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Originally posted by 67NOV:

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Originally posted by john2x:

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Originally posted by 67NOV:

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Originally posted by john2x:
You have said the Presidents Grandfather was a Nazi....

Nazi supporter and Traitor History and Gen Butler says that, I agree.

It's a stretch at best, to say he was a Nazi supporter. He worked for a company which had dealings with Nazi Germany(before war was declared). After the government made it a law of no dealings with Nazis, they stopped. If that is your link to Bush & Nazis, it's weak at best. What are you feelings about Joe Kennedy & Nazis???

True Joe kennedy was a wheeler dealer but was never involved in a coup d eta to overthrow the USA as was Prescott Bush which makes him a Traitor. Prescott was well on his way to being tried for treason along with the rest of the treasonous swine after M/C MOH reciepient General smedley Butler was asked to command a 5,000 man force infiltrated and then blew the whistle. And he would have been tried if not for Henry Stimpson, a former Yale S&B classmate of prescotts who convinced FDR not to go after Big business since it would hurt the War effort.

I've heard this one before, I think there was not much to it. If there had been you would have heard about it throught out the run-up to & through out the Reagan/Bush Administration. It would've been repeated when Poppa Bush ran for POTUS & we would've heard it yet again when Junior ran. Some stories grow with the telling, until what's left is a grain of truth & a mountain of speculation/inuendo.

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If this comes off as planned, How can Obama possibly ignore addressing it as he has been after all his campaign promises. Promises of transparent government and citizen participation
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June 25: Nationwide Protests Demand Accountability

Tens of thousands of people have sent letters calling for the appointment of a special prosecutor, and for the indictment and prosecution of Bush-era officials.

On this Thursday, June 25, the movement for prosecution and accountability will hold coordinated demonstrations in cities around the country, including Washington, D.C.; San Francisco, CA; Pasadena, CA; Thousand Oaks, CA; Boston, MA; Salt Lake City, UT; Seattle, WA; Portland, OR; Las Vegas, NV; Honolulu, HI; Tampa, FL; Philadelphia, PA; and Anchorage, AK. More than 40 organizations are working together for these actions.

In Washington, D.C., the demonstration will begin at John Marshall Park (501 Pennsylvania Ave. NW) at 11:00 a.m. with a rally followed by a march to the Justice Department. Among the speakers at the D.C. rally will be constitutional rights lawyer Mara Verheyden-Hilliard, co-founder of the Partnership for Civil Justice, speaking on behalf of IndictBushNow.org.

Volunteers and organizers are working to build the demonstrations, making placards, handing out leaflets, calling the media and carrying out many other tasks. People are traveling long distances to make their voices heard.

People all over the country are saying loud and clear: No One Is Above the Law! Join us today.

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Originally posted by Raunchy:

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Originally posted by john2x:
If this comes off as planned, How can Obama possibly ignore addressing it as he has been after all his campaign promises. Promises of transparent government and citizen participation
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June 25: Nationwide Protests Demand Accountability

Tens of thousands of people have sent letters calling for the appointment of a special prosecutor, and for the indictment and prosecution of Bush-era officials.

On this Thursday, June 25, the movement for prosecution and accountability will hold coordinated demonstrations in cities around the country, including Washington, D.C.; San Francisco, CA; Pasadena, CA; Thousand Oaks, CA; Boston, MA; Salt Lake City, UT; Seattle, WA; Portland, OR; Las Vegas, NV; Honolulu, HI; Tampa, FL; Philadelphia, PA; and Anchorage, AK. More than 40 organizations are working together for these actions.

In Washington, D.C., the demonstration will begin at John Marshall Park (501 Pennsylvania Ave. NW) at 11:00 a.m. with a rally followed by a march to the Justice Department. Among the speakers at the D.C. rally will be constitutional rights lawyer Mara Verheyden-Hilliard, co-founder of the Partnership for Civil Justice, speaking on behalf of IndictBushNow.org.

Volunteers and organizers are working to build the demonstrations, making placards, handing out leaflets, calling the media and carrying out many other tasks. People are traveling long distances to make their voices heard.

People all over the country are saying loud and clear: No One Is Above the Law! Join us today.

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Originally posted by DriedUpSquid: Are you kidding? The right wings wanted his head on a stick! I would rather have the President get a BJ in office rather than send thousands of people to die for no reason.

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Originally posted by RRR52:

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Originally posted by DriedUpSquid: Are you kidding? The right wings wanted his head on a stick! I would rather have the President get a BJ in office rather than send thousands of people to die for no reason.

Those who have voluntarily fought and died in Iraq and Afghanistan and elsewhere in the Global War on Terror (sorry Obama, wishin' an' hopin' don't make it go away) did NOT do so for no reason. Unlike the self-centered, simpleminded fools and knaves who now belittle the efforts of better Americans than they have ever been or ever will be, they who have passed knew why they were there, and they accepted the risk, knowing it was of sufficient value to put their sacred lives on the line. Only a godforsaken, freedom-hating idiot who seeks to mock and degrade their sacrifices will say or think they died for no reason.

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Originally posted by PinkBlossoms:
I'll second that toast, Raunchy!! Good guy.

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Originally posted by RRR52:

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Originally posted by DriedUpSquid: Are you kidding? The right wings wanted his head on a stick! I would rather have the President get a BJ in office rather than send thousands of people to die for no reason.

Those who have voluntarily fought and died in Iraq and Afghanistan and elsewhere in the Global War on Terror (sorry Obama, wishin' an' hopin' don't make it go away) did NOT do so for no reason. Unlike the self-centered, simpleminded fools and knaves who now belittle the efforts of better Americans than they have ever been or ever will be, they who have passed knew why they were there, and they accepted the risk, knowing it was of sufficient value to put their sacred lives on the line. Only a godforsaken, freedom-hating idiot who seeks to mock and degrade their sacrifices will say or think they died for no reason.

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Originally posted by john2x:

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Originally posted by RRR52:

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Originally posted by DriedUpSquid: Are you kidding? The right wings wanted his head on a stick! I would rather have the President get a BJ in office rather than send thousands of people to die for no reason.

Those who have voluntarily fought and died in Iraq and Afghanistan and elsewhere in the Global War on Terror (sorry Obama, wishin' an' hopin' don't make it go away) did NOT do so for no reason. Unlike the self-centered, simpleminded fools and knaves who now belittle the efforts of better Americans than they have ever been or ever will be, they who have passed knew why they were there, and they accepted the risk, knowing it was of sufficient value to put their sacred lives on the line. Only a godforsaken, freedom-hating idiot who seeks to mock and degrade their sacrifices will say or think they died for no reason.

Better Americans? Freedom hating idiots? Thats a pretty strong analogy. no one ever belittled the the service ot the sacrifices our troops have made That I have seen anywhere on these boards. The tragic loss of unnecessary life is what I see being mentioned. (GWB did not go to war on his own. The congress approved. Yes, the loss of the lives of American troops is tragic but to say it was unnecessary is to cheapen their sacrifice. I've heard the same comments made about those of us that went to the Nam. "Fools for risking our lives unnecessarily...."

Our job was done with Mission accomplished and it was thier civil war to decide the balance of power. All we managed to do was occupy a soveriegn nation for 8 years, delay the inevitable, Lose thousands of American troops and maim many thousands more. As they celebrate the initial attacks start. It didnt take long and its only the start.

*http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/01/world/middleeast/01iraq.html?_r=1&th&emc=th*

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Originally posted by john2x:

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Originally posted by RRR52:

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Originally posted by DriedUpSquid: Are you kidding? The right wings wanted his head on a stick! I would rather have the President get a BJ in office rather than send thousands of people to die for no reason.

Those who have voluntarily fought and died in Iraq and Afghanistan and elsewhere in the Global War on Terror (sorry Obama, wishin' an' hopin' don't make it go away) did NOT do so for no reason. Unlike the self-centered, simpleminded fools and knaves who now belittle the efforts of better Americans than they have ever been or ever will be, they who have passed knew why they were there, and they accepted the risk, knowing it was of sufficient value to put their sacred lives on the line. Only a godforsaken, freedom-hating idiot who seeks to mock and degrade their sacrifices will say or think they died for no reason.

Better Americans? Freedom hating idiots? Thats a pretty strong analogy. no one ever belittled the the service ot the sacrifices our troops have made That I have seen anywhere on these boards. The tragic loss of unnecessary life is what I see being mentioned.

Our job was done with Mission accomplished and it was thier civil war to decide the balance of power. All we managed to do was occupy a soveriegn nation for 8 years,
And what soveriegn country was that?? Iraq's sovreignity was compromized when Saddam agreed with the UN to a cease fire. He agreed to allow foreign inspectors in Iraq to confirm that he had destroyed his weapons, it was he who failed to comply with the agreement, it was simply outragious that the UN sanctioned Saddam 15 times and still did not act. It is guys like you who will continue to repeat the "Big Lie"
delay the inevitable, Lose thousands of American troops and maim many thousands more. As they celebrate the initial attacks start. It didnt take long and its only the start.

*http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/01/world/middleeast/01iraq.html?_r=1&th&emc=th*

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Originally posted by john2x:

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Originally posted by RRR52:

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Originally posted by DriedUpSquid: Are you kidding? The right wings wanted his head on a stick! I would rather have the President get a BJ in office rather than send thousands of people to die for no reason.

Those who have voluntarily fought and died in Iraq and Afghanistan and elsewhere in the Global War on Terror (sorry Obama, wishin' an' hopin' don't make it go away) did NOT do so for no reason. Unlike the self-centered, simpleminded fools and knaves who now belittle the efforts of better Americans than they have ever been or ever will be, they who have passed knew why they were there, and they accepted the risk, knowing it was of sufficient value to put their sacred lives on the line. Only a godforsaken, freedom-hating idiot who seeks to mock and degrade their sacrifices will say or think they died for no reason.

Better Americans? Freedom hating idiots? Thats a pretty strong analogy. no one ever belittled the the service ot the sacrifices our troops have made That I have seen anywhere on these boards. The tragic loss of unnecessary life is what I see being mentioned.

Our job was done with Mission accomplished and it was thier civil war to decide the balance of power. All we managed to do was occupy a soveriegn nation for 8 years,
And what soveriegn country was that?? Iraq's sovreignity was compromized when Saddam agreed with the UN to a cease fire. He agreed to allow foreign inspectors in Iraq to confirm that he had destroyed his weapons, it was he who failed to comply with the agreement, it was simply outragious that the UN sanctioned Saddam 15 times and still did not act. It is guys like you who will continue to repeat the "Big Lie"
delay the inevitable, Lose thousands of American troops and maim many thousands more. As they celebrate the initial attacks start. It didnt take long and its only the start.

*http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/01/world/middleeast/01iraq.html?_r=1&th&emc=th*

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Originally posted by john2x:

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Originally posted by RRR52:

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Originally posted by DriedUpSquid: Are you kidding? The right wings wanted his head on a stick! I would rather have the President get a BJ in office rather than send thousands of people to die for no reason.

Those who have voluntarily fought and died in Iraq and Afghanistan and elsewhere in the Global War on Terror (sorry Obama, wishin' an' hopin' don't make it go away) did NOT do so for no reason. Unlike the self-centered, simpleminded fools and knaves who now belittle the efforts of better Americans than they have ever been or ever will be, they who have passed knew why they were there, and they accepted the risk, knowing it was of sufficient value to put their sacred lives on the line. Only a godforsaken, freedom-hating idiot who seeks to mock and degrade their sacrifices will say or think they died for no reason.

Better Americans? Freedom hating idiots? Thats a pretty strong analogy. no one ever belittled the the service ot the sacrifices our troops have made That I have seen anywhere on these boards. The tragic loss of unnecessary life is what I see being mentioned.

Our job was done with Mission accomplished and it was thier civil war to decide the balance of power. All we managed to do was occupy a soveriegn nation for 8 years, delay the inevitable, Lose thousands of American troops and maim many thousands more. As they celebrate the initial attacks start. It didnt take long and its only the start.
Well since others have already challenged the first two glareing errors I will only challenge the third. We went into Iraq in 2003, it is now 2009, where do you get the 8 year figure? Also for many years of that we were asked by the Iraqi government to stay, how is that occupying? Are we still occupying Germany and Japan?

*http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/01/world/middleeast/01iraq.html?_r=1&th&emc=th*

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Originally posted by iamgonzo:

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Originally posted by john2x:

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Originally posted by RRR52:

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Originally posted by DriedUpSquid: Are you kidding? The right wings wanted his head on a stick! I would rather have the President get a BJ in office rather than send thousands of people to die for no reason.

Those who have voluntarily fought and died in Iraq and Afghanistan and elsewhere in the Global War on Terror (sorry Obama, wishin' an' hopin' don't make it go away) did NOT do so for no reason. Unlike the self-centered, simpleminded fools and knaves who now belittle the efforts of better Americans than they have ever been or ever will be, they who have passed knew why they were there, and they accepted the risk, knowing it was of sufficient value to put their sacred lives on the line. Only a godforsaken, freedom-hating idiot who seeks to mock and degrade their sacrifices will say or think they died for no reason.

Better Americans? Freedom hating idiots? Thats a pretty strong analogy. no one ever belittled the the service ot the sacrifices our troops have made That I have seen anywhere on these boards. The tragic loss of unnecessary life is what I see being mentioned.

Our job was done with Mission accomplished and it was thier civil war to decide the balance of power. All we managed to do was occupy a soveriegn nation for 8 years, delay the inevitable, Lose thousands of American troops and maim many thousands more. As they celebrate the initial attacks start. It didnt take long and its only the start.
Well since others have already challenged the first two glareing errors I will only challenge the third. We went into Iraq in 2003, it is now 2009, where do you get the 8 year figure? Also for many years of that we were asked by the Iraqi government to stay, how is that occupying? Are we still occupying Germany and Japan?

*http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/01/world/middleeast/01iraq.html?_r=1&th&emc=th*

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Originally posted by PinkBlossoms:
Same here - and good to see your smiling face!

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Originally posted by john2x:

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Originally posted by iamgonzo:

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Originally posted by john2x:

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Originally posted by RRR52:

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Originally posted by DriedUpSquid: Are you kidding? The right wings wanted his head on a stick! I would rather have the President get a BJ in office rather than send thousands of people to die for no reason.

Those who have voluntarily fought and died in Iraq and Afghanistan and elsewhere in the Global War on Terror (sorry Obama, wishin' an' hopin' don't make it go away) did NOT do so for no reason. Unlike the self-centered, simpleminded fools and knaves who now belittle the efforts of better Americans than they have ever been or ever will be, they who have passed knew why they were there, and they accepted the risk, knowing it was of sufficient value to put their sacred lives on the line. Only a godforsaken, freedom-hating idiot who seeks to mock and degrade their sacrifices will say or think they died for no reason.

Better Americans? Freedom hating idiots? Thats a pretty strong analogy. no one ever belittled the the service ot the sacrifices our troops have made That I have seen anywhere on these boards. The tragic loss of unnecessary life is what I see being mentioned.

Our job was done with Mission accomplished and it was thier civil war to decide the balance of power. All we managed to do was occupy a soveriegn nation for 8 years, delay the inevitable, Lose thousands of American troops and maim many thousands more. As they celebrate the initial attacks start. It didnt take long and its only the start.
Well since others have already challenged the first two glareing errors I will only challenge the third. We went into Iraq in 2003, it is now 2009, where do you get the 8 year figure? Also for many years of that we were asked by the Iraqi government to stay, how is that occupying? Are we still occupying Germany and Japan?

*http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/01/world/middleeast/01iraq.html?_r=1&th&emc=th*

No but were not killing germans or japs either or calling the shots as we have been in Iraq.
What do you think the celebration is about? I believe the paper said freed from the American occupation. 8 years is Nice round number and close enough without counting months.