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You've solved the worlds problems...just PAY everyone more! Brilliant!

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Originally posted by karlhungusjr:

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You've solved the worlds problems...just PAY everyone more! Brilliant!

It was Henry Fords idea originally.

Pay your workers enough to be able to buy the product they build. and cut costs through other means.

I like capitalism. do you?

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As long as its the company making the decisions. If a union worker does not like his salary/benefits then he or she should take their invaluable skills and education and find employment else where.

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Originally posted by RRR52:

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Originally posted by Yooper_tj:

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Originally posted by RRR52:

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Originally posted by Yooper_tj: ...cut life expectancy to get health care costs and social security back in the black.

The polytishuns may not openly tout it, but only very gullible or uninformed types of citizens will insist that this concept does not underlie a substantial part of the push for guvmint-bureaucrat-controlled healthcare rationing. If that should come to be, then on average, people will die sooner (as in other socialized medicine nations), and that serves well the Medicare and Social Insecurity accounts.

The old 'One man's downfall is another man's windfall' school of economics...

Only for those who see life as "us-them," and not "we." When freedom is compromised, in effect involuntarily taken at the point of a gun from those who have EARNED some better benefit, then the opportunity for something better is taken from all. Losers look at others who have EARNED better and whine about it, latching onto the degenerate, immoral person's idea that "They are better off by taking 'something' from me. They should have to give me some of their 'ill gotten' gains." Winners see that if others have EARNED something better, then they, too, have that opportunity to EARN something better and create better circumstances for themselves and their loved ones. So has it always been; so shall it always be. The involuntary collectivism has a strong history, not of bringing those less well-off up to higher levels, but only of dragging down to mediocrity (or less) those who have EARNED better but who have their wealth stolen away. And that eventually harms all, especially those young people and future generations. But we recognize that for many people the rationalizations are very selfish, so transmitting the blessings of liberty and economic freedom to those who come after are unimportant.

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Originally posted by RRR52:

Not exactly .... unlike many who are literacy challenged I read what was covered in my policies when I bought them, and cancer and heart disease are dealt with. My current dilemma involves an insurance company refusing to fork over $2500 plus for a neuro-psychiatric exam for my ADHD son. Can I be the subject of a whiny liberal newspaper article about how horrible it is to be under-insured?

Must be the Liberal in me, but I hate to see sick kids suffer. I also hate to see the 'pros' tossing Rytalin around like magic beans...

I've always thought of the brain as another organ that can act up---like an arrhythmic heart or a cancerous prostate. Funny how insurance companies in all their magnanimity don't see it that way.

I've found Liberals to be a lot more enlightened when it comes to subjects that carry stigma...careful about publishing that article--someone's likely to start pushing for mental health care to be covered as if it were health care or something...

I won't see you as less Conservative for looking out for your child, Boospar, but you can probably see how life experience tempers the edges of political ideology in many of us.

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Originally posted by Boospar:

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Originally posted by RRR52:

Not exactly .... unlike many who are literacy challenged I read what was covered in my policies when I bought them, and cancer and heart disease are dealt with. My current dilemma involves an insurance company refusing to fork over $2500 plus for a neuro-psychiatric exam for my ADHD son. Can I be the subject of a whiny liberal newspaper article about how horrible it is to be under-insured?

Must be the Liberal in me, but I hate to see sick kids suffer. I also hate to see the 'pros' tossing Rytalin around like magic beans...

I've always thought of the brain as another organ that can act up---like an arrhythmic heart or a cancerous prostate. Funny how insurance companies in all their magnanimity don't see it that way.

I've found Liberals to be a lot more enlightened when it comes to subjects that carry stigma...careful about publishing that article--someone's likely to start pushing for mental health care to be covered as if it were health care or something...

I won't see you as less Conservative for looking out for your child, Boospar, but you can probably see how life experience tempers the edges of political ideology in many of us.

Well here lies the rub .... some of us conservatives might question whether or not bemaoning the fact that we can't get someone else to pay the $2500 to be looking out for the child. I also believe some advocates of UHC are not being 100% honest with parents of children like mine .... in plenty of countries with UHC that $2500 study may not be done or will only be done after months (if not years) of waiting.

Concerta ( a better form of Ritalin) has made a world of difference for my children (thank you Pharma ) I also believe President Bush signed legislation to require more insurance coverage for mental health issues, thus raising my rates. Tis a fact of increased coverage; someone is going to pay the bill.

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Originally posted by Boospar:

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Originally posted by Yooper_tj:

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Originally posted by Boospar:

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Must be the Liberal in me, but I hate to see sick kids suffer. I also hate to see the 'pros' tossing Rytalin around like magic beans...

I've always thought of the brain as another organ that can act up---like an arrhythmic heart or a cancerous prostate. Funny how insurance companies in all their magnanimity don't see it that way.

I've found Liberals to be a lot more enlightened when it comes to subjects that carry stigma...careful about publishing that article--someone's likely to start pushing for mental health care to be covered as if it were health care or something...

I won't see you as less Conservative for looking out for your child, Boospar, but you can probably see how life experience tempers the edges of political ideology in many of us.

Well here lies the rub .... some of us conservatives might question whether or not bemaoning the fact that we can't get someone else to pay the $2500 to be looking out for the child. I also believe some advocates of UHC are not being 100% honest with parents of children like mine .... in plenty of countries with UHC that $2500 study may not be done or will only be done after months (if not years) of waiting.

Concerta ( a better form of Ritalin) has made a world of difference for my children (thank you Pharma ) I also believe President Bush signed legislation to require more insurance coverage for mental health issues, thus raising my rates. Tis a fact of increased coverage; someone is going to pay the bill.

Why is it that so few on any side of the health care debate get that simple fact? Better coverage costs more, so finding waste and controlling costs has to be a part of this thing no matter if there's UHC or the status quo carries the day.

With double digit percentage increases in annual premiums, how many more uninsured will we have in 2020? When the majority of Americans don't have employer subsidized insurance, what do you think the answer becomes?

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If you believe finding waste and controlling costs is essential I would tend to think we don't need anymore government involvement .... as it doesn't do a good job in the areas you deem essential.

I haven't had employer subsidized insurance for years. I buy my own. I wish more did the same.

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Originally posted by Boospar:
So some health benefits are more equal than other health benefits?

Okaaay ....

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Originally posted by john2x:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Boospar:
So some health benefits are more equal than other health benefits?

Okaaay ....