Well, the GOP FINALLY has a reform plan:

Text of GOP Bill

According to the CBO the GOP bill would reduce the deficit by $68 billion. Great right? Well, except that the Dem bill reduces the deficit by $104 billion.

Initial CBO Estimate

So, the GOP plan will cost more...that must mean that it covers more people right? Oops, I guess not since the GOP bill will only cover 3 million uninsured, leaving 52 million uninsured by 2019. The bill the Democrats produced will leave about 18 million uninsured.

The CBO has also gone on to state that the GOP plan wouldn't lower premiums.

There you have it...reform from the GOP. They should have stayed the party of no ideas if this is what they come up with.

hey Reps, here is your "conservative party" you overwhelmingly support..

The party of no, to bad ideas? You must be talking of those who support that 1900 page monstrosity. You think the healthcare bill of 1900 pages is great? The one that adds a host of new taxes, bureaucracies, along with a government run health plan? You call that a solution? You call that a good idea? What happens when the government plan runs out of money? Who will subsidize it? The taxpayer will. Just like we do all the other government run programs that are in the red. When they blow all the taxpayer money away, they just write more legislation to confiscate more of our money. That being proposed by the latest healthcare bill, as well as that cap and tax bill. This bill is a better start than the 1900 pages of gobledeyg-oo-k. "We're going to cut 500 billion in waste from medicare/caid" How about they do that first, before trying to ram yet more government down the people's throats.

States do offer health clinics already. They are already paid for by out tax dollars. Why not improve what is already offered? Why not have the states coordinate with each other on ways to improve these clinics? Allowing those whom are uninsured to have better access to them. The state's can even float the idea of pooling together.

"CBO estimates that the combination of provisions included in the amendment
would reduce average private health insurance premiums per enrollee in the United
States relative to what they would be under current law. The average reductions
would be larger in the markets for small group and individually purchased policies,
which are the focus of many of the legislation’s provisions. In the small group
market, which represents about 15 percent of total private premiums, the
amendment would lower average insurance premiums in 2016 by an estimated
7 percent to 10 percent compared with amounts under current law. In the market for
individually purchased insurance, which represents a little more than 5 percent of
total private premiums, the amendment would lower average insurance premiums in
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2016 by an estimated 5 percent to 8 percent compared with amounts under current
law. And in the large group market, which represents nearly 80 percent of total
private premiums, the amendment would lower average insurance premiums in
2016 by zero to 3 percent compared with amounts under current law, according to
CBO’s estimates. The figures are presented for 2016 as an illustrative example."

There is no such thing as a GOP HC reform bill! If there was, we would have seen it years ago.....

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There is no such thing as a GOP HC reform bill! If there was, we would have seen it years ago.....

Statements like that scream your naive nature of politics (to continue to gain control)

"Madam Speaker, the key to effective health care reform lies not in increasing government control, but in increasing the American people’s ability to make their own health care decisions. Thus, instead of forcing Americans to purchase government-approved health insurance, Congress should put the American people back in charge of health care by expanding health care tax credits and deductions, as well as increasing access to Health Savings Accounts. Therefore, I have introduced legislation, the Comprehensive Health Care Reform Act (HR1495), which provides a series of health care tax credits and deductions designed to empower patients. I urge my colleagues to reject the big government-knows-best approach to health care by cosponsoring my Coercion is Not Health Care Act and Comprehensive Health Care Reform Act."
-Ron Paul-

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Originally posted by soscorpio:

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There is no such thing as a GOP HC reform bill! If there was, we would have seen it years ago.....

Statements like that scream your naive nature of politics (to continue to gain control)

"Madam Speaker, the key to effective health care reform lies not in increasing government control, but in increasing the American people’s ability to make their own health care decisions. Thus, instead of forcing Americans to purchase government-approved health insurance, Congress should put the American people back in charge of health care by expanding health care tax credits and deductions, as well as increasing access to Health Savings Accounts. Therefore, I have introduced legislation, the Comprehensive Health Care Reform Act (HR1495), which provides a series of health care tax credits and deductions designed to empower patients. I urge my colleagues to reject the big government-knows-best approach to health care by cosponsoring my Coercion is Not Health Care Act and Comprehensive Health Care Reform Act."
-Ron Paul-

That particular GOP Health Care Reform Bill was introduced and referred to the Ways and Means Committee on March 12th.

Cosponsors included....well...

There were no cosponsors.

I wonder why not one legislator is hitching his wagon to Dr. Paul's grand plan?

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:h1495:

Talking points from the DU. Originality would be nice...

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Originally posted by Kegler300:
Talking points from the DU. Originality would be nice...

Sorry, don't hang out over at the DU. How are those Hannity forums you hang out at?

The Republican Health Care Plan:

• The non-partisan Congressional Budget Office (CBO) says it would barely make a dent in most of our premiums, and could lead to higher premiums for older Americans.
  
• The New York Times reports that it doesn't stop insurers from refusing to cover you because of a pre-existing condition.
  
• The CBO's research shows that the GOP plan would likely cut the deficit by just $68 billion over the next ten years -- far less than the Democratic bill, which cuts the deficit by $104 billion over the same period.
  
• The CBO also estimates that under the Republican bill the number of uninsured Americans would actually increase to 52 million by 2019.
  
• And Politico writes that the Republican's so-called plan doesn't keep insurers from dropping you when you're sick -- it just makes them let you know that you're being dropped.
  

I guess The Reps had to find a way to pay back their partners in crime - Corporations...

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Originally posted by NSNN:
There is no such thing as a GOP HC reform bill! If there was, we would have seen it years ago.....

They did write something out just so they can say they have something, but you know after it served it's purpose of the propaganda war against the Dems plan, they would trash it and never bring it to the floor for a vote..

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Originally posted by crackerjacks61:

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Originally posted by NSNN:
There is no such thing as a GOP HC reform bill! If there was, we would have seen it years ago.....

They did write something out just so they can say they have something, but you know after it served it's purpose of the propaganda war against the Dems plan, they would trash it and never bring it to the floor for a vote..

Exactly! That’s why I don’t even consider it a legitimate plan. It’s just something to muddy the water with....

one of the reasons it passed was they took the abortion crap out of it. next we go to the senate and ill bet some tort reform of some kind makes into the bill and then it will pass the senate if not it will be a fight. your numbers on the gop bill are scewed big time..
your base is the number they contend are out of the system now..and that base number is a lie.

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Originally posted by backtoiraq:
one of the reasons it passed was they took the abortion crap out of it. next we go to the senate and ill bet some tort reform of some kind makes into the bill and then it will pass the senate if not it will be a fight. your numbers on the gop bill are scewed big time..
your base is the number they contend are out of the system now..and that base number is a lie.

They didn't take "abortion crap" out of the bill, they added much more restrictive language in the bill. The new language goes beyond even what the Hyde amendment requires.

What number is a lie? The number of people living in the US without insurance? Can you prove that number is a "lie"?

The Dems plan will insure 36 million of that 45 million...the GOP's plan? 3 million. Those numbers don't lie.

Oh look...another BAD idea by the GOP...being RUDE (with video)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/07/i-object-tom-price-tries_n_349587.html

I simply will never understand the posters on military.com who spend day after day, night after night in here bashing, hating, bickering.

Then, when the threads about the shooting at Fort Hood or the mid-air collision of the USCG C-130 and the USMC Cobra helicopter...when our own were lost, you all have got nothing to add.

Sad...

Now, back to our regular scheduled bickering.

Don

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Originally posted by 21yrsUSCGUSCS:
I simply will never understand the posters on military.com who spend day after day, night after night in here bashing, hating, bickering.

Then, when the threads about the shooting at Fort Hood or the mid-air collision of the USCG C-130 and the USMC Cobra helicopter...when our own were lost, you all have got nothing to add.

Sad...

Now, back to our regular scheduled bickering.

Don

We mourn in our own ways, Don.

For some, partisan bickering on a discussion board might be a coping tool--a chance to vent frustration and anger in light of some very ugly events.

I stood in my front yard the other night as a funeral procession passed for a young MP killed in A-Stan--he was a dog-handler, and his animal was killed with him. That's our second military funeral in two weeks in a county with less than 20,000 residents and no Army bases within hundreds of miles.

I posted pictures in the Memorial Thread, then got on with the bickering in this forum.

Those kids didn't die so that we'd stand paralyzed by fear and grief for the rest of our lives--they died to further protect our right to engage in pointless partisan bickering over health care and the current strategies in the GWOT...over who should represent us in DC and how they should represent us.

As to both the shooting at Fort Hood and the midair collision involving the CG C-130, I'm waiting for more facts before venting any venom on those found responsible--or irresponsible.

Suprise, the stateists like a stateist plan! You are free to chose,only what NANCY wants, what I want is irrelevent! TALK ABOUT bad ideas.


And the calousness of this Dem. fraud is mind boggling! Here we have the Dem.'s say tens of thousands of people dying in the streets and
they put the effective date of 2013! DEM'S CONDEM MANY TENS OF THOUSANDS TO PAINFUL UNNECESSARY DEATH should be the title of this thread, right?

A real positive health care imprrovement bill would include:

tort reform this does not.

increase new primary care MD's by a minimum of 30,000 this does not

increase all other health care providers, eg: nurses this does not

increase health care delivery infrastructure, like, say, more hospitals this does not

more private insurance options this does not


take a burden of increasing health insurance costs off small businesses it does not


If it were a stateist takeover of your health care it would eliminate many health care policy types it does

it would tax small business health care costs, making the costs higher it does

it would limit and tax health care savings accounts it does

it would keep secret the acceptable wording of insurance contracts under this bill it does.

Yet the usual suspects are self congratualatory about surrendering their sovrenty over ttheir own bodies and lives to the likes of Pelosi, Reid and Mr. Obama and his henchmen.

Seems crazy to me!

Liberals are the dumbest people I know...and threads like this prove it.


You morons simply see this as a political victory over your bitter conservative rivals, and fail to understand that all this Pelosi-back HCR bill does is weaken our nation.


The 2010 elections can't get here soon enough as far as I'm concerned.


Just hope the Senate can hold up this socialist crap of legislation long enough to finally kill it....along with Pelosi and the rest of those reptiles on the left.

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Originally posted by Sgt_Schlappy:
Liberals are the dumbest people I know...and threads like this prove it.


You morons simply see this as a political victory over your bitter conservative rivals, and fail to understand that all this Pelosi-back HCR bill does is weaken our nation.


The 2010 elections can't get here soon enough as far as I'm concerned.


Just hope the Senate can hold up this socialist crap of legislation long enough to finally kill it....along with Pelosi and the rest of those reptiles on the left.

Good to see that you're still posting here Sgt_Schlappy.

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Originally posted by Sgt_Schlappy:
Liberals are the dumbest people I know...and threads like this prove it.


You morons simply see this as a political victory over your bitter conservative rivals, and fail to understand that all this Pelosi-back HCR bill does is weaken our nation.


The 2010 elections can't get here soon enough as far as I'm concerned.


Just hope the Senate can hold up this socialist crap of legislation long enough to finally kill it....along with Pelosi and the rest of those reptiles on the left.

Ah, crazy conservative hyperbole! How's that nutjob Orly Taitz and Bat-sh** crazy Michelle Bachman doing these days?

Good luck stopping what the majority of Americans WANT.