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The passion surrounding the expression "socialism" has less to do with the actual meaning of the word, than its associations with foreignness, anti-Americanism, and racial difference. If its reemergence and use sound antiquated and anachronistic, the motivations for its revival become clearer when placed in a context of latent white anxiety toward a black president. The "birther" movement and its concern over Mr. Obama's origins were but an earlier sign of these race-based, xenophobic sentiments held by some.

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Most certainly its RACISM, since it goes against the grain of the LIB Mantra it obviously has got to be RACISM ! ! !

No Doubt About It . . .

Everyone, other than the purest of LIB, are RACISTS ! ! !

Those that believe in Individual Accountability are Racists

Those that believe in Personal Responsibility are Racists

Those that believe in the value of education and working hard will secure your future and our nation's future are Racists

Those that believe in GOD and that marriage is between a man and a woman are Racists

Those that don't accept Same Sex Everything Goes are Racists

Everything that opposes, is labeled "racist". The "racist" might possibly be the "joo" of the Obama "Reich"(just a comparisson, don't want to get any leftist panties in a wad). We might see the day when, once your labeled a "racist", you may have your property seized, you may lose your job, lose your government sponsored health care, and you may be recommended for "re-education". Eh....maybe....maybe not....

I am so sick and tired of this kind of crap that is contained in SenClaghorn's post!

I am not a racist, in it's true meaning and I may not totally agree with Elliot. But I oppose just about everything the libs stand for.

psychoABN my husband is Jewish, my son-in-law, and all my children are Jewish, I am Catholic.

So at some point and time in History one part our family or another has known the true meaning of racism. Not how it is defined by the libs.

In connection to your post psychoABN, I let my husband read it. And he agrees with you and so do I.

To those libs that would even think of that kind of solution to our and others opposition to you. Our message to you is:

if that does becomes the Libs solution, this time we will fight not unlike the heroes of the Warsaw Ghetto and we will exact a heavy price.

So my best advice to you is stay out of our lives in the first place and keep your hatred of freedom loving people to yourself!

Frisco

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I am so sick and tired of this kind of crap that is contained in SenClaghorn's post!

Wow. Interesting article from Christian Science Monitor without comment from me. So what are you sick of? Free speech?

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Originally posted by SenClaghorn:

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I am so sick and tired of this kind of crap that is contained in SenClaghorn's post!

Wow. Interesting article from Christian Science Monitor without comment from me. So what are you sick of? Free speech?

Maybe I am reading too much into the post in the first place, however even that quote to me is objectionable.

No the CSM implying that anyone is a racist because they oppose everything that Obama and his ilk stands for!

The Christian religion including my Church has been pretty damning towards those that believe differently than they. My suggestion to the CSM is shut the hell up and keep YOUR racist opinions to yourselves.

I apologize to you if that quote is not your belief.

Frisco

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No the CSM implying that anyone is a racist because they oppose everything that Obama and his ilk stands for!

The epithet "socialist" appeared to me to mean more then what it's common usage, so when I saw this article it's conclusion resonated with me. After reading the posts above I am sure that it's usage means much more then the obvious.

I first was afraid this would happen back in the primaries. Any criticism of Barak Obama must be race based.

Frisco Lady, I'm one of President Obama's "ILK" . A combat veteran a disabled veteran and a patriot. You find SenClaghorn's post objectionable, well I find them reasoned and designed to instigate intelligent conversation not personal attacks like Elliot1980 does on a regular basis. Debate the issues but don't do a knee jerk post. The right wing lost the last election, President Obama won. Many of the attacks are racist. If you find yourself opposing his realignment of our national policies, then state why you oppose them don't attack the poster.

Well, of course it is...that's his ticket to ride to put his agenda in place. Look at the course that "Hate Crime" legislation is taking...It's becoming an issue of "Thought Crime"...

Elliot, you are a racist. I am perplexed as to why you are allowed to post on Military.com as all of your posts are offensive.

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Originally posted by psychoABN:

Everything that opposes, is labeled "racist".

The "racist" might possibly be the "joo" of the Obama "Reich" (just a comparison, don't want to get any leftist panties in a wad).

We might see the day when, once your labeled a "racist", you may have your property seized, you may lose your job, lose your government sponsored health care, and you may be recommended for "re-education".

Eh....maybe....maybe not....

Very, Very Probable, Indeed . . .

Either submit or be penalized for your ill-thought ways...

The Thought Police, enforced by programmed children of an Obama Education/Indoctrination...

First, our children are taught to sing songs of praise for their president...

Then, live the president's philosophy, later, for special recognition..., report the violators/non-conformists of president's philosophy...

What is old is new again . . .History repeats itself, b/c we ignore the signs of the past...

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Originally posted by ThumperNM:
Elliot, you are a racist. I am perplexed as to why you are allowed to post on Military.com as all of your posts are offensive.

This is exactly what I was speaking of in my post.

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Originally posted by ThumperNM:
Elliot, you are a racist. I am perplexed as to why you are allowed to post on Military.com as all of your posts are offensive.

A Racist? Not so sure. Confused and frustrated? More likely.

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Originally posted by ThumperNM:

Elliott, you are a racist.

I am perplexed as to why you are allowed to post on Military.com as all of your posts are offensive.

I accept your accusation as a badge of honor.

If being a White, Heterosexual, Southern Born, Believes in GOD, Veteran, Non-Conformist of LIB Mantra seems Offensive..., So Be It, I'm a (LIB defined) Racist then, and can very easily walk away from Mil.com if asked, by Responsible Heads, not by a LIB, if that happens to be your leaning...

What say you Jack . . .

Yes, we all know that only white people are capable of racism...white people are the DEVIL, especially those conservative white people, they are responsible for all EVIL in the world.

Its so refreshing to have ThumperNM to be our Thought Police Officer, enforcing the PC Laws, and righting all the perceived wrongs toward LIBs on mil.com

Welcome Thumper, now, Watch Your Lane . . .hero

I think this is more or less fair - liberals are calling conservatives one of the worst things they can think of (racist), despite knowing (I presume) that most conservatives are not. Likewise, conservatives are calling liberals socialists, despite knowing (I presume) that most liberals are not. Neither one is accurate, both designed to impugn and offend, and about as civilized as two monkeys flinging poo at each other.

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Frisco Lady, I'm one of President Obama's "ILK" . A combat veteran a disabled veteran and a patriot. You find SenClaghorn's post objectionable, well I find them reasoned and designed to instigate intelligent conversation not personal attacks like Elliot1980 does on a regular basis. Debate the issues but don't do a knee jerk post. The right wing lost the last election, President Obama won. Many of the attacks are racist. If you find yourself opposing his realignment of our national policies, then state why you oppose them don't attack the poster.

Thumper you are correct and I am sorry that I went off on SenClaghorn.

I find all of Obama's agenda offensive from the take over of the banks, the automakers, dictating to CEOs of various and assundry corps. what they will receive for pay, and most heinous to me at the moment is the dems and his attempt to take over the health care industry. And I regard his, and his parties agenda as facist and most be opposed at all costs.

But that comes from my family's experiences with the politics of the Third Reich. Not so much but as important to me, my husband's and son-in-laws family's experiences in the Holocaust.

I am also a retired veteran, been there and done that at various times in my career and so is my husband. He is a Vietnam and Iraq veteran and very, very loyal to the US. However, if this government both democrat and republican continue to follow the path it has over the last few administration, but especially this one. We may have a choice to make.

And if as in Psycho posted it were to ever go as he said, our choice would be made for us and we would have to stand even more defiantly against this administration.

I doubt the modern American citizenry would allow such, but that was once said of the people of my birth nation Germany.

I am very, very touchy on this subject.

Again SenClaghorn I owe you an apology and you have it sincerely.

Frisco

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Originally posted by ThumperNM:
Elliot, you are a racist. I am perplexed as to why you are allowed to post on Military.com as all of your posts are offensive.

A Racist? Not so sure. Confused and frustrated? More likely.

Just ain't got the nads..., do you?

Frustrated, hell yes, I'm frustrated, that our Warriors put their arses on the line for LIBs that don't deserve their sacrifices.

Honorable and Selfless Service that is looked upon with disdain b/c that is money wanted for PEACE DIVIDEND not strong national defense...

Then good ole Jack comes along..., comfortably at his abode, sits at his keyboard to flex his superiority, since he was USAF, he positions himself at the seat of judgement and decrees who is/is not a Racist . . .

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Again SenClaghorn I owe you an apology and you have it sincerely.

I accept your apology although I do not believe it necessary. I hear your frustration and it reminds me of the same frustration I felt during the Bush administration.

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Originally posted by SenClaghorn:

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Originally posted by ThumperNM:
Elliot, you are a racist. I am perplexed as to why you are allowed to post on Military.com as all of your posts are offensive.

A Racist? Not so sure. Confused and frustrated? More likely.

Just ain't got the nads..., do you?

Frustrated, hell yes, I'm frustrated, that our Warriors put their arses on the line for LIBs that don't deserve their sacrifices.

Honorable and Selfless Service that is looked upon with disdain b/c that is money wanted for PEACE DIVIDEND not strong national defense...

Then good ole Jack comes along..., comfortably at his abode, sits at his keyboard to flex his superiority, since he was USAF, he positions himself at the seat of judgement and decrees who is/is not a Racist . . .

nads for what? To call you a racist? Fact is I don't know you. It surely has nothing to do with what I got between my legs. As for service, I see nothing political about it. It is service to the Country because we believe in it. That service is limited to cons.

Any government program or set of programs that take substance/wealth from and tax the working middle class to give to the upper class and the lower class, which neither has earned through the sweat of their collective brow is called what?? For lack of a better term, Socialism will work. But we could call it Changeism or Obamaism, if we want new terms - but it certainly is not Americanism ...

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Originally posted by greywolfghost:
Any government program or set of programs that take substance/wealth from and tax the working middle class to give to the upper class and the lower class, which neither has earned through the sweat of their collective brow is called what?? For lack of a better term, Socialism will work. But we could call it Changeism or Obamaism, if we want new terms - but it certainly is not Americanism ...

Please explain to me how Obamas short administration is anymore "socialist" then any other administration over the last 50 years and I would agree. Fact is it is not.

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Again SenClaghorn I owe you an apology and you have it sincerely.

I accept your apology although I do not believe it necessary. I hear your frustration and it reminds me of the same frustration I felt during the Bush administration.

If it were possible for you and I to sit down and chat face to face, I think you would find I was just as frustrated with the Bush administration as you.

We have been moving on the national level in political direction that frankly terrifies me.

And it has not truly mattered which party was in power except under this one we seem to be moving much faster.

I truly trust neither major political party and their agendas.

God Bless and keep you and yours,

Frisco

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I truly trust neither major political party and their agendas.

Me neither, but it is all we got.

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I truly trust neither major political party and their agendas.

Me neither, but it is all we got.

For the moment, but let's keep working to change that fact.

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Originally posted by SenClaghorn:

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I truly trust neither major political party and their agendas.

Me neither, but it is all we got.

For the moment, but let's keep working to change that fact.

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Originally posted by greywolfghost:
Any government program or set of programs that take substance/wealth from and tax the working middle class to give to the upper class and the lower class, which neither has earned through the sweat of their collective brow is called what?? For lack of a better term, Socialism will work. But we could call it Changeism or Obamaism, if we want new terms - but it certainly is not Americanism ...

Please explain to me how Obamas short administration is anymore "socialist" then any other administration over the last 50 years and I would agree. Fact is it is not.

One can probably go through Johnson's Great Society, Nixon's Detent', Carter's fiasco, Reagan's Arms Race, Bush's Desert Storm, Clinton's touchy-feelly, Bush II's whack saddam - add it all up, and not match the spending of taxpayers into subservience that Obama has done in just a few months - His programs of Welfare for the Rich and the "undocumented" will effectively make all the rest of us chattels of the State - -

The only effective means you have of getting out from under the $30,000.00 of debt that has been dropped on your head is to declare yourself indigent and homeless, or a CEO of some failing bank - - In the first case, you might get free health care. In the second, you will get a multi-million dollar bonus . . .

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Originally posted by SenClaghorn:

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Originally posted by greywolfghost:
Any government program or set of programs that take substance/wealth from and tax the working middle class to give to the upper class and the lower class, which neither has earned through the sweat of their collective brow is called what?? For lack of a better term, Socialism will work. But we could call it Changeism or Obamaism, if we want new terms - but it certainly is not Americanism ...

Please explain to me how Obamas short administration is anymore "socialist" then any other administration over the last 50 years and I would agree. Fact is it is not.

One can probably go through Johnson's Great Society, Nixon's Detent', Carter's fiasco, Reagan's Arms Race, Bush's Desert Storm, Clinton's touchy-feelly, Bush II's whack saddam - add it all up, and not match the spending of taxpayers into subservience that Obama has done in just a few months - His programs of Welfare for the Rich and the "undocumented" will effectively make all the rest of us chattels of the State - -

I am afraid you got the wrong branch. Congress deserves this indictment.