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Suspended for inflamatory posts, starting a bait thread, slandering the CIC.----------------------------------- |
It would appear that “Fighting them over there, in a country that had nothing to do with 9-11 or al-Qaeda” is stating that we want to hide behind Iraqi women and children when we fight.
We now know beyond any doubt from last Fall’s Senate Intelligence Report on al-Qaeda in Iraq, back when the Republicans were still running it; that not only was al-Qaeda not operating in Saddam’s Iraq, he had issued orders to arrest any and all al-Qaeda operatives if they were found. He even issued a personalized arrest warrant for al-Zarqawi once he heard that Zarqawi might be in Iraq. And we know from a ‘4th Infantry Division Commanding General's Briefing from Iraq’ by Army Maj. Gen. Raymond T. Odierno back in January 22, 2004 that al-Qaeda was still “are trying to infiltrate into Iraq”. http://www.defenselink.mil/transcripts/transcript.aspx?transcriptid=1432 Q: You believe al Qaeda foreign fighters are trying to organize outside and get in? You have evidence of that? Odierno: I think we have some reports that they are trying to infiltrate into Iraq and organize themselves in order to conduct operations against coalition forces. We have no specific evidence yet. We have not had any specific contact in my area of operation with al Qaeda. But we do believe that they are trying to organize and then try to conduct attacks. Our job is to try to, again, interdict that and I think we've been fairly successful so far. But we have to work that very hard. And we are looking for that very carefully every day. We know a Deputy CIA director is on the record publicly stating that the CIA has found that in 2004 “Bin Laden certainly did a nice favor today for the President” when bin Laden released a tape just before the 2004 elections, knowing it would give Bush a bump, and hopefully helping Bush win the election so we would stay in Iraq. We know that the CIA’s Deputy Associate Director for Intelligence is also on the record publicly stating that the CIA has found that our invasion and occupation of Iraq “were serving al-Qaeda's strategic goals”. The Combating Terrorism Center at West Point has released an internal al-Qaeda document that was captured in Iraq, and have verified the messages authenticity, that ‘our presence in Iraq was in al-Qaeda best interest’. And that another captured internal document shows that al-Qaeda’s biggest fear was that we would pull out of Iraq. Military and intelligence professionals have all told Congress in testimony under oath that al-Qaeda is settling down comfortably in Pakistan. The CIA’s report that documents how our presence in Iraq has become a big money maker for al-Qaeda and that money is flowing into Pakistan to al-Qaeda because of Iraq. So it would appear that it was Bush, not bin-Laden who was trying to make Iraq a front in the war on terror; and is using Iraq women and children as fodder/human shields to achieve his goals. “We are fighting them over there”, in a country that had nothing to do with al-Qaeda or 9-11 is a coward’s way of saying we’ll go fight our wars with innocent men, women and children as convenient props that everyone can use for target practice because we didn’t and still don’t have the will to take the war to the real enemy where it was and is hiding. As the July 17th NIE (National Intelligence Estimate), the unanimous conclusion of all our Intelligence Agencies, stated that; “the group has protected or regenerated key elements of its Homeland attack capability, including: a safehaven in the Pakistan Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA), operational lieutenants, and its top leadership” Along with the obvious that: “the Islamic terrorist organization's rise has been bolstered by the Iraq war and the failure to counter extremism in Pakistan's tribal areas.” |
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Ok sooo this is all fine in good years ago but how do you explain Irans involvment in Iraq today? http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...006122901510_pf.html |
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Lock and flush this thread and kick the OP to the curb permanently please. In case you missed it, the OP posted this little gem (bold was theirs)
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Absolute bullshat. |
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Good luck with that. USAF_76_2_80 was just here for 10 minutes and didn't do anything. Guess it was because it was bashing President Bush... his favorite past time. |
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I am guessing that the OP just came from DU and posted this BS.
He/she is still clueless.......  |
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Suspended for inflamatory posts, starting a bait thread, slandering the CIC.----------------------------------- |
Your point is what again? That you are giving aid and comfort to al-Qaeda by supporting Bush’s failed Iraq policy. Both, a Deputy CIA director and the CIA’s Deputy Associate Director for Intelligence have stated that that the CIA has discovered that Osama wants us in Iraq. The Combating Terrorism Center at West Point has released an internal al-Qaeda document that was captured in Iraq, showing that al-Qaeda’s biggest fear was that we would pull out of Iraq. Military and intelligence professionals have all told Congress in testimony under oath that al-Qaeda is settling down comfortably in Pakistan. The CIA’s report that documents how our presence in Iraq has become a big money maker for al-Qaeda and that money is flowing into Pakistan to al-Qaeda because of Iraq. The last 2 NIE’s, the unanimous consensus of all out Intelligence Agencies have stated that Iraq was a god send for al-Qaeda. |
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Kuni Lemming said:
"It would appear that “Fighting them over there, in a country that had nothing to do with 9-11 or al-Qaeda”And exactly how many Italian or German Pilots were over Pearl Harbor on 12/7/41 Eisenhower? is stating that we want to hide behind Iraqi women and children when we fight.Would it be better to be Fighting in the schools and streets of the USA? Whats your Service? obviously none since you claim we are using Children as shields, SCHMUCK. Show one picture of a American Soldier using children as a shield. I can show you some of a child using an American Soldier as a shield for safety:   Are you seriously suggesting that it would be better for thousands More Americans to die in their Neighborhoods to sate your socialist agenda? So it would appear that it was Bush, not bin-Laden who was trying to make Iraq a front in the war on terror; and is using Iraq women and children as fodder/human shields to achieve his goals.Ever read the Read and Heed? CiC bashing is a NO-GO here son. “We are fighting them over there”, in a country that had nothing to do with al-Qaeda or 9-11 is a coward’s way of saying we’ll go fight our wars with innocent men, women and children as convenient props that everyone can use for target practice because we didn’t and still don’t have the will to take the war to the real enemy where it was and is hiding."[/I]Go Enlist then son, but somehow I dont think you've the Huevos for it, senorita.... |
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Is that how you surrender monkeys cut and run from the facts? "Ooooo Mod's ban the bad man; he is rubbing facts in our faces. Boo Hoo I'm scared of the truth" |
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That must be why you’ve posted all those facts that would show what I posted was wrong. They are where again? |
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Let's get one or three thing(s) crystal clear! Just because you noticed a Moderator's moniker on the 'login' marquee doesn't mean that he/they were on a particular topic...at that moment... That snide remark directed towards the Moderator is and was totally uncalled for, as well as way out of line. I'd rethink your attitude on that subject. |
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Kuni Lemmings source |
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Suspended for inflamatory posts, starting a bait thread, slandering the CIC.----------------------------------- |
And what would you call “fighting them over there” instead of “fighting them where they are”? If someone decided to use your house as a battlefield killing your family in the process, and you had nothing to do with the war, what would you call it then? I’d like to hear that one. |
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Listen I am a Pelosi Democrat and my butt is on the line South of Baghdad somewhere fun now..I appreciate the discourse and the truth as people see it.. This post is almost too much for me bro..
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Troll, you are gone.
Thread is closed. Darby is suspended 10 days for calling out a mod. I don't live on the PC. Sometimes I don't log out. So shoot me I didn't see it as quickly as you wanted. "Never try to teach a pig to sing; It wastes your time and annoys the pig." - Heinlein |
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