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Military.com Forums Hot Topics & Current Events Point-Counterpoint How does Blackwater get some of its employees to be Mindless Killing Machines?|
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Bravery isn't the absence of fear but the conquest of it. |
goldenwings; Sir you are making me lose respect for you with this kind of dribble. Nowhere in any of my posts could you imply what you stated. The question I asked of you and your teabaggers still remain unanswered. I give you script from Blackwater's official website and you dismiss that. I give you script from another source and you don't disagree with the article, you just state you don't like who wrote it. It would be a very small effort for a Marine to prove me wrong if you could. If I'm not mistaken, we were not discussing the war in this particular thread, we were discussing Blackwater and their purpose in Iraq. I have heard no military leader or troop state that Blackwater is primary to the war effort. Their main purpose there is security, and you jump all over me for stating what they themselves state. I see that not a one of you will man up and address the questions I put forth, so we can let it die right here and now. I though will not call you names or insult your intelligence even though you and yours have shown me none of that intellegence I sought from you. But remember, we were speaking of Blackwater, not the war. WHAT WE HAVE DONE FOR OURSELVES ALONE DIES WITH US;WHAT WE HAVE DONE FOR OTHERS AND THE WORLD IS AND REMAINS IMMORTAL |
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But they are not taking part in military operations. They are in the area of conflict but are not players in the conflict. They do not conduct patrols or perform searches, nor do they seek out and engage the enemy. They are security guards and are not more mercenary than are mall cops. They are just trained and equipped better. Forget the dog, Beware of Owner |
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DEAD MEAT - Love, Fate |
So you worked as a mercenary? Forget the dog, Beware of Owner |
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Bravery isn't the absence of fear but the conquest of it. |
In the definition of the word, Yes. The thing that everyone is not getting with my statements is the fact that I don't consider mercenary work a bad thing. That is unles the mercs are working against the people. The mercs in Lybia and Rwanda fought for money, but against the rebels. I see nothing wrong with that. Then you have mercs who hire out to the highest bidder no matter what the issue is, right or wrong. Now they are the bad ones. But to further speak of Blackwater and their role in Iraq, our troops are not all that happy with them. There have been instances where Blackwater has been hostile toward our troops there. Check this out. It's from an article in Newsweek. I hope that publication is not on anyone's hate list. http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/65723/ b]The colonel was furious. "Can you believe it? They actually drew their weapons on U.S. soldiers." He was describing a 2006 car accident, in which an SUV full of Blackwater operatives had crashed into a U.S. Army Humvee on a street in Baghdad's Green Zone. The colonel, who was involved in a follow-up investigation and spoke on the condition he not be named, said the Blackwater guards disarmed the U.S. Army soldiers and made them lie on the ground at gunpoint until they could disentangle the SUV. His account was confirmed by the head of another private security company.[/b] [/QUOTE] And as I research, there are more instances of Blackwater challenging our troops in uniform. Wonder what that is about? WHAT WE HAVE DONE FOR OURSELVES ALONE DIES WITH US;WHAT WE HAVE DONE FOR OTHERS AND THE WORLD IS AND REMAINS IMMORTAL |
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Not to start a bunch of shite, but if they would have tried that with a Marine infantry squad the story would have read much different. "Blackwater SUV crashes into Marine humvee and attempts to disarm the Marines, ensuing firefight claims the lives of all the Blackwater personel involved." If I was the COL I'd be chewing some azz wondering why some civilians disarmed military personnell.
Sounds like that unit needs some training. |
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Bravery isn't the absence of fear but the conquest of it. |
I heard that! But I bet the unit was taken by surprise to have other Americans draw down on them. The Blackwater group are trained Warriors and don't play by the rules of engagement that we are burdened with. All of this gives them a leg up on confrontation. WHAT WE HAVE DONE FOR OURSELVES ALONE DIES WITH US;WHAT WE HAVE DONE FOR OTHERS AND THE WORLD IS AND REMAINS IMMORTAL |
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Okay....Had those mother****ers even attempted that kind of **** on me some poor old lady back in the states would have buried her stupid son with a damn bullet hole in his ****ing face... Sorry for the explicit language, but man i'm getting mad as hell reading about that... |
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I'd rather be knitting. |
The whole "drug addicted killing machines" is a fat lot of rubbish, but expecting Blackwater to behave as honorably as the military is like expecting chalk to be cheese. They will do what is asked of them for a price, to the best of their capabilities. Nothing more, nothing less. Don't expect pride, devotion, or any of the other fine qualities that one demands of our soldiers, sailors, etc. They may have them, but it's not a requirement.
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I hear that Aco. Could you imagine if they'd tried that with any of your boys. How quick would you have smoked checked their azzess. I know Rangers are like Marines, we don't go down without a fight.
Mighty I understand that they were probably taken by surprise but if someone over there would have randomly crashed into my vehicle I would have been pretty alert. Plus in a squad with two humvees there's two crew served weapons and one is definately a .50 cal. I don't care how well trained they are, my boys were highly trained as well plus with up-armoured humvees and crewserved. Those poor Blackwater boys wouldn't have stood a chance. |
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I agree sweetsuds. The Blackwater guys I met were all highly proffessional and very patriotic. But when it comes down to it they are still a form of mercenary. They can't be held to the same standards and discipline as a professional military force such as we have today. Also history has shown us that a professional military force is far more effective than any mercenary force out there. |
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Bravery isn't the absence of fear but the conquest of it. |
I hear you! But still Blackwater represented an allie, and possibly they were American. Even though I feel like I would have lite their butts up tou sweet! WHAT WE HAVE DONE FOR OURSELVES ALONE DIES WITH US;WHAT WE HAVE DONE FOR OTHERS AND THE WORLD IS AND REMAINS IMMORTAL |
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Okay, so a group of Blackwater troops run into a Humvee and we're supposed to believe that they made American troops lie on the ground until they untangled the mess? Oh, excuse me for that loud noise, that's my B.S. detector going off...
Now where was I... Oh, that's right, the Blackwater guys supposedly made the troops lie on the ground and then disarmed them? I gotta turn that thing off... So did anyone follow the links provided for this? Altnet??? Ha,ha,ha... yeah, that's some tried and true news source. And if you followed the links in Altnet... they took you to an Arab news agency's English translation page. You guys really need to get off this mutual assured destruction of brain cells... |
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Bravery isn't the absence of fear but the conquest of it. |
Here is the official link from Newsweek magazine if that is a more repetuable source.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/42487 It seems if some don't like something reported, instead of attacking the report, they attack the reporting source. I don't know how you feel about Newsweek, but it has been around for quite a long time here in America and is deemed one of the top mags in the country. I hope this satisfies. WHAT WE HAVE DONE FOR OURSELVES ALONE DIES WITH US;WHAT WE HAVE DONE FOR OTHERS AND THE WORLD IS AND REMAINS IMMORTAL |
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Mighty I agree I guarantee you they were taken by surprise. But also that surprise would have lasted about .2 seconds when I realized someone had a gun to my face. My first reaction would have been to return fire as well as the rest of my guys. I wasn't there so I should actually stop running my suck. At least no one was killed which was a good thing.
Sniper, I never checked the authenticity of this article. I wasn't debating that. I was debating what I would have done in that situation. If it's true it's true. If it's not then it's not. I'm just having fun spouting off at the mouth, which if you ask my wife is all I do  |
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Bravery isn't the absence of fear but the conquest of it. |
The Newsweek article is a lot more comprehensive and I should have posted the entire article in the first place. I know it is hard to accept something that you don't want to believe, but as cwubullrider stated; if it happened it happened. If it didn't it didn't, but apparently, it did. Even if you don't want to believe it. Also check out the disrespect given to Marine guards.
WHAT WE HAVE DONE FOR OURSELVES ALONE DIES WITH US;WHAT WE HAVE DONE FOR OTHERS AND THE WORLD IS AND REMAINS IMMORTAL |
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"A mercenary is a person who takes part in an armed conflict who is not a national or a party to the conflict and "is motivated to take part in the hostilities essentially by the desire for private gain and, in fact, is promised, by or on behalf of a Party to the conflict, material compensation substantially in excess of that promised or paid to combatants of similar ranks and functions in the armed forces of that Party"
Is Blackwater working for both sides, US and terrorists? Would they work for terrorists if the price was better than the US side? NO. They are a US company, working for US interest in the region. The same as the cooks, electricians, plumbers, etc. Hence they are not "Mercs". |
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sure they do and sure it is... how many bw guys do you know???  |
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Basic Training |
So you saw 75% of 2nd Batt do roids? The fact is that most guys in Spec Ops are not the muscle bound Rambo type. Endurance is far greater a quality to have than muscle. |
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hehhe yea most of the guys i knew were not all that big... hell look at shughart and gordon...not very big guys at all... |
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How come Blackwater soldiers get paid more than US? Is their life worth more than ours?
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