And just what did this adminstration expect Russia to do when they pushed NATO right up to the Russian border and revealed plans to base anti-missle missles on their doorstep? Roll over and play dead?

Do they know nothing of Russian history? Are they so blinded by their own rhetoric that they expect the whole world to go along with their foolish, ideological ideas?

I swear....those idiots couldn't create the conditions for WWIII any better if they were trying.

Or...are they?



Europe faces Russian nuclear missile threat


Mark Franchetti in Moscow

Russia is thinking of aiming nuclear weapons at western Europe for the first time since the end of the cold war, according to defence sources in Moscow.

The move is being considered in response to American plans to develop a defence shield against missiles from Iran and other countries.

The plans under discussion include the possible deployment of ballistic missiles to Kaliningrad, a Russian enclave between the European Union countries of Lithuania and Poland. Kaliningrad has been nuclear-free since America and Russia agreed to scale back their nuclear ****nals at the end of the cold war.

A Russian parliamentary committee visited the enclave 10 days ago to examine how a new generation of nuclear missiles could be based there. Any such deployment would significantly escalate tensions in Europe between Moscow and Washington.

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Condoleezza Rice, America’s secretary of state, signed an agreement in Prague last week to build a radar station in the Czech Republic. The station is an important part of the US missile shield. Washington says the shield will defend Europe and America against attacks from rogue states such as Iran and North Korea.

Another deal, for Poland to host a base for 10 interceptor rockets on its border with Russia, is expected to be concluded later this year.

Moscow is bitterly opposed to the shield, saying that it is part of an aggressive US military expansion into its own back yard.

“One of the main steps under consideration is a redeployment of nuclear missiles to Kaliningrad and Belarus,” said a source with close connections to the Russian defence ministry.

“These missiles would be pointed at Europe. It would be a perfectly legitimate step. If America wants to expand its military capabilities in Europe, then we have the right to act accordingly.”

The source disputed America’s claim that the shield was intended to intercept missiles only from rogue states. “How would Washington feel if we placed interceptor missiles on Cuba or Venezuela?” he said.

Experts said the threat of deploying missiles in Kaliningrad was largely aimed at fuelling opposition to the shield in Poland and the Czech Republic, where oil supplies to its refineries from Russia fell sharply last week.

It would require Russia to build new long-range ground-based ballistic missiles since it has destroyed most of its Soviet-era ****nal.

“We take the possibility of missiles being redeployed against Europe very seriously and are aware of the discussions about Kaliningrad,” said a western diplomat. “But we also think there is some bluff involved. The Kremlin is banking on one thing — that the shield won’t see the light of day before President George W Bush leaves the White House next year and it could be scrapped after that.”

Russia’s angry response dispelled any illusion that under Dmitry Medvedev, its new president, the Kremlin would be any less hardline than it was during Vladimir Putin’s presidency. Putin, now prime minister, is widely viewed as Russia’s most powerful man.

Any hope that relations between Russia and Britain, which are at their worst since the end of the cold war, might improve following Gordon Brown’s meeting with Medvedev at the G8 summit last week was short-lived.

On Friday the Russians accused a British diplomat of being a spy. The claim followed accusations in Britain that the Russian state had been involved in the polonium poisoning of Alexander Litvinenko, the former KGB agent, in London in 2006 — which Moscow denies.

The FSB, the former KGB intelligence service, claims British spies are the world’s most aggressive in covert operations against Russia. It also suspects the British Council, a cultural organisation, of being a front for intelligence.

“Britain and Russia are in the middle of an intelligence battle,” the western diplomat said. “New president or not, it will take a long time to repair relations. More cold war spy scandals are very likely.”

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article4322468.ece

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The claim followed accusations in Britain that the Russian state had been involved in the polonium poisoning of Alexander Litvinenko, the former KGB agent, in London in 2006 — which Moscow denies.

Litvinenko was Islamic terrorist supporter and traitor to Russia. he was involved in plot to build nuclear trigger and his death was poetic justice, killed by his own devices.
British spies are a growing problem in Russia.

This is much to do about nothing, Obama will cancel this project first week in office if elected, if not, Russia will deploy more advanced missile to enclave as it already heavily militarized. nuclear weapons exist already there and air base can handle Tu160 bombers as well. It is like Hong Kong of Russia. many electronic factories there as well as a hummer and bmw plant. it is very modern.

the american missile base would be less than 600 miles from Russian border and that make it serious threat.

Ivan is sabre rattling again but it's just not the same as the old days when the words had 100 or so divisions backing them up...

On one hand I can see the Russian objections to our proposed missile shield in Central Europe--it does have the potential of looking like a forward-based threat.

On the other hand the Russians have bigger problems, unless they're foolish enough to believe that their erstwhile Iranian clients won't turn against them. The French finally woke up to that possibility and pulled out of Iran, so one wonders how long it will take the Russians to come to the same conclusions.

A Central European missile shield is primarily useful against the threat posed by Iran, although it could be equally useful against a threat posed by Russia. Right now I don't see Russia as an immediate threat, and they really shouldn't see us as such either. But then again, that's a question of trust and historically Russia has had little reason or inclination to trust anyone....

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Russia may target Europe with nuclear missles

So what's new - they always have! They would like to separate Europe from America, which may not be that difficult now that the USA is becoming insolvent and more a liability to Europe than a benefactor now -

Russia would love to replace us in that area - and isolate us more than we ever have been before - -

Hmmm...The US has an enourmous Military footprint on Irans west and eastern flanks...yup, makes perfect sense to place this missle shield in Europe-----Stupid Russian

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On the other hand the Russians have bigger problems, unless they're foolish enough to believe that their erstwhile Iranian clients won't turn against them. The French finally woke up to that possibility and pulled out of Iran, so one wonders how long it will take the Russians to come to the same conclusions.

but just like what america did with Venezuela, Russia can do to Iran. planes dont fly without critical parts and those TOR-M1 missiles use a unique li-Ion battery Iran cannot produce easily which will make them useless in about a year.
Russia is in a unique position to sabotage Iran's nuclear plant if things go south and they would do it without second thought.
Wouldnt it make more sense to place interceptors in Iraq or A-stan? Europe is last place Iran will shoot a missile.

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Russia would love to replace us in that area - and isolate us more than we ever have been before

LOL...keep dreaming.

Oh here we go again, back to the cold war

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Russia is in a unique position to sabotage Iran's nuclear plant if things go south and they would do it without second thought.

And there you have it--the Russians are poised to screw the Iranians when the time comes--and it will. But here's the question. We want to be Russia's ally. When will Russia trust us and be our ally...?

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Russia is in a unique position to sabotage Iran's nuclear plant if things go south and they would do it without second thought.

And there you have it--the Russians are poised to screw the Iranians when the time comes--and it will. But here's the question. We want to be Russia's ally. When will Russia trust us and be our ally...?

there was big chance for alliance after USSR breakup. Bush I and Clinton ruin that chance by castrating Russia until Putin came to power and give Russia courage again. Clinton try to destroy Russia and make it basically a servant state to US and under US control.
Then Bush II want alliance but want to control everything and make all the rules so that why still a stalemate.
Putin hope that Obama win so Russia have a turn at manipulating America for first time since RF started. Afghanistan and Iraq set the stage for Russian resurgence while US bogged down. $200 oil is realistic within days of Obama win as fear comes about higher taxes and money leaves America looking for safe place. Russia will use even higher oil cash to rebuild Russia to superpower. Putin says Russia will be leader again in 8 years time. You need McCain to win and lead with strength to challenge this.