01:

quote:

Originally posted by Yooper_tj:

quote:

Originally posted by fishnfanatic:
Aw wait, your pickin on the poor Dumbocrats, who wrongly think everything they do is right.

Must suck to be a Dumbocrat now, seeing your elected officials FORCING something down the citizen's throats. But hey, thats the Dumbocrat way.

I suspect, I'm not suggesting, there will be a revolt.

Sure there will. Glenn Beck will lead the charge and be the first to be blooded. Michael Steele will provide strategy, Michelle Malkin the tactics....

I tolerated eight years of the gutting of the Constitution, the economy, and any standing the US held in the rest of the world under a moron pulled around by the nose by some sort of half-devil/half-cyborg.

I got over it. You will too. Cowards make half-azzed threats of revolution when they don't get their way at the polls. Real Americans plan for the next election, raise money, find candidates who will see things their way, and affect real change.
They've been doing it for more than 200 years--don't think you're so unique.

Revolts come in many formats. Rick Perry as Governor of Texas is already told Washington that he will NOT cooperate with the enforcement of the healthcare law as they currently stand - if at all.

And yes the government in Washinngton will withold Federal funds to to Texas.

I sat down this morning and started writing Governor Perry a letter reminding him of what Colorado almost did in the 1990s. I remember this happening and am in the process of researching the cite for the state law in question.

The state of Colorado was in a fight over some matter with the Feds, and the Feds were going to withhold Federal funding to Colorado.

The law was introduced into the Colorado state legislature directing that the state would collect all Federal taxes on everything but personal income tax and put it into a state escrow account. At the end of the fiscal year the state would deduct the exact amount of what the feds withheld and pay them the remainder.

The law passed the lower house of the Colorado legislature but not the upper house.

I am going to research, write, and mail my letter to each state governor, their representatives, and to my representatives here in California. Not that it will do any good in California.

On an individual basis we have no intention of complying with any of the provisions of any Health care law passed by this Congress and signed by this administration.

Yes my husband and I are willing to take the consequences, however I am hoping enough states like Texas) and citizens will refuse to obey that the feds will be overwelmed and unable to enforce the law.

Henry David Thoreau is a personal hero of mine. He opposed the Mexican War and went to prison over it. Hence his book "Civil Disobedience".

Frisco

PS: Like you I had/have no love for Bush and his policies either.

What is your problem with health care for all? What is your problem with increased competition? Why do you desire to continue paying for the uninsured with higher premiums. Please enlighten me becasue I'm truly confused.

What is it that doesn't bother you about going to jail if you don't pay for their chosen health care?

I would never consider not having health care coverage so it's a none issue.

We do have health care coverage that WE choose to best suit us and our granddaughter, the government has NO AUTHORITY to tell us what we want or need for our personal health care.

And anyway, if they want so bad to put me in jail, then my healthcare will be free. However, health care inside generally sucks. At least in my experience.

Frisco

quote:

Originally posted by WepsFP:

quote:

Originally posted by AngelHeart:

quote:

Originally posted by WepsFP:

quote:

Originally posted by FriscoLady01:

quote:

Originally posted by Yooper_tj:

quote:

Originally posted by fishnfanatic:
Aw wait, your pickin on the poor Dumbocrats, who wrongly think everything they do is right.

Must suck to be a Dumbocrat now, seeing your elected officials FORCING something down the citizen's throats. But hey, thats the Dumbocrat way.

I suspect, I'm not suggesting, there will be a revolt.

Sure there will. Glenn Beck will lead the charge and be the first to be blooded. Michael Steele will provide strategy, Michelle Malkin the tactics....

I tolerated eight years of the gutting of the Constitution, the economy, and any standing the US held in the rest of the world under a moron pulled around by the nose by some sort of half-devil/half-cyborg.

I got over it. You will too. Cowards make half-azzed threats of revolution when they don't get their way at the polls. Real Americans plan for the next election, raise money, find candidates who will see things their way, and affect real change.
They've been doing it for more than 200 years--don't think you're so unique.

Revolts come in many formats. Rick Perry as Governor of Texas is already told Washington that he will NOT cooperate with the enforcement of the healthcare law as they currently stand - if at all.

And yes the government in Washinngton will withold Federal funds to to Texas.

I sat down this morning and started writing Governor Perry a letter reminding him of what Colorado almost did in the 1990s. I remember this happening and am in the process of researching the cite for the state law in question.

The state of Colorado was in a fight over some matter with the Feds, and the Feds were going to withhold Federal funding to Colorado.

The law was introduced into the Colorado state legislature directing that the state would collect all Federal taxes on everything but personal income tax and put it into a state escrow account. At the end of the fiscal year the state would deduct the exact amount of what the feds withheld and pay them the remainder.

The law passed the lower house of the Colorado legislature but not the upper house.

I am going to research, write, and mail my letter to each state governor, their representatives, and to my representatives here in California. Not that it will do any good in California.

On an individual basis we have no intention of complying with any of the provisions of any Health care law passed by this Congress and signed by this administration.

Yes my husband and I are willing to take the consequences, however I am hoping enough states like Texas) and citizens will refuse to obey that the feds will be overwelmed and unable to enforce the law.

Henry David Thoreau is a personal hero of mine. He opposed the Mexican War and went to prison over it. Hence his book "Civil Disobedience".

Frisco

PS: Like you I had/have no love for Bush and his policies either.

What is your problem with health care for all? What is your problem with increased competition? Why do you desire to continue paying for the uninsured with higher premiums. Please enlighten me becasue I'm truly confused.

What is it that doesn't bother you about going to jail if you don't pay for their chosen health care?

I would never consider not having health care coverage so it's a none issue.

That was a "non" answer as is typical, coming from you. THEIR chosen health care, not yours. Even if it was your own, what if one day, ****e hit the fan for you and you lost everything and had no money, no home, no car. Then you would go to jail for failure to pay for any health insurance. Would you still think it was ok then?

quote:

Originally posted by AngelHeart:

quote:

Originally posted by WepsFP:

quote:

Originally posted by AngelHeart:

quote:

Originally posted by WepsFP:

quote:

Originally posted by FriscoLady01:

quote:

Originally posted by Yooper_tj:

quote:

Originally posted by fishnfanatic:
Aw wait, your pickin on the poor Dumbocrats, who wrongly think everything they do is right.

Must suck to be a Dumbocrat now, seeing your elected officials FORCING something down the citizen's throats. But hey, thats the Dumbocrat way.

I suspect, I'm not suggesting, there will be a revolt.

Sure there will. Glenn Beck will lead the charge and be the first to be blooded. Michael Steele will provide strategy, Michelle Malkin the tactics....

I tolerated eight years of the gutting of the Constitution, the economy, and any standing the US held in the rest of the world under a moron pulled around by the nose by some sort of half-devil/half-cyborg.

I got over it. You will too. Cowards make half-azzed threats of revolution when they don't get their way at the polls. Real Americans plan for the next election, raise money, find candidates who will see things their way, and affect real change.
They've been doing it for more than 200 years--don't think you're so unique.

Revolts come in many formats. Rick Perry as Governor of Texas is already told Washington that he will NOT cooperate with the enforcement of the healthcare law as they currently stand - if at all.

And yes the government in Washinngton will withold Federal funds to to Texas.

I sat down this morning and started writing Governor Perry a letter reminding him of what Colorado almost did in the 1990s. I remember this happening and am in the process of researching the cite for the state law in question.

The state of Colorado was in a fight over some matter with the Feds, and the Feds were going to withhold Federal funding to Colorado.

The law was introduced into the Colorado state legislature directing that the state would collect all Federal taxes on everything but personal income tax and put it into a state escrow account. At the end of the fiscal year the state would deduct the exact amount of what the feds withheld and pay them the remainder.

The law passed the lower house of the Colorado legislature but not the upper house.

I am going to research, write, and mail my letter to each state governor, their representatives, and to my representatives here in California. Not that it will do any good in California.

On an individual basis we have no intention of complying with any of the provisions of any Health care law passed by this Congress and signed by this administration.

Yes my husband and I are willing to take the consequences, however I am hoping enough states like Texas) and citizens will refuse to obey that the feds will be overwelmed and unable to enforce the law.

Henry David Thoreau is a personal hero of mine. He opposed the Mexican War and went to prison over it. Hence his book "Civil Disobedience".

Frisco

PS: Like you I had/have no love for Bush and his policies either.

What is your problem with health care for all? What is your problem with increased competition? Why do you desire to continue paying for the uninsured with higher premiums. Please enlighten me becasue I'm truly confused.

What is it that doesn't bother you about going to jail if you don't pay for their chosen health care?

I would never consider not having health care coverage so it's a none issue.

That was a "non" answer as is typical, coming from you. THEIR chosen health care, not yours. Even if it was your own, what if one day, ****e hit the fan for you and you lost everything and had no money, no home, no car. Then you would go to jail for failure to pay for aqny health insurance. Would you still think it was ok then?

There will be some mechanism in place to take care of people that don't have an income. Can't get blood from a stone and you can't get money from someone that makes no money. Don't forget the tax credits.

Do you like paying for the uninsured??

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Originally posted by FriscoLady01:

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Originally posted by WepsFP:

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Originally posted by AngelHeart:

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Originally posted by WepsFP:

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Originally posted by FriscoLady01:

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Originally posted by Yooper_tj:

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Originally posted by fishnfanatic:
Aw wait, your pickin on the poor Dumbocrats, who wrongly think everything they do is right.

Must suck to be a Dumbocrat now, seeing your elected officials FORCING something down the citizen's throats. But hey, thats the Dumbocrat way.

I suspect, I'm not suggesting, there will be a revolt.

Sure there will. Glenn Beck will lead the charge and be the first to be blooded. Michael Steele will provide strategy, Michelle Malkin the tactics....

I tolerated eight years of the gutting of the Constitution, the economy, and any standing the US held in the rest of the world under a moron pulled around by the nose by some sort of half-devil/half-cyborg.

I got over it. You will too. Cowards make half-azzed threats of revolution when they don't get their way at the polls. Real Americans plan for the next election, raise money, find candidates who will see things their way, and affect real change.
They've been doing it for more than 200 years--don't think you're so unique.

Revolts come in many formats. Rick Perry as Governor of Texas is already told Washington that he will NOT cooperate with the enforcement of the healthcare law as they currently stand - if at all.

And yes the government in Washinngton will withold Federal funds to to Texas.

I sat down this morning and started writing Governor Perry a letter reminding him of what Colorado almost did in the 1990s. I remember this happening and am in the process of researching the cite for the state law in question.

The state of Colorado was in a fight over some matter with the Feds, and the Feds were going to withhold Federal funding to Colorado.

The law was introduced into the Colorado state legislature directing that the state would collect all Federal taxes on everything but personal income tax and put it into a state escrow account. At the end of the fiscal year the state would deduct the exact amount of what the feds withheld and pay them the remainder.

The law passed the lower house of the Colorado legislature but not the upper house.

I am going to research, write, and mail my letter to each state governor, their representatives, and to my representatives here in California. Not that it will do any good in California.

On an individual basis we have no intention of complying with any of the provisions of any Health care law passed by this Congress and signed by this administration.

Yes my husband and I are willing to take the consequences, however I am hoping enough states like Texas) and citizens will refuse to obey that the feds will be overwelmed and unable to enforce the law.

Henry David Thoreau is a personal hero of mine. He opposed the Mexican War and went to prison over it. Hence his book "Civil Disobedience".

Frisco

PS: Like you I had/have no love for Bush and his policies either.

What is your problem with health care for all? What is your problem with increased competition? Why do you desire to continue paying for the uninsured with higher premiums. Please enlighten me becasue I'm truly confused.

What is it that doesn't bother you about going to jail if you don't pay for their chosen health care?

I would never consider not having health care coverage so it's a none issue.

We do have health care coverage that WE choose to best suit us and our granddaughter, the government has NO AUTHORITY to tell us what we want or need for our personal health care.

And anyway, if they want so bad to put me in jail, then my healthcare will be free. However, health care inside generally sucks. At least in my experience.

Frisco

So you think you won't be able to keep your current plan. Why is that??

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Originally posted by WepsFP:

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Originally posted by AngelHeart:

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Originally posted by WepsFP:

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Originally posted by AngelHeart:

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Originally posted by WepsFP:

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Originally posted by FriscoLady01:

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Originally posted by Yooper_tj:

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Originally posted by fishnfanatic:
Aw wait, your pickin on the poor Dumbocrats, who wrongly think everything they do is right.

Must suck to be a Dumbocrat now, seeing your elected officials FORCING something down the citizen's throats. But hey, thats the Dumbocrat way.

I suspect, I'm not suggesting, there will be a revolt.

Sure there will. Glenn Beck will lead the charge and be the first to be blooded. Michael Steele will provide strategy, Michelle Malkin the tactics....

I tolerated eight years of the gutting of the Constitution, the economy, and any standing the US held in the rest of the world under a moron pulled around by the nose by some sort of half-devil/half-cyborg.

I got over it. You will too. Cowards make half-azzed threats of revolution when they don't get their way at the polls. Real Americans plan for the next election, raise money, find candidates who will see things their way, and affect real change.
They've been doing it for more than 200 years--don't think you're so unique.

Revolts come in many formats. Rick Perry as Governor of Texas is already told Washington that he will NOT cooperate with the enforcement of the healthcare law as they currently stand - if at all.

And yes the government in Washinngton will withold Federal funds to to Texas.

I sat down this morning and started writing Governor Perry a letter reminding him of what Colorado almost did in the 1990s. I remember this happening and am in the process of researching the cite for the state law in question.

The state of Colorado was in a fight over some matter with the Feds, and the Feds were going to withhold Federal funding to Colorado.

The law was introduced into the Colorado state legislature directing that the state would collect all Federal taxes on everything but personal income tax and put it into a state escrow account. At the end of the fiscal year the state would deduct the exact amount of what the feds withheld and pay them the remainder.

The law passed the lower house of the Colorado legislature but not the upper house.

I am going to research, write, and mail my letter to each state governor, their representatives, and to my representatives here in California. Not that it will do any good in California.

On an individual basis we have no intention of complying with any of the provisions of any Health care law passed by this Congress and signed by this administration.

Yes my husband and I are willing to take the consequences, however I am hoping enough states like Texas) and citizens will refuse to obey that the feds will be overwelmed and unable to enforce the law.

Henry David Thoreau is a personal hero of mine. He opposed the Mexican War and went to prison over it. Hence his book "Civil Disobedience".

Frisco

PS: Like you I had/have no love for Bush and his policies either.

What is your problem with health care for all? What is your problem with increased competition? Why do you desire to continue paying for the uninsured with higher premiums. Please enlighten me becasue I'm truly confused.

What is it that doesn't bother you about going to jail if you don't pay for their chosen health care?

I would never consider not having health care coverage so it's a none issue.

That was a "non" answer as is typical, coming from you. THEIR chosen health care, not yours. Even if it was your own, what if one day, ****e hit the fan for you and you lost everything and had no money, no home, no car. Then you would go to jail for failure to pay for aqny health insurance. Would you still think it was ok then?

There will be some mechanism in place to take care of people that don't have an income. Can't get blood from a stone and you can't get money from someone that makes no money. Don't forget the tax credits.

Do you like paying for the uninsured??

Ahhh, love the logic, you don't like paying for the uninsured, so through "some mechanism" i.e. the government you want to pay for the uninsured?

Makes no sense!

Go figure!

Frisco

Did you know that you can pay cash for medical treatment vice insurance? At times you may even get a break on the cost.

Admittedly those that are out of work need to be covered and should be, however they should have to pay it back when they are back on their feet. I should not have to pay for it, and neither should anyone else.

Frisco

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Originally posted by FriscoLady01:

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Originally posted by WepsFP:

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Originally posted by AngelHeart:

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Originally posted by WepsFP:

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Originally posted by AngelHeart:

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Originally posted by WepsFP:

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Originally posted by FriscoLady01:

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Originally posted by Yooper_tj:

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Originally posted by fishnfanatic:
Aw wait, your pickin on the poor Dumbocrats, who wrongly think everything they do is right.

Must suck to be a Dumbocrat now, seeing your elected officials FORCING something down the citizen's throats. But hey, thats the Dumbocrat way.

I suspect, I'm not suggesting, there will be a revolt.

Sure there will. Glenn Beck will lead the charge and be the first to be blooded. Michael Steele will provide strategy, Michelle Malkin the tactics....

I tolerated eight years of the gutting of the Constitution, the economy, and any standing the US held in the rest of the world under a moron pulled around by the nose by some sort of half-devil/half-cyborg.

I got over it. You will too. Cowards make half-azzed threats of revolution when they don't get their way at the polls. Real Americans plan for the next election, raise money, find candidates who will see things their way, and affect real change.
They've been doing it for more than 200 years--don't think you're so unique.

Revolts come in many formats. Rick Perry as Governor of Texas is already told Washington that he will NOT cooperate with the enforcement of the healthcare law as they currently stand - if at all.

And yes the government in Washinngton will withold Federal funds to to Texas.

I sat down this morning and started writing Governor Perry a letter reminding him of what Colorado almost did in the 1990s. I remember this happening and am in the process of researching the cite for the state law in question.

The state of Colorado was in a fight over some matter with the Feds, and the Feds were going to withhold Federal funding to Colorado.

The law was introduced into the Colorado state legislature directing that the state would collect all Federal taxes on everything but personal income tax and put it into a state escrow account. At the end of the fiscal year the state would deduct the exact amount of what the feds withheld and pay them the remainder.

The law passed the lower house of the Colorado legislature but not the upper house.

I am going to research, write, and mail my letter to each state governor, their representatives, and to my representatives here in California. Not that it will do any good in California.

On an individual basis we have no intention of complying with any of the provisions of any Health care law passed by this Congress and signed by this administration.

Yes my husband and I are willing to take the consequences, however I am hoping enough states like Texas) and citizens will refuse to obey that the feds will be overwelmed and unable to enforce the law.

Henry David Thoreau is a personal hero of mine. He opposed the Mexican War and went to prison over it. Hence his book "Civil Disobedience".

Frisco

PS: Like you I had/have no love for Bush and his policies either.

What is your problem with health care for all? What is your problem with increased competition? Why do you desire to continue paying for the uninsured with higher premiums. Please enlighten me becasue I'm truly confused.

What is it that doesn't bother you about going to jail if you don't pay for their chosen health care?

I would never consider not having health care coverage so it's a none issue.

That was a "non" answer as is typical, coming from you. THEIR chosen health care, not yours. Even if it was your own, what if one day, ****e hit the fan for you and you lost everything and had no money, no home, no car. Then you would go to jail for failure to pay for aqny health insurance. Would you still think it was ok then?

There will be some mechanism in place to take care of people that don't have an income. Can't get blood from a stone and you can't get money from someone that makes no money. Don't forget the tax credits.

Do you like paying for the uninsured??

Ahhh, love the logic, you don't like paying for the uninsured, so through "some mechanism" i.e. the government you want to pay for the uninsured?

Makes no sense!

Go figure!

Frisco

No sense, why is that? You don't beleive indvidual health care cost will come down when there is a public option?

It's a good deal any way you look at it as far as I can tell.

You seem to think the public option will eliminate your ability to stick with your plan. You can explain why anytime now.

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Originally posted by WepsFP:

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Originally posted by FriscoLady01:

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Originally posted by WepsFP:

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Originally posted by AngelHeart:

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Originally posted by WepsFP:

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Originally posted by AngelHeart:

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Originally posted by WepsFP:

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Originally posted by FriscoLady01:

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Originally posted by Yooper_tj:

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Originally posted by fishnfanatic:
Aw wait, your pickin on the poor Dumbocrats, who wrongly think everything they do is right.

Must suck to be a Dumbocrat now, seeing your elected officials FORCING something down the citizen's throats. But hey, thats the Dumbocrat way.

I suspect, I'm not suggesting, there will be a revolt.

Sure there will. Glenn Beck will lead the charge and be the first to be blooded. Michael Steele will provide strategy, Michelle Malkin the tactics....

I tolerated eight years of the gutting of the Constitution, the economy, and any standing the US held in the rest of the world under a moron pulled around by the nose by some sort of half-devil/half-cyborg.

I got over it. You will too. Cowards make half-azzed threats of revolution when they don't get their way at the polls. Real Americans plan for the next election, raise money, find candidates who will see things their way, and affect real change.
They've been doing it for more than 200 years--don't think you're so unique.

Revolts come in many formats. Rick Perry as Governor of Texas is already told Washington that he will NOT cooperate with the enforcement of the healthcare law as they currently stand - if at all.

And yes the government in Washinngton will withold Federal funds to to Texas.

I sat down this morning and started writing Governor Perry a letter reminding him of what Colorado almost did in the 1990s. I remember this happening and am in the process of researching the cite for the state law in question.

The state of Colorado was in a fight over some matter with the Feds, and the Feds were going to withhold Federal funding to Colorado.

The law was introduced into the Colorado state legislature directing that the state would collect all Federal taxes on everything but personal income tax and put it into a state escrow account. At the end of the fiscal year the state would deduct the exact amount of what the feds withheld and pay them the remainder.

The law passed the lower house of the Colorado legislature but not the upper house.

I am going to research, write, and mail my letter to each state governor, their representatives, and to my representatives here in California. Not that it will do any good in California.

On an individual basis we have no intention of complying with any of the provisions of any Health care law passed by this Congress and signed by this administration.

Yes my husband and I are willing to take the consequences, however I am hoping enough states like Texas) and citizens will refuse to obey that the feds will be overwelmed and unable to enforce the law.

Henry David Thoreau is a personal hero of mine. He opposed the Mexican War and went to prison over it. Hence his book "Civil Disobedience".

Frisco

PS: Like you I had/have no love for Bush and his policies either.

What is your problem with health care for all? What is your problem with increased competition? Why do you desire to continue paying for the uninsured with higher premiums. Please enlighten me becasue I'm truly confused.

What is it that doesn't bother you about going to jail if you don't pay for their chosen health care?

I would never consider not having health care coverage so it's a none issue.

That was a "non" answer as is typical, coming from you. THEIR chosen health care, not yours. Even if it was your own, what if one day, ****e hit the fan for you and you lost everything and had no money, no home, no car. Then you would go to jail for failure to pay for aqny health insurance. Would you still think it was ok then?

There will be some mechanism in place to take care of people that don't have an income. Can't get blood from a stone and you can't get money from someone that makes no money. Don't forget the tax credits.

Do you like paying for the uninsured??

Ahhh, love the logic, you don't like paying for the uninsured, so through "some mechanism" i.e. the government you want to pay for the uninsured?

Makes no sense!

Go figure!

Frisco

No sense, why is that? You don't beleive indvidual health care cost will come down when there is a public option?

It's a good deal any way you look at it as far as I can tell.

You seem to think the public option will eliminate your ability to stick with your plan. You can explain why anytime now.

Because they lie. Their record of lying to us is becoming a historical record. There is over a thousand pages in that bill, that most of congress won't even read. On page 349, it can say one thing and on page 978, it could say the complete opposite. It is foolish to trust them. How, after all the distrust you put in the last adminsitration, can you believe the current one without question? Especially when they have be caught in so many lies already. One would a fool to believe that there is no downfall to the american people.

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Originally posted by WepsFP:

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Originally posted by FriscoLady01:

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Originally posted by WepsFP:

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Originally posted by AngelHeart:

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Originally posted by WepsFP:

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Originally posted by AngelHeart:

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Originally posted by WepsFP:

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Originally posted by FriscoLady01:

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Originally posted by Yooper_tj:

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Originally posted by fishnfanatic:
Aw wait, your pickin on the poor Dumbocrats, who wrongly think everything they do is right.

Must suck to be a Dumbocrat now, seeing your elected officials FORCING something down the citizen's throats. But hey, thats the Dumbocrat way.

I suspect, I'm not suggesting, there will be a revolt.

Sure there will. Glenn Beck will lead the charge and be the first to be blooded. Michael Steele will provide strategy, Michelle Malkin the tactics....

I tolerated eight years of the gutting of the Constitution, the economy, and any standing the US held in the rest of the world under a moron pulled around by the nose by some sort of half-devil/half-cyborg.

I got over it. You will too. Cowards make half-azzed threats of revolution when they don't get their way at the polls. Real Americans plan for the next election, raise money, find candidates who will see things their way, and affect real change.
They've been doing it for more than 200 years--don't think you're so unique.

Revolts come in many formats. Rick Perry as Governor of Texas is already told Washington that he will NOT cooperate with the enforcement of the healthcare law as they currently stand - if at all.

And yes the government in Washinngton will withold Federal funds to to Texas.

I sat down this morning and started writing Governor Perry a letter reminding him of what Colorado almost did in the 1990s. I remember this happening and am in the process of researching the cite for the state law in question.

The state of Colorado was in a fight over some matter with the Feds, and the Feds were going to withhold Federal funding to Colorado.

The law was introduced into the Colorado state legislature directing that the state would collect all Federal taxes on everything but personal income tax and put it into a state escrow account. At the end of the fiscal year the state would deduct the exact amount of what the feds withheld and pay them the remainder.

The law passed the lower house of the Colorado legislature but not the upper house.

I am going to research, write, and mail my letter to each state governor, their representatives, and to my representatives here in California. Not that it will do any good in California.

On an individual basis we have no intention of complying with any of the provisions of any Health care law passed by this Congress and signed by this administration.

Yes my husband and I are willing to take the consequences, however I am hoping enough states like Texas) and citizens will refuse to obey that the feds will be overwelmed and unable to enforce the law.

Henry David Thoreau is a personal hero of mine. He opposed the Mexican War and went to prison over it. Hence his book "Civil Disobedience".

Frisco

PS: Like you I had/have no love for Bush and his policies either.

What is your problem with health care for all? What is your problem with increased competition? Why do you desire to continue paying for the uninsured with higher premiums. Please enlighten me becasue I'm truly confused.

What is it that doesn't bother you about going to jail if you don't pay for their chosen health care?

I would never consider not having health care coverage so it's a none issue.

That was a "non" answer as is typical, coming from you. THEIR chosen health care, not yours. Even if it was your own, what if one day, ****e hit the fan for you and you lost everything and had no money, no home, no car. Then you would go to jail for failure to pay for aqny health insurance. Would you still think it was ok then?

There will be some mechanism in place to take care of people that don't have an income. Can't get blood from a stone and you can't get money from someone that makes no money. Don't forget the tax credits.

Do you like paying for the uninsured??

Ahhh, love the logic, you don't like paying for the uninsured, so through "some mechanism" i.e. the government you want to pay for the uninsured?

Makes no sense!

Go figure!

Frisco

No sense, why is that? You don't beleive indvidual health care cost will come down when there is a public option?

It's a good deal any way you look at it as far as I can tell.

You seem to think the public option will eliminate your ability to stick with your plan. You can explain why anytime now.

It will eliminate private plans, and costs may initially come done. It cannot be avoided.

If the government can undercut the insurance companies very easily. You require every family to get insurance as they are, then regulate the cost of private insurance up.

However, in order to cut costs, and the only way to do that is to limit whom you are going to treat. I.e., the old, the very young, the chronically ill. It goes on and on.

The latter point is what concerns me, a friend in England had the same cancer I did, she was treated under the British System, I here. She died, I live - because I had the choice of paying for my treatment myself.

She did not.

Frisco

Current Government couldn't run a grocery store.

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No sense, why is that? You don't beleive indvidual health care cost will come down when there is a public option?

It's a good deal any way you look at it as far as I can tell.

You seem to think the public option will eliminate your ability to stick with your plan. You can explain why anytime now.[/QUOTE]

Because they lie. Their record of lying to us is becoming a historical record. There is over a thousand pages in that bill, that most of congress won't even read. On page 349, it can say one thing and on page 978, it could say the complete opposite. It is foolish to trust them. How, after all the distrust you put in the last adminsitration, can you believe the current one without question? Especially when they have be caught in so many lies already. One would a fool to believe that there is no downfall to the american people.[/QUOTE]

I'm not as cynical as you when it comes to this adminstration. What lies have they told?

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It will eliminate private plans, and costs may initially come done. It cannot be avoided.

If the government can undercut the insurance companies very easily. You require every family to get insurance as they are, then regulate the cost of private insurance up.

However, in order to cut costs, and the only way to do that is to limit whom you are going to treat. I.e., the old, the very young, the chronically ill. It goes on and on.

The latter point is what concerns me, a friend in England had the same cancer I did, she was treated under the British System, I here. She died, I live - because I had the choice of paying for my treatment myself.

She did not.

Frisco[/QUOTE]

Sorry about your friend. Welp, formulate your plan of dissent and go with it. I'm not onboard your train. I support the public option. I support mandates for the uninsured and I support the President in his efforts put this country back on a prosperous footing.

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Originally posted by WepsFP:

No sense, why is that? You don't beleive indvidual health care cost will come down when there is a public option?

It's a good deal any way you look at it as far as I can tell.

You seem to think the public option will eliminate your ability to stick with your plan. You can explain why anytime now.[/QUOTE]

Because they lie. Their record of lying to us is becoming a historical record. There is over a thousand pages in that bill, that most of congress won't even read. On page 349, it can say one thing and on page 978, it could say the complete opposite. It is foolish to trust them. How, after all the distrust you put in the last adminsitration, can you believe the current one without question? Especially when they have be caught in so many lies already. One would a fool to believe that there is no downfall to the american people.[/QUOTE]

I'm not as cynical as you when it comes to this adminstration. What lies have they told.[/QUOTE]

I got to lighten the mood.

So this is my response, problem is I think it is true:

"I thought politicians lied everytime they opened their mouths." So I can't give you a specific their mouths are open and blabbing so much!"

Ok so I am a cynic on politicians.

Frisco