Here is an interesting bit of information regarding the actual test given to the firefighters:

"New Haven paid a reported $100,000 to I/O Solutions to devise a nondiscriminatory test. It wound up being 60 percent written, 40 percent oral. To judge the candidates’ oral responses, New Haven paid to bring in 30 veteran fire department managers from around the country, two-thirds of them minority…” NY Times.

Yet still, all 27 blacks failed the test. What more could be done? How much more of taxpayers money must be spent?

Left-wing schemes are quite expensive, and detrimental to society as a whole..

What kinds of questions were on the test..?

Anyway, its amazing to me that this even had to go to the Supreme Court. Denying an earned promotion because the person is white? Isn't that racism? Don't call it reverse racism. Racism is racism.

quote:

Originally posted by KoRnAdvocate:
What kinds of questions were on the test..?

Anyway, its amazing to me that this even had to go to the Supreme Court. Denying an earned promotion because the person is white? Isn't that racism? Don't call it reverse racism. Racism is racism.

They paid 100,000 to make sure it was nondiscriminatory...what more do you want? Investigate the company that did it? Were the minorities who gave the oral portion of the test "sell-outs,"??

This is a result of the "victim" culture, and the politicially correct culture....

In todays world, if you put in the hours, you'll reap the rewards...without question, without exception that is the truth...

Were the people who failed just idiots or did someone tamper with their grades? That seems to be the only 2 possibilities for anyone to consider. If someone wants an investigation, then investigate. But you certainly cant punish those who passed, especially if all but one belong to the same race.

quote:

Originally posted by KoRnAdvocate:
Were the people who failed just idiots or did someone tamper with their grades? That seems to be the only 2 possibilities for anyone to consider. If someone wants an investigation, then investigate. But you certainly cant punish those who passed, especially if all but one belong to the same race.

Actually several black fire fighters did pass the examination, but did not score high enough....I believe half of all applicants failed anyway.

Then again think about where we are talking about...its Connecticut for christ sakes, how large of a black population do they have up there? Statistically I do not belive there are any anomolies...

Good point. At least common sense prevailed, this time, but 5-4? It came THAT close?

quote:

Originally posted by KoRnAdvocate:
Good point. At least common sense prevailed, this time, but 5-4? It came THAT close?

5-4 was down right puzzling. I expected 8-1 with ultra-leftist Ginsburg the only dissenting voice...

Then again, this is a sign that Chief Roberts does not have a handle on HIS court yet...5-4 rulings have been pretty consistent since he arrived..

quote:

Then again, this is a sign that Chief Roberts does not have a handle on HIS court yet..

ummm...yeah...see it doesn't really work like that.

The Chief justice isn't supposed to get justices to reach a certain agreement.

I was in the Navy. I was thinking. What if every AD2 going up for AD1 were sent a notice that since not enough minorities passed the rating exam no one would be advanced. I would have thought tat was a lousy deal. That's what the New Haven fire fighters got.The Supreme Court set things right.
I concur with ConservativeHawkP. I didn't think it would be that close. Not 5-4.

quote:

I was in the Navy. I was thinking. What if every AD2 going up for AD1 were sent a notice that since not enough minorities passed the rating exam no one would be advanced. I would have thought tat was a lousy deal.

or say the year before you get out they only promoted ONE person from OTA3 to OTA2 and then after you get out they promote every OTA3 to OTA2 unless you were extra stupid.

I would have thought that was a lousy deal too and possibly carried a grudge about it for the rest of my life since lack of promotions in my rating was a main reason for me leaving the Navy.

hypothetically...

quote:

Originally posted by ConservativeHawkP:

quote:

Originally posted by KoRnAdvocate:
What kinds of questions were on the test..?

Anyway, its amazing to me that this even had to go to the Supreme Court. Denying an earned promotion because the person is white? Isn't that racism? Don't call it reverse racism. Racism is racism.

They paid 100,000 to make sure it was nondiscriminatory...what more do you want? Investigate the company that did it? Were the minorities who gave the oral portion of the test "sell-outs,"??

This is a result of the "victim" culture, and the politicially correct culture....

In todays world, if you put in the hours, you'll reap the rewards...without question, without exception that is the truth...

I understand what you are saying and I agree with what you have posted. But you have to look at the morons on these boards. They are Liberals to the death with a high school eduction who love and cherish the Barney Franks of this world.

quote:

Originally posted by KoRnAdvocate:
Were the people who failed just idiots or did someone tamper with their grades? That seems to be the only 2 possibilities for anyone to consider. If someone wants an investigation, then investigate. But you certainly cant punish those who passed, especially if all but one belong to the same race.

To answer your two asinine opening questions...
Those who did not pass the tests WERE NOT IDIOTS!
And, NO their test scores were not 'tampered with'.
Out of 118 applicants taking the test, more than 50% failed to pass...a passing grade of 80% is required.
The test is a standardized format for all firefighters desiring promotion to Lieutenant or Captain.
In this case...60% written, 40% verbal.
The written usually covers all facets of Basic Firefighting Principles, Training, Policies and Procedures, as well as Situational/Hypothetical Incidents. The verbal is pretty much the same.
To lesen the chances of 'cheating', each test booklet IS NOT THE SAME...as far as question content. The questions are the same; but, not printed in the same order...
The test is not easy, and does require lots of preparation/studying. Failure rate in these tests is always high, so A 50% failure rate within the New Haven Fire Department is not at all that unusual for ANY Fire Department exam.

Where I live,there are a few Fire Districts...
City of Tucson Fire Department, Golder Ranch Fire District, Rural Metro/Mountain View, Northwest Fire, and Drexel Heights. Their tests for promotion are pretty much the same format in content; but, as stated above...different as well.
Sometimes, the written part is 'open book', sometimes not.

Firefighters, for the extremely large majority, are highly educated and trained individuals, who take pride in their work.
Then again, there are those 'ten percenters'...like ANYWHERE IN THE WORK FORCE!

Better yet, why don't you walk up to a firefighter and ask him those same questions?

I'd like to be there while you get your ears literally pinned back by his/her response.

quote:

Originally posted by ConservativeHawkP:

quote:

Originally posted by KoRnAdvocate:
Were the people who failed just idiots or did someone tamper with their grades? That seems to be the only 2 possibilities for anyone to consider. If someone wants an investigation, then investigate. But you certainly cant punish those who passed, especially if all but one belong to the same race.

Actually several black fire fighters did pass the examination, but did not score high enough....I believe half of all applicants failed anyway.

Then again think about where we are talking about...its Connecticut for christ sakes, how large of a black population do they have up there? Statistically I do not belive there are any anomolies...

The test was the the following...
There were 77 candidates for Lieutenant...
There were 41 candidates for Captain...

Only 56 received passing grades of 80% (minimum) or higher...
41 were white
9 were black
6 were Hispanic

For those successful candidates considered for promotion...the highest test scores were considered...a total of 19 candidates.

quote:

Originally posted by Duster6:

quote:

Originally posted by ConservativeHawkP:

quote:

Originally posted by KoRnAdvocate:
What kinds of questions were on the test..?

Anyway, its amazing to me that this even had to go to the Supreme Court. Denying an earned promotion because the person is white? Isn't that racism? Don't call it reverse racism. Racism is racism.

They paid 100,000 to make sure it was nondiscriminatory...what more do you want? Investigate the company that did it? Were the minorities who gave the oral portion of the test "sell-outs,"??

This is a result of the "victim" culture, and the politicially correct culture....

In todays world, if you put in the hours, you'll reap the rewards...without question, without exception that is the truth...

I understand what you are saying and I agree with what you have posted. But you have to look at the morons on these boards. They are Liberals to the death with a high school eduction who love and cherish the Barney Franks of this world.

Tone it down duster. You are way over the top.

This is a warning...

MD

OK. Sorry.

quote:

Originally posted by strobelvets:
Personally I pray, We the People might hope to overcome our belief in ultimate worth and societal potential based ONLY upon the relative pigment in ones own skin...

If We are to compete internationally, economically...successfully...We must pull together...

quote:

Originally posted by NEMESIS1960:

quote:

Originally posted by strobelvets:
Personally I pray, We the People might hope to overcome our belief in ultimate worth and societal potential based ONLY upon the relative pigment in ones own skin...

If We are to compete internationally, economically...successfully...We must pull together...

Thats the key is it not? What people who quote numbers from the WHO and numbers on gun violence ect ect ect always fail to take into account is the fact they we are a very diverse nation..in every sense of the word.

Any nation you want to look at that has diverse population always has higher instances of social problems. Its just the way it is when two or more cultures clash.

This all goes back to what I think the root issue of almost all our problems is: a lack of a unified national identitiy.

quote:

Originally posted by ConservativeHawkP:
Here is an interesting bit of information regarding the actual test given to the firefighters:

"New Haven paid a reported $100,000 to I/O Solutions to devise a nondiscriminatory test. It wound up being 60 percent written, 40 percent oral. To judge the candidates’ oral responses, New Haven paid to bring in 30 veteran fire department managers from around the country, two-thirds of them minority…” NY Times.

Yet still, all 27 blacks failed the test. What more could be done? How much more of taxpayers money must be spent?

Left-wing schemes are quite expensive, and detrimental to society as a whole..

All 27 African-American applicants didn't fail the test.

The 5-4 decision by the SCOTUS, at least temporarily, separates the rules of disparate impact and intentional discrimination. In the past if a workplace rule caused disparate impact racially, then it violated the Civil Rights Act of 1964. The decision of the Court of Appeals, overturned by the SCOTUS, was a 3-judge ruling that Sotomayor joined without dissent and was in support of a lower court ruling and the decision by the city.

The issue isn't about promotions, because nobody received a promotion in preference to the white firefighters that brought suit. The issue was about throwing out a test, which might have had a disparate impact, and could have been argued in court as being discriminatory.

"Monday's decision has its origins in New Haven's need to fill vacancies for lieutenants and captains in its fire department. It hired an outside firm to design a test, which was given to 77 candidates for lieutenant and 41 candidates for captain.

Fifty-six firefighters passed the exams, including 41 whites, nine blacks and six Hispanics. But of those, only 17 whites and two Hispanics could expect promotion.

The city eventually decided not to use the exam to determine promotions. It said it acted because it might have been vulnerable to claims that the exam had a "disparate impact" on minorities in violation of the Civil Rights Act of 1964."

Consequently, the white firefighters who did well on the test felt that throwing out the test was discriminatory towards them, which it undoubtedly was. Whenever you favor one person or group over another, for any reason, it is discriminatory. This is the first time the SCOTUS has ruled that disparate impact is not sufficient to show illegal workplace discriminatory practices.

Only 1 of 21 Fire Department Captains in Boston as of 2003 are African-American, which although not proof of discriminatory practices, makes one wonder what the determinant was for Captain before the city of Boston hired the outside firm.

Discrimination is difficult to prove, and the US military has struggled with this for years. For the past 20 years or so all senior enlisted and officer promotions are reviewed for racial and gender discrimination, using disparate impact as the determinant. If African-American candidates for promotion are not selected at the same percentage as the overall rate, the records of those individuals who were not selected but still fully qualified are re-considered for the effects of discrimination. If it is determined by the re-evaluation that there has been intentional or even accidental discrimination, then those non-selected individuals are raised above the promotion line. Since there is only a certain number permitted by law to hold a specific rank, this raising above the select line has the consequence of lowering those who otherwise would have been selected and making them non-selects for that promotion. Afterwards the list is reconstituted to an alphabetical list and the merit list is destroyed along with all notes made by those on the promotion board.

If you're not going to use disparate impact to determine discrimination in the active duty promotion process, what will be used instead..?

quote:

Originally posted by mmulder67:

quote:

Originally posted by GunnyRet03:

quote:

Originally posted by mmulder67:
The issues surrounding the specific test administered would appear to be the single most important factor in the lawsuit.
Who picked that particular test to administer and have they used that test in the past?
Why would it favor a specific ethnicity over another if all the employees are supposed to have the same training and education (if required for employment)?

quote:

Writing for the four dissenting justices, Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg complained that the ruling means that New Haven, with a minority population totaling almost 60 percent, “must today be served — as it was in the days of undisguised discrimination — by a fire department in which member of racial and ethnic minorities are rarely seen in command decisions.”

The community must be served by those most qualified to do the job.
If the test was administered fairly (and no one is saying it wasn't) then this is simply a case of individuals wanting something they earned and not a case of discrimination against those who didn't score high enough to earn it.
If the city wants a "fairer?" test then the next time they can choose a different test to administer.
BUT....what happens if the different test produces the same results?

I believe a Hispanic scored well on that test also and was passed over.

Correct.
Was there a point to your comment?

What's the problem? I was going to add the same to show it's not just a victory for "Whites" but for anyone who took the test and passed with the highest scores.

Don

The Supreme Court dealt them a blow, but they vow to fight on.

“It’s going to set us back 45 years in” encouraging fire departments to hire more blacks, Hispanics and women, said Lt. Gary Tinney, president of the New Haven Firebirds, a fraternal group for black firefighters. He accused the Supreme Court of “changing the rules in the middle of the game” by coming up with new criteria for how cities should apply Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. And he said he expects a backlash from victorious white colleagues and firefighter unions.

What the losing firefighters in New Haven have to say and their intentions. (With video).

>>>http://www.newhavenindependent.org/archives/2009/06/the_supreme_cou_1.php

quote:

Originally posted by jdksfcret:
The Supreme Court dealt them a blow, but they vow to fight on.

“It’s going to set us back 45 years in” encouraging fire departments to hire more blacks, Hispanics and women, said Lt. Gary Tinney, president of the New Haven Firebirds, a fraternal group for black firefighters. He accused the Supreme Court of “changing the rules in the middle of the game” by coming up with new criteria for how cities should apply Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. And he said he expects a backlash from victorious white colleagues and firefighter unions.

What the losing firefighters in New Haven have to say and their intentions. (With video).

>>>http://www.newhavenindependent.org/archives/2009/06/the_supreme_cou_1.php

Something IS going to set the "fraternal order of black firefighters" back 45 years..their own belief that blacks cannot compete with whites, cannot meet the same standards, and therefore must be treated as lesser men.

quote:

Originally posted by Hoffy1951:

quote:

Originally posted by KoRnAdvocate:
Were the people who failed just idiots or did someone tamper with their grades? That seems to be the only 2 possibilities for anyone to consider. If someone wants an investigation, then investigate. But you certainly cant punish those who passed, especially if all but one belong to the same race.

To answer your two asinine opening questions...
Those who did not pass the tests WERE NOT IDIOTS!
And, NO their test scores were not 'tampered with'.
Out of 118 applicants taking the test, more than 50% failed to pass...a passing grade of 80% is required.
The test is a standardized format for all firefighters desiring promotion to Lieutenant or Captain.
In this case...60% written, 40% verbal.
The written usually covers all facets of Basic Firefighting Principles, Training, Policies and Procedures, as well as Situational/Hypothetical Incidents. The verbal is pretty much the same.
To lesen the chances of 'cheating', each test booklet IS NOT THE SAME...as far as question content. The questions are the same; but, not printed in the same order...
The test is not easy, and does require lots of preparation/studying. Failure rate in these tests is always high, so A 50% failure rate within the New Haven Fire Department is not at all that unusual for ANY Fire Department exam.

Where I live,there are a few Fire Districts...
City of Tucson Fire Department, Golder Ranch Fire District, Rural Metro/Mountain View, Northwest Fire, and Drexel Heights. Their tests for promotion are pretty much the same format in content; but, as stated above...different as well.
Sometimes, the written part is 'open book', sometimes not.

Firefighters, for the extremely large majority, are highly educated and trained individuals, who take pride in their work.
Then again, there are those 'ten percenters'...like ANYWHERE IN THE WORK FORCE!

Better yet, why don't you walk up to a firefighter and ask him those same questions?

I'd like to be there while you get your ears literally pinned back by his/her response.

Sorry, when you study for a test and dont pass it, you're an idiot. Nothing wrong with being an idiot. I've failed math tests before. Math doesn't agree with me. So I'm an idiot in math. You really are way too sensitive. And I know fire fighters. They would agree with me. Have a nice day.

quote:

Originally posted by 21yrsUSCGUSCS:

quote:

Originally posted by mmulder67:

quote:

Originally posted by GunnyRet03:

quote:

Originally posted by mmulder67:
The issues surrounding the specific test administered would appear to be the single most important factor in the lawsuit.
Who picked that particular test to administer and have they used that test in the past?
Why would it favor a specific ethnicity over another if all the employees are supposed to have the same training and education (if required for employment)?

quote:

Writing for the four dissenting justices, Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg complained that the ruling means that New Haven, with a minority population totaling almost 60 percent, “must today be served — as it was in the days of undisguised discrimination — by a fire department in which member of racial and ethnic minorities are rarely seen in command decisions.”

The community must be served by those most qualified to do the job.
If the test was administered fairly (and no one is saying it wasn't) then this is simply a case of individuals wanting something they earned and not a case of discrimination against those who didn't score high enough to earn it.
If the city wants a "fairer?" test then the next time they can choose a different test to administer.
BUT....what happens if the different test produces the same results?

I believe a Hispanic scored well on that test also and was passed over.

Correct.
Was there a point to your comment?

What's the problem? I was going to add the same to show it's not just a victory for "Whites" but for anyone who took the test and passed with the highest scores.

Don

Same thing I told the other guy:
R e a l....s l o w....f o r...y o u.
I DIDN'T SPECIFY ANY PARTICULAR RACE!
Read my post again and let me know where I stated "white guys" or "black guys" or "hispanic guys".
I was talking about the test itself and those INDIVIDUALS that EARNED a passing score.
Why do people need to make it a race issue?
Why can't it be about INDIVIDUALS who passed or failed?
Because that wouldn't be "fair" to those that didn't or couldn't get a high enough score...?
Uhhhh?.....Maybe study more?
What would have happened if the "white" firefighters had lost the case?
That would have sent the message to all the "minority?" firefighters that they don't need to know squat. They just have to pass the test and they'll get promoted ahead of more qualified individuals.
SCOTUS got this one right even if just barely!

quote:

Originally posted by mmulder67:

quote:

Originally posted by 21yrsUSCGUSCS:

quote:

Originally posted by mmulder67:

quote:

Originally posted by GunnyRet03:

quote:

Originally posted by mmulder67:
The issues surrounding the specific test administered would appear to be the single most important factor in the lawsuit.
Who picked that particular test to administer and have they used that test in the past?
Why would it favor a specific ethnicity over another if all the employees are supposed to have the same training and education (if required for employment)?

quote:

Writing for the four dissenting justices, Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg complained that the ruling means that New Haven, with a minority population totaling almost 60 percent, “must today be served — as it was in the days of undisguised discrimination — by a fire department in which member of racial and ethnic minorities are rarely seen in command decisions.”

The community must be served by those most qualified to do the job.
If the test was administered fairly (and no one is saying it wasn't) then this is simply a case of individuals wanting something they earned and not a case of discrimination against those who didn't score high enough to earn it.
If the city wants a "fairer?" test then the next time they can choose a different test to administer.
BUT....what happens if the different test produces the same results?

I believe a Hispanic scored well on that test also and was passed over.

Correct.
Was there a point to your comment?

What's the problem? I was going to add the same to show it's not just a victory for "Whites" but for anyone who took the test and passed with the highest scores.

Don

Same thing I told the other guy:
R e a l....s l o w....f o r...y o u.
I DIDN'T SPECIFY ANY PARTICULAR RACE!
Read my post again and let me know where I stated "white guys" or "black guys" or "hispanic guys".
I was talking about the test itself and those INDIVIDUALS that EARNED a passing score.
Why do people need to make it a race issue?
Why can't it be about INDIVIDUALS who passed or failed?
Because that wouldn't be "fair" to those that didn't or couldn't get a high enough score...?
Uhhhh?.....Maybe study more?
What would have happened if the "white" firefighters had lost the case?
That would have sent the message to all the "minority?" firefighters that they don't need to know squat. They just have to pass the test and they'll get promoted ahead of more qualified individuals.
SCOTUS got this one right even if just barely!

You missed the point it wasnt about you post per se. It was an addition that others passed the test and happened to not be shhhhh.....White.


Francis.....

quote:

Originally posted by GunnyRet03:

quote:

Originally posted by mmulder67:
Same thing I told the other guy:
R e a l....s l o w....f o r...y o u.
I DIDN'T SPECIFY ANY PARTICULAR RACE!
Read my post again and let me know where I stated "white guys" or "black guys" or "hispanic guys".
I was talking about the test itself and those INDIVIDUALS that EARNED a passing score.
Why do people need to make it a race issue?
Why can't it be about INDIVIDUALS who passed or failed?
Because that wouldn't be "fair" to those that didn't or couldn't get a high enough score...?
Uhhhh?.....Maybe study more?
What would have happened if the "white" firefighters had lost the case?
That would have sent the message to all the "minority?" firefighters that they don't need to know squat. They just have to pass the test and they'll get promoted ahead of more qualified individuals.
SCOTUS got this one right even if just barely!

As usual, nothing substantive to add.

quote:

Originally posted by GunnyRet03:

quote:

Originally posted by mmulder67:

Same thing I told the other guy:
R e a l....s l o w....f o r...y o u.
I DIDN'T SPECIFY ANY PARTICULAR RACE!
Read my post again and let me know where I stated "white guys" or "black guys" or "hispanic guys".
I was talking about the test itself and those INDIVIDUALS that EARNED a passing score.
Why do people need to make it a race issue?
Why can't it be about INDIVIDUALS who passed or failed?
Because that wouldn't be "fair" to those that didn't or couldn't get a high enough score...?
Uhhhh?.....Maybe study more?
What would have happened if the "white" firefighters had lost the case?
That would have sent the message to all the "minority?" firefighters that they don't need to know squat. They just have to pass the test and they'll get promoted ahead of more qualified individuals.
SCOTUS got this one right even if just barely!

You missed the point it wasnt about you post per se. It was an addition that others passed the test and happened to not be shhhhh.....White.


Francis.....

Nice correction...not!
I didn't miss anything.
Who brought race into the equation?...Oh yeah! YOU DID!
Seems that you're the one missing things.
Can't address the FACT that I didn't mention the race of those that qualified for promotion in my post.
I am not the one making it a race issue Maxine.....

quote:

Originally posted by mmulder67:

quote:

Originally posted by GunnyRet03:

quote:

Originally posted by mmulder67:
Same thing I told the other guy:
R e a l....s l o w....f o r...y o u.
I DIDN'T SPECIFY ANY PARTICULAR RACE!
Read my post again and let me know where I stated "white guys" or "black guys" or "hispanic guys".
I was talking about the test itself and those INDIVIDUALS that EARNED a passing score.
Why do people need to make it a race issue?
Why can't it be about INDIVIDUALS who passed or failed?
Because that wouldn't be "fair" to those that didn't or couldn't get a high enough score...?
Uhhhh?.....Maybe study more?
What would have happened if the "white" firefighters had lost the case?
That would have sent the message to all the "minority?" firefighters that they don't need to know squat. They just have to pass the test and they'll get promoted ahead of more qualified individuals.
SCOTUS got this one right even if just barely!

As usual, nothing substantive to add.

That was added to the first post in question remember, the one you had a hissy fit on.

quote:

Originally posted by GunnyRet03:

quote:

Originally posted by mmulder67:

quote:

Originally posted by GunnyRet03:

quote:

Originally posted by mmulder67:
Same thing I told the other guy:
R e a l....s l o w....f o r...y o u.
I DIDN'T SPECIFY ANY PARTICULAR RACE!
Read my post again and let me know where I stated "white guys" or "black guys" or "hispanic guys".
I was talking about the test itself and those INDIVIDUALS that EARNED a passing score.
Why do people need to make it a race issue?
Why can't it be about INDIVIDUALS who passed or failed?
Because that wouldn't be "fair" to those that didn't or couldn't get a high enough score...?
Uhhhh?.....Maybe study more?
What would have happened if the "white" firefighters had lost the case?
That would have sent the message to all the "minority?" firefighters that they don't need to know squat. They just have to pass the test and they'll get promoted ahead of more qualified individuals.
SCOTUS got this one right even if just barely!

As usual, nothing substantive to add.

That was added to the first post in question remember, the one you had a hissy fit on.

So you admit your doing nothing more then baiting people?
I should have known.
Sorry, no hissy fits here. Just calling you out on your duplicity.
Don't like it?
Stop doing it.
It's just that easy.

quote:

Originally posted by mmulder67:

quote:

Originally posted by GunnyRet03:

quote:

Originally posted by mmulder67:

Same thing I told the other guy:
R e a l....s l o w....f o r...y o u.
I DIDN'T SPECIFY ANY PARTICULAR RACE!
Read my post again and let me know where I stated "white guys" or "black guys" or "hispanic guys".
I was talking about the test itself and those INDIVIDUALS that EARNED a passing score.
Why do people need to make it a race issue?
Why can't it be about INDIVIDUALS who passed or failed?
Because that wouldn't be "fair" to those that didn't or couldn't get a high enough score...?
Uhhhh?.....Maybe study more?
What would have happened if the "white" firefighters had lost the case?
That would have sent the message to all the "minority?" firefighters that they don't need to know squat. They just have to pass the test and they'll get promoted ahead of more qualified individuals.
SCOTUS got this one right even if just barely!

You missed the point it wasnt about you post per se. It was an addition that others passed the test and happened to not be shhhhh.....White.


Francis.....

Nice correction...not!
I didn't miss anything.
Who brought race into the equation?...Oh yeah! YOU DID! Did I say you did? Nope.
Seems that you're the one missing things.
Can't address the FACT that I didn't mention the race of those that qualified for promotion in my post. Wasnt making that an issue
I am not the one making it a race issue Maxine.....

I wasnt the one making accusations, Skippy


Never said you did show where I accused you of anything. I simply added to your post with additional info.

quote:

Originally posted by mmulder67:

quote:

Originally posted by GunnyRet03:

quote:

Originally posted by mmulder67:

quote:

Originally posted by GunnyRet03:

quote:

Originally posted by mmulder67:
Same thing I told the other guy:
R e a l....s l o w....f o r...y o u.
I DIDN'T SPECIFY ANY PARTICULAR RACE!
Read my post again and let me know where I stated "white guys" or "black guys" or "hispanic guys".
I was talking about the test itself and those INDIVIDUALS that EARNED a passing score.
Why do people need to make it a race issue?
Why can't it be about INDIVIDUALS who passed or failed?
Because that wouldn't be "fair" to those that didn't or couldn't get a high enough score...?
Uhhhh?.....Maybe study more?
What would have happened if the "white" firefighters had lost the case?
That would have sent the message to all the "minority?" firefighters that they don't need to know squat. They just have to pass the test and they'll get promoted ahead of more qualified individuals.
SCOTUS got this one right even if just barely!

As usual, nothing substantive to add.

That was added to the first post in question remember, the one you had a hissy fit on.

So you admit your doing nothing more then baiting people?
I should have known.
Sorry, no hissy fits here. Just calling you out on your duplicity.
Don't like it?
Stop doing it.
It's just that easy.

OH, lord Mulder is in a rage. It's called an OBTW, Caveat, Have you heard? Etc.
Nobody is trying to bait you for godsakes, get over yourself.