Everyone always has something to say, whether positive or negative about everything that is ever done. That's probably the reason for most of the problems we have today. The wheels of justice move very slow, but our enemies are working 24 hours a day 7 days a week and move as swift as swift can be. Meanwhile with take issue with Blackwater why? The Military we know is the best in the world as far as I know, but then again when will I ever say otherwise? We are also flawed, we tell our future soldiers coming out of high School & college, or even straight out of Parole, hey kid here's a rifle and a couple of grenades, go get em tiger! A kid with a Criminal past, no problem, welcome to the Hilton kid! Now of course when a Soldier like myself, who has experience in being a Soldier, Physically fit, Mentally strong, and ready to roll shows up. We are told, oh no you can't come back to help in this effort your a Convicted felon, you should know better. Now where is the logic in that? So I'm like the boxer who holds the titles but has no one to knock out. What's left to do? Blackwater USA. Your policies are what gives birth to the patriots who end up fighting the fight in this manner. Or now our flag is different than yours? What is the prerequisite to defend our Country? I've been saying all along that it's impossible to imagine us playing by the rules, sending our fine young men and women to war, depriving them of the American dream they deserve, while we tell our Prior Service Soldiers that have fought or trained in Operation Desert Storm Era. "sorry guy your DQ, you have a Felony. Meanwhile you look across the room and see a couple of teenagers with the handcuff and shackle prints still on his wrist and ankles and they're giving him a signing bonus. The thing that bothers me the most isn't so much that since I do believe we provide the best training in the world to our soldiers. What bothers me is how we won't make the concessions that are in place for the new Enlist, for Prior Service soldiers..but the enemy is sending anything that moves at us including women and kids with bombs tucked under their shirts. Real easy to point the finger and say how BLACKWATER killed some innocent lives in Iraq, but last I checked so called enemy Soldiers are doing drive by's in Toyota Corollas in plain clothes and then have us chase them into people's living rooms. Then when we finally dodge the RPG's that are falling from the rooftops and face our enemy, he confronts us with a child in one hand and a grenade in the other, oh well sucks to be them. Not trying to offend anyone here, I know like I've stated before that I tend to wear my heart on my sleeves sometimes but it frustrates me when I hear this nonsense. Army doesn't keep me from my M-16, I don't have any reason to belong to anything else. I never knew the name Blackwater until the Military family I love turned me away and told me to talk to my Congressman. My Congressman? Wow. When do they ship out? Granted I've made bad choices in life, and if I were trying to become a Priest, I would accept such a rejection. But the policy here is...seek Jesus or meet Jesus, Sunday service attendance, not required.
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Almost forgot the part I love to hear the most. We, the Military accept Soldiers based on needs. We, the Military use "the person as a whole" concept. Is that right? What exactly those needs are is beyond me, you would think that the needs would be, firing a weapon effectively, throwing grenades like Roger Clemens throws a fast ball, manuuvering a Tank, and having balls the size of church bells wouldn't hurt either. Enough said, lets hear the naysayers now.
Originally posted by Aco275RGR: Look, if the DOD started to test for steroids in the Military probably 75% would come out hot...
And most of blackwaters employees(the vast majority actually) come from very physically demanding units: Rangers, Seals, Marine Recon....And those units damn near encourage "performance enhancing" substances...
Disagree and get mad all you want, its the truth that I saw with my own eyes...
With that being said, I'm sure most of the Ex-Military guys in blackwater will remember they are Americans and are still representing their former military units and will act with honor....Most, there will be knuckle heads..
So you saw 75% of 2nd Batt do roids?
The fact is that most guys in Spec Ops are not the muscle bound Rambo type. Endurance is far greater a quality to have than muscle.
I said 75% of the Military, which might not be true or not who knows but in units like the Rangers and Seals we are fanatical in our fitness. Alot of guys want those 18 in arms and 42in chest, and you ain't gona get that stacking protein and creatine anytime soon....
Like I said, alot of roids running rampant in the Military and you know this is true.
Really? Are you still in? How can you prove this accusation?
LOL....You're a barrel of laughs Gunney...No roids in the Military?..
HAHAHAHA
I'm not saying it to degrade anyone or anything, I just hope their doing it smart and safe. I just stuck to my protein and throw up 225x10 and I don't have any ***** tits like some guys I knew...
kind of funny... I am a SACO, we test for roids, but you laugh and make me out to be what? Like I said before, you are talking out of your ***!
Only if the CO request that it be tested for them.
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Every sample gets tested for marijuana, cocaine and amphetamines, including ecstasy. Tests for other drugs are done at random on different schedules for each lab. Some laboratories do test every sample for every drug.
Commanders can request samples be tested for steroids. In this case, the samples are sent to the Olympic testing laboratory at the University of California at Los Angeles.
Drug testing for steroids is the most expensive drug testing that there is. This is why the military doesn’t test for it unless the CO requests it. I highly doubt any private company that does drug testing on its employees test for steroids because it’s too expensive. This is why I highly doubt Blackwater who are in the business of making money test there people for steroids. They probably do the same test the military does that doesn’t test for steroids.
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Two general methods of testing are immunoassay or radioimmunoassy (RIA) and Gas Chromatography-Mass Spectrometry (GC-MS). Immunoassay is used for initial screening of many drugs, like amphetamines, marijuana (cannainoid or THC), cocaine, opiates, and phencyclidine (PCP). However, GC-MS is the acceptable industry standard testing procedure for steroids and for confirming any positive test results. The cost for each immunoassay screening package ordered to test for all the drugs listed above typically costs $20 to $50. To also test for alcohol, nicotine (tobacco), and LSD typically adds another $10 per substance per screening test ordered. Including anabolic steroids in the initial screening would cost between $80 and $120 per test ordered because GC-MS is required to test for steroids and is a more expensive testing procedure. All positive results of initial tests should be confirmed by GC-MS. Thus, a higher percentage of initial positives drives up the cost of a testing program.
Every sample gets tested for marijuana, cocaine and amphetamines, including ecstasy. Tests for other drugs are done at random on different schedules for each lab. Some laboratories do test every sample for every drug.
Commanders can request samples be tested for steroids. In this case, the samples are sent to the Olympic testing laboratory at the University of California at Los Angeles.
Uhh for what exactly? Just because a couple of guys who don't like what I say start ranting against what i'm saying i'm disrupting the thread??
You guys can deny it all you want, but the Military does not test for roids its too damn expensive so i'm really curious about these drug tests you guys are talking about....
And you can sit here and tell us that the military does not test for roids based on your three (3) years of being around the active military??? Friggin amazing that your experience and mine of some thirty (30) years does not match--mine that took part in, administered, etc.
Pope, who sometimes serves as an expert witness in court, says he's been "involved in a dozen murder cases where someone went on steroids and killed somebody without a history of violence or crime beforehand." In one case, a 16-year-old boy was charged with killing his 14-year-old girlfriend. Pope says, "We have no evidence of any criminal or violent activity before he started taking steroids. At that point, he had a series of run-ins with the police, which culminated in the murder. He was convicted and sent up for life."
As the example shows, wives and girlfriends are often the victims of men who are cranked up on steroids. In a study of 88 athletes who used steroids, Pope found 23 percent of current users reporting "major mood disturbances" including mania and major depression. Steroid users also reported aggressive or violent incidents.
And you can sit here and tell us that the military does not test for roids based on your three (3) years of being around the active military??? Friggin amazing that your experience and mine of some thirty (30) years does not match--mine that took part in, administered, etc.
I guess you didn’t see where I posted the DOD’s Drug Testing Policy. The military only test for steroids if the CO requests it. As Ranger pointed out in his post and I pointed out in one of mine it’s too expensive. In my six years as a urinalysis coordinator for the Navy we only tested one person for Steroids. It was after a domestic violence incident. The piece of crap came back positive and got two years in the consolidated brig in Miramar for domestic violence and drug abuse.
And you can sit here and tell us that the military does not test for roids based on your three (3) years of being around the active military??? Friggin amazing that your experience and mine of some thirty (30) years does not match--mine that took part in, administered, etc.
I guess you didn’t see where I posted the DOD’s Drug Testing Policy. The military only test for steroids if the CO requests it. As Ranger pointed out in his post and I pointed out in one of mine it’s too expensive. In my six years as a urinalysis coordinator for the Navy we only tested one person for Steroids. It was after a domestic violence incident. The piece of crap came back positive and got two years in the consolidated brig in Miramar for domestic violence and drug abuse.
SO RS1 What the hell is your drug of choice? Aricept!? (Google it)
Originally posted by Aco275RGR: Look, if the DOD started to test for steroids in the Military probably 75% would come out hot...
And most of blackwaters employees(the vast majority actually) come from very physically demanding units: Rangers, Seals, Marine Recon....And those units damn near encourage "performance enhancing" substances...
Disagree and get mad all you want, its the truth that I saw with my own eyes...
With that being said, I'm sure most of the Ex-Military guys in blackwater will remember they are Americans and are still representing their former military units and will act with honor....Most, there will be knuckle heads..
So you saw 75% of 2nd Batt do roids?
The fact is that most guys in Spec Ops are not the muscle bound Rambo type. Endurance is far greater a quality to have than muscle.
I said 75% of the Military, which might not be true or not who knows but in units like the Rangers and Seals we are fanatical in our fitness. Alot of guys want those 18 in arms and 42in chest, and you ain't gona get that stacking protein and creatine anytime soon....
Like I said, alot of roids running rampant in the Military and you know this is true.
So, you are saying that when you were with the Rangers you were using steroids??
And you can sit here and tell us that the military does not test for roids based on your three (3) years of being around the active military??? Friggin amazing that your experience and mine of some thirty (30) years does not match--mine that took part in, administered, etc.
I guess you didn’t see where I posted the DOD’s Drug Testing Policy. The military only test for steroids if the CO requests it. As Ranger pointed out in his post and I pointed out in one of mine it’s too expensive. In my six years as a urinalysis coordinator for the Navy we only tested one person for Steroids. It was after a domestic violence incident. The piece of crap came back positive and got two years in the consolidated brig in Miramar for domestic violence and drug abuse.
SO RS1 What the hell is your drug of choice? Aricept!? (Google it)
RS1--you actually think I give a crap about what you may or may not have done----I know we tested our Marines for their use a few times along with many other drug test.
ranger has three years worth of how much experience with drug testing in the military?
Like was said, a Warrior needs endurance moreso than muscle. But, there are many varieties of roids. Some for strength and bulk, others for endurance and stamina. I don't know if the military checks for roids, but they are a relatively new area of drug testing.
I see it like this though, other countries were using them in athletic competition for years before it came to light. Remember when the Russians used to kick our butts in the Oympics? They had the women looking like musclemen.
It goes back to Nazi Germany, where I believe steroid use to produce a better soldier originated. I say this, if a dedicated athlete will take roids to better their game, it stands to reason that a dedicated Warrior would do the same. Everyone wants to be at the top of their game, and roids are a quick road to that goal. Just saying.
And like was stated; steriod testing is an entirely different test than it is for other drugs. Most illegals are not as melobolic as roids.
WHAT WE HAVE DONE FOR OURSELVES ALONE DIES WITH US;WHAT WE HAVE DONE FOR OTHERS AND THE WORLD IS AND REMAINS IMMORTAL
And you can sit here and tell us that the military does not test for roids based on your three (3) years of being around the active military??? Friggin amazing that your experience and mine of some thirty (30) years does not match--mine that took part in, administered, etc.
I guess you didn’t see where I posted the DOD’s Drug Testing Policy. The military only test for steroids if the CO requests it. As Ranger pointed out in his post and I pointed out in one of mine it’s too expensive. In my six years as a urinalysis coordinator for the Navy we only tested one person for Steroids. It was after a domestic violence incident. The piece of crap came back positive and got two years in the consolidated brig in Miramar for domestic violence and drug abuse.
One big problem with Bushes dodging of the question. He apparently has no clue about what is going on in his administration, America, or Iraq. Blackwater doesn’t work for the DOD they work for the State Department so the Crony he needs to ask why Blackwater is subject to no American Or Iraqi law is Condi (I let 911 happen because I’m INCOMPETENT) Rice.
Originally posted by goldenwings: RS1--you actually think I give a crap about what you may or may not have done----I know we tested our Marines for their use a few times along with many other drug test.
ranger has three years worth of how much experience with drug testing in the military?
Well having been a Navy Urinalysis Coordinator for six years I can tell that Ranger knows more about the militaries drug testing program after 3 years of service that you do after 30 years of service. They only test for steroids if the CO requests it.
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Every sample gets tested for marijuana, cocaine and amphetamines, including ecstasy. Tests for other drugs are done at random on different schedules for each lab. Some laboratories do test every sample for every drug.
Commanders can request samples be tested for steroids. In this case, the samples are sent to the Olympic testing laboratory at the University of California at Los Angeles.
