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I_M_Qwerty
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DEVELOPING: The Senate Finance Committee has voted against creating a new government health insurance plan to compete with the private market.

The 15-to-8 vote could forecast the fate of the public option in the Senate as a whole. The outcome was expected but still a defeat for liberals who view government-sponsored insurance for the middle class as a key component of President Barack Obama's health care overhaul.

Five committee Democrats, including Chairman Max Baucus, joined with all 10 committee Republicans to defeat the measure by Democratic Sen. Jay Rockefeller of West Virginia.

Opponents said a public option would drive private insurers out of business and amount to a government takeover. Proponents said it would give consumers choice and competition.

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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/29/senate-panel-debates-govt-run-health-plan/

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Idiocy is always engendered by the rich and monied....or is it the rich and famous????probibly both.

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I am not rich nor monied nor famous, nor do I want a public option


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I can surely understand the hate for government, yet I fail to see how much better the for profit group would be at ensuring I get the health care I might need.
 
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I don't depend on anyone else, I have always taken the steps needed to ensure I have healthcare


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I don't depend on anyone else, I have always taken the steps needed to ensure I have healthcare


You would have to pay for a public option, just like any private insurance plan.

Are you saying you don't depend on insurance at all?
 
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Yes you would have to pay and after the insurance companies stop offering health care, because no one was buying it, you would REALLY have to pay for your health care....with your life most likely!!!
 
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Score one for the Republican fight to keep the status-quo. They played that fear card and won. Republicans earned their blood money. That was millions in campaign contributions, lobby junkets, and under-the-table payola well placed by the pharmaceutical and health care industry.

And, unfortunately, since a majority of Americans actually want the public option, we are the ones who lost. Nothing will change, health care will remain out of reach for millions of hard-working citizens, pre-existing conditions will still disqualify, catastrophic illnesses and injury will still bankrupt, and the only thing the Republicans care about is that they banded together to obstruct change.
 
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It ain't over 'till its over. Reconciliation anyone?
 
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It ain't over 'till its over. Reconciliation anyone?
I don't think anyone but cheerleaders on the sidelines (and maybe Harry Reid) are self-destructive and dumb enough to favor that route ... but if Congressional libs run that course, it will be a heck of an Xmas present for conservatives.
 
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It ain't over 'till its over. Reconciliation anyone?
I don't think anyone but cheerleaders on the sidelines (and maybe Harry Reid) are self-destructive and dumb enough to favor that route ... but if Congressional libs run that course, it will be a heck of an Xmas present for conservatives.
Keep dreaming. The Public Option is what the people want. Didn't seem to hurt the last few that used it...
 
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It ain't over 'till its over. Reconciliation anyone?
I don't think anyone but cheerleaders on the sidelines (and maybe Harry Reid) are self-destructive and dumb enough to favor that route ... but if Congressional libs run that course, it will be a heck of an Xmas present for conservatives.
Keep dreaming. The Public Option is what the people want. Didn't seem to hurt the last few that used it...
Dreaming? Nah. Most people don't want HR 3200 at all ... whether they want individual items within it is irrelevant. Methinks also that you don't know for beans about the reconciliation process ...

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Provisions can also be challenged where the impact on spending is "merely incidental." (Simple question: Would a financially self-sustaining public option or co-op have a "merely incidental" impact on the deficit?)

So popular is the Byrd Rule that it has its own lexicon. If someone thinks he/she can strike a section of the bill, that section is considered "Byrdable." Once it is struck from the bill, it's called a "Byrd Dropping." A bill that has been riddled by the Byrd Rule has gone through a "Byrd Bath."

(Bonus phrase: The Byrd Bath leaves the bill looking like "Swiss Cheese" for all the holes created within the original legislation.)


You may find this educational ... note that it is an MSNBC source and quite current ... not some conservative site!

"http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2009/09/29/2082655.aspx"

Regardless, to pass a bill using reconciliation that 55% flat oppose (Rasmussen) seems a bit stupid to me ... but ... press on with your nightmare.
 
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Everything will change once the bill passes. Most want a public option in their reform bill. There is no reform without it. Reconciliation still remains a viable choice.
 
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In other words, you are now willing to admit that there are at least portions of this Bill you would be quite willing to do without?
 
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In other words, you are now willing to admit that there are at least portions of this Bill you would be quite willing to do without?
The Baucus bill? It is, as Bill Maher described it, a BJ for the insurance companies. http://newsjunkiepost.com/2009/09/19/bill-maher-baucus-healthcare-bill-is-a-*******-to-the-health-insurance-industry/ I can do without all of it. Which bill are you referring to?
 
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Everything will change ...
Keep chanting that mantra ... LOL

"Yes we can" ... "Yes we can" ... "errr ... No we can't" ... Wink
 
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The Republicans are going to push everything that is good for the insurance companies...as are the cornservative democrats who owe the insurance companies their asses...like Senator Baucas...

Personally it is time to remind the idiots in DC what life is really about and send them packing ... or the morning dew will be do...do...for them in small and large piles.
 
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