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Military.com Forums Hot Topics & Current Events Point-Counterpoint How does Blackwater get some of its employees to be Mindless Killing Machines?|
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Anything I post on these boards is my opinion only unless accompanied by documented fact. Know that in politics my emotions is with no party. |
Absolutely no judgement. I just referred to them as what they are. It may surprise you but I have known mercenaries and I never stated they were bad people, they simply fight for money. The very definition of the word classifies them.
"A mercenary is a person who takes part in an armed conflict who is not a national or a party to the conflict and "is motivated to take part in the hostilities essentially by the desire for private gain and, in fact, is promised, by or on behalf of a Party to the conflict, material compensation substantially in excess of that promised or paid to combatants of similar ranks and functions in the armed forces of that Party" As a result of the assumption that a mercenary is essentially motivated by money, the term "mercenary" carries negative connotations[citation needed]. There is a blur in the distinction between a "mercenary" and a "foreign volunteer", when the primary motive of a soldier in a foreign army is uncertain. For instance the French Foreign Legion and the Gurkhas are not mercenaries under the laws of war, since although they may meet many of the requirements of Article 47 they are exempt under clauses , but some journalists do describe them as mercenaries." WHAT WE HAVE DONE FOR OURSELVES ALONE DIES WITH US;WHAT WE HAVE DONE FOR OTHERS AND THE WORLD IS AND REMAINS IMMORTAL |
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They can always come here and make silly comments like you.  That is the most biased, uninformed, offensive comment I have ever seen. You indict all those who are risking their lives, in the pursuit of their jobs, over some "allegation" by someone seeking free money. You quote a story, that begins "according to a lawsuit filed by the families of several Iraqis killed or wounded in a Baghdad". Allegations by someone seeking compensation for damages is hardly proof
Can you show one (1) bit of evidence that the people involved in the shooting were "drug addicted killing machines"? |
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Get some new material Rs1. That video has been around for a few years now. I have heard nothing but good things about Blackwater being in Iraq. Here is an update on this story... Blackwater Probe Shifts to Guards, Company Likely to Maintain State Department Contract |
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Mighty---
The Blackwater personnel are Americans. Americans who have served in the American armed forces, many in the conflict in Iraq and Afghanistan. These individuals are American nationals who are working for a company hired byt eh American Dept of Defense and performing duties as prescribed by said DOD through the company Blackwater, who has the contract with the DOD---- Kind of tells the story here doesn't it?  |
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Anything I post on these boards is my opinion only unless accompanied by documented fact. Know that in politics my emotions is with no party. |
Okay. I don't doubt anything you say. You got messed up with the title that is given to those who fight for financial gain. Just saying, if their only motivation was to fight in defense of America, they could have continued to do that within the ranks of our military. Correct? They made a decision to continue being Warriors, but, apparently they wanted more compensation for their skills. What other reason would they have? On top of that, they do not launch missions perse, they provide security for the oil companies for the most part. You may disagree but I don't consider giving security to Hallaburton the same as protecting America, do you? By the way, with an American oil company in Iraq, why are they not helping to supply us with less expensive oil? Here we have it again between you and I. Hallaburton does not do anything for my interest as an American taxpayer. What do you think they do for you? Blackwater's primary mission is security for the oil executives and their fields. With oil at $130+ a barrel, how is that in our best interest? I just don't see it. WHAT WE HAVE DONE FOR OURSELVES ALONE DIES WITH US;WHAT WE HAVE DONE FOR OTHERS AND THE WORLD IS AND REMAINS IMMORTAL |
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Mighty, until you walk in their shoes, I don't think you have the right to judge them. Until then, you are only talking out of ignorance.
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i agree i know a few bw people and they are hardcore pro-Americans not mercs in any way shape or forum.... |
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Anything I post on these boards is my opinion only unless accompanied by documented fact. Know that in politics my emotions is with no party. |
I guess I have to give you the official definition of the word mercendary once again. "A mercenary is a person who takes part in an armed conflict who is not a national or a party to the conflict and "is motivated to take part in the hostilities essentially by the desire for private gain and, in fact, is promised, by or on behalf of a Party to the conflict, material compensation substantially in excess of that promised or paid to combatants of similar ranks and functions in the armed forces of that Party" This is not my definition but the definition as discribed by the dictionary. What part of what Blackwater does do not fit into the catagory? If I am ignorant for simply giving the definition of a noun, then what the hell! But if it is you who doesn't know what the term mercendary means, then I'm not the ignorant one am I? Now to do a Point/Counterpoint as the board is called. If you disagree with the job functions that I discribed as being done by Blackwater, please enlighten me. Exactly what do they do? What exactly is their function according to you? From their official website they discribe themselves as such: Private military corporations, private military firms, private security companies, military services providers, the privatized military industry are all attempts to label the phenomena of private companies offering services on the world market that have normally been duties of national military forces or involve armed security detail for business in unstable regions.[1] Every service caters to security, and the growing need for security in a world wrought with differing economic, strategic, and military interests has provided a marketplace that is rapidly expanding. Now if I am so ignorant, how does that differ from what I stated? Are you so in love with Hallaburton that by mentioning their name I have somehow offended you? That is their primary client in Iraq is it not? If you can contain yourself and not call me any names, please address directly the questions I present. Try it, it's easy. WHAT WE HAVE DONE FOR OURSELVES ALONE DIES WITH US;WHAT WE HAVE DONE FOR OTHERS AND THE WORLD IS AND REMAINS IMMORTAL |
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Anything I post on these boards is my opinion only unless accompanied by documented fact. Know that in politics my emotions is with no party. |
Simple guestion, why so difficult to answer? At least give us something to work with. You know, P/CP kinda stuff. WHAT WE HAVE DONE FOR OURSELVES ALONE DIES WITH US;WHAT WE HAVE DONE FOR OTHERS AND THE WORLD IS AND REMAINS IMMORTAL |
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Mighty--
Your first priority would be to find out exactly what the vast majority of these backwater individuals do during their tour in Iraq, their specific responsibilitties before you sit here and ignorantly spout thet they guard the oil for HB. Your ignorance of the who and what they do is shining through. You will find that their primary mission is to provide security to American Emassey convoys and other dipomatic comvoys that carry American VIPs and other dipomats. They are under contract with the American DOD and not Halliburton. Again, your ignorance of them and their roles are showing through. This message has been edited. Last edited by: goldenwings, |
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he dosent want to know the truth he is quite happy thinking what he does.... |
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Agreed. He's a consistently Schtoopid MoFo who clearly likes touting himself as such. He's pitiful.... |
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Anything I post on these boards is my opinion only unless accompanied by documented fact. Know that in politics my emotions is with no party. |
Your lack of the proper use of the english language notwithstanding, what I did was ask a question. If it is to difficult for you and your jock hangers, that is not my fault. If I'm wrong, show me such and don't wallow in the gutter which seems to be your homebase. If Hallaburton is not their main client, show me such. Let's see what the official report states shall we?
The full report can be found here: http://www.truthout.org/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi/67/24379/printer So who is the stooopid MoFo now? MoFo! Interseting word for an supposed intellectual who knows something. But it seems you don't know chit doesn't it? You guys seem to think from your butts instead of from your minds. You make statements that you can't back up from any source other than your own meager understandings. You do no research and then when a fact is presented to you, you don't argue the fact, you attack the fact finder. How silly is that? So please, prove me wrong right here and now if you will. Make me eat my words, educate me in the all knowing realm of where you gain your knowledge. I am but an empty vessel. Fill me with your wisdom. MoFo! By the way gw, do you disagree with the definition of the word mercenary? And do the employees of Blackwater meet that criteria? If it does, then what is the problem with what I stated? This message has been edited. Last edited by: MightyB, WHAT WE HAVE DONE FOR OURSELVES ALONE DIES WITH US;WHAT WE HAVE DONE FOR OTHERS AND THE WORLD IS AND REMAINS IMMORTAL |
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Subject: "Top Democrat: Halliburton Violated Multibillion Dollar Iraq Contract By Jason Leopold t r u t h o u t | Report" MightyB, Maybe you should pay more attention to who's writing these articles before you use them as proof of anything or post them. Columbia Journalism Review "We wonder if the folks over at Truthout.org are rethinking their affiliation with reporter and serial fabulist Jason Leopold. Leopold, you may recall, is the freelance reporter who was caught making stuff up in a 2002 Salon.com article, self-admittedly “getting it completely wrong” in pieces for Dow Jones, and had his own memoir cancelled because of concerns over the accuracy of quotations." For the rest of the article go to...... http://www.cjr.org/politics/jason_leopold_caught_sourceles.php |
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Mighty--
Yes, you are wrong about those working for Blackwater,especially the Americans--but you seem only to want them to be the bad guys here so trying to talk to you or give you some insight of them is not worth dealing with. |
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