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Originally posted by john2x:

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Originally posted by LineDoggie:

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Originally posted by john2x:

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Originally posted by Tomcatt:
What laws are you saying were broken? Or are you suggesting they search to see if any laws were broken

Constitutional law for starters on more than one occasion, international law, and failing to investigate properly the most tragic attack in America's history Where even now the original commissioners of that commitee are calling for a new complete investigation. For all we know they could be complicit or had prior knowledge.
An indictment is not a conviction it's accountability for what youve been accused of.

And yes it is way overdue and old as one poster commented, But so is the liberty incident, and the controversial JFK assasination,along with the Gulf of tonkin attack. So are we expected to just forget about it? When does it end? President Obama campaigned on open government and an end to secret Goverment now lets see if he delivers.

Says it all really about the Conspiracy crowd.

What conspiracy? These events were factual do you deny that?

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Originally posted by LineDoggie:

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Originally posted by john2x:

What conspiracy? These events were factual do you deny that?

Do I deny the Government committed 9-11 Atttacks? Yes I do

Do I deny the Government knew the attacks were coming and stood idly by? Yes I do

Do I deny the Constitution was Violated by the action in Iraq? Yes I do

Your a Conspiracy guy, conspriacies for every day of the week. Hell they even set up your own section here for your spoutings and still you infest the normal boards with conspiracy after conspiracy.

Occams Razor- Learn it, Live it, Love it.

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Originally posted by Tomcatt:

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Originally posted by john2x:

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Originally posted by LineDoggie:

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Originally posted by john2x:

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Originally posted by Tomcatt:
What laws are you saying were broken? Or are you suggesting they search to see if any laws were broken

Constitutional law for starters on more than one occasion, international law, and failing to investigate properly the most tragic attack in America's history Where even now the original commissioners of that commitee are calling for a new complete investigation. For all we know they could be complicit or had prior knowledge.
An indictment is not a conviction it's accountability for what youve been accused of.

And yes it is way overdue and old as one poster commented, But so is the liberty incident, and the controversial JFK assasination,along with the Gulf of tonkin attack. So are we expected to just forget about it? When does it end? President Obama campaigned on open government and an end to secret Goverment now lets see if he delivers.

Says it all really about the Conspiracy crowd.

What conspiracy? These events were factual do you deny that?

but you haven't posted any facts. Well JFK was assassinated and there was an incident in the Gulf of Tonkin. Beyond that I am still waiting for facts, or even one law that was broken. No broad strokes, specifics on what law you think was broken.

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Originally posted by john2x:


These events happened so how is that conspiracy? You toss that word around far to frequently when your boy is called to task.

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Originally posted by john2x:
Do the words Violation of Geneva Conventions, illegal wire taps, sound familiar? Or didnt they happen?

Are they Impeachable offenses?

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Originally posted by john2x:So why the hissy fit when a group demands accountability.

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Originally posted by john2xid you know that an impeachment
is not a conviction?

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Originally posted by john2x:You served long enough to know that its not only a right but a duty to question government and elected officials and thats what this group is doing.

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Originally posted by john2x:
And might I remind you this is my thread so Its not I that infest normal threads as you claim its you that infest my normal thread and try to put a spin with your opinions that have no bearing on the scope of this thread in you defense of your hero. So why are you here??

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Originally posted by Tomcatt:
...are you suggesting they search to see if any laws were broken

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Originally posted by skinman13:

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Originally posted by Tomcatt:
...are you suggesting they search to see if any laws were broken

It worked for the GOP in 1996...

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Originally posted by threerings:

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Originally posted by skinman13:

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Originally posted by Tomcatt:
...are you suggesting they search to see if any laws were broken

It worked for the GOP in 1996...

The suspect in 96..was still in office.

I say bring it. Lets roll the dice and see where this goes. I'm betting it exposes Obama's programs as the weak, ineffective, waste of time and money they actually are..

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Originally posted by john2x:

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Originally posted by Tomcatt:

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Originally posted by john2x:

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Originally posted by LineDoggie:

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Originally posted by john2x:

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Originally posted by Tomcatt:
What laws are you saying were broken? Or are you suggesting they search to see if any laws were broken

Constitutional law for starters on more than one occasion, international law, and failing to investigate properly the most tragic attack in America's history Where even now the original commissioners of that commitee are calling for a new complete investigation. For all we know they could be complicit or had prior knowledge.
An indictment is not a conviction it's accountability for what youve been accused of.

And yes it is way overdue and old as one poster commented, But so is the liberty incident, and the controversial JFK assasination,along with the Gulf of tonkin attack. So are we expected to just forget about it? When does it end? President Obama campaigned on open government and an end to secret Goverment now lets see if he delivers.

Says it all really about the Conspiracy crowd.

What conspiracy? These events were factual do you deny that?

but you haven't posted any facts. Well JFK was assassinated and there was an incident in the Gulf of Tonkin. Beyond that I am still waiting for facts, or even one law that was broken. No broad strokes, specifics on what law you think was broken.

Exceeding his presidential authority by
Authorizing torture a violation of the Geneva Conventions and hence a constitutional violation

Unauthorized Wire tapping.

Presenting congress incomplete altered Intel documents when asking for approval to invade Iraq. Original documents stated Iraq was not a threat to national security.

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Originally posted by Tomcatt:

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Originally posted by john2x:

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Originally posted by Tomcatt:

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Originally posted by john2x:

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Originally posted by LineDoggie:

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Originally posted by john2x:

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Originally posted by Tomcatt:
What laws are you saying were broken? Or are you suggesting they search to see if any laws were broken

Constitutional law for starters on more than one occasion, international law, and failing to investigate properly the most tragic attack in America's history Where even now the original commissioners of that commitee are calling for a new complete investigation. For all we know they could be complicit or had prior knowledge.
An indictment is not a conviction it's accountability for what youve been accused of.

And yes it is way overdue and old as one poster commented, But so is the liberty incident, and the controversial JFK assasination,along with the Gulf of tonkin attack. So are we expected to just forget about it? When does it end? President Obama campaigned on open government and an end to secret Goverment now lets see if he delivers.

Says it all really about the Conspiracy crowd.

What conspiracy? These events were factual do you deny that?

but you haven't posted any facts. Well JFK was assassinated and there was an incident in the Gulf of Tonkin. Beyond that I am still waiting for facts, or even one law that was broken. No broad strokes, specifics on what law you think was broken.

Exceeding his presidential authority by
Authorizing torture a violation of the Geneva Conventions and hence a constitutional violation

Unauthorized Wire tapping.

Presenting congress incomplete altered Intel documents when asking for approval to invade Iraq. Original documents stated Iraq was not a threat to national security.

well he did get leagal opinions first, but you may possibly be correct on that. are you also up for indicting the members of congress who were informed of what was going to be done and allowed it?

Absolutely all that were complicit should be indicted tried and preventented from ever being allowed to run for public office.

He did his job by informing congressional leaders, they allowed it and oversite is their job

Unauthorized wiretapping? the wiretapping authorized by congress?

Yes authorized after the fact when brought to light.

no docs were changed, many still say they were not a threat but some did say they were a threat

Fact is we dont really dont know. If that were the case it would surely have been used as a defense when vincent Bugliosi made that charge before the Impeach/no impeach judiciary congressional hearings producing the documents. It was not defended.

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Nationwide Protests Demand Accountability

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I am at day 38 without a cigarette ... after 43 years of 3+ packs a day.

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Originally posted by I_M_Qwerty:

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If this comes off as planned, How can Obama possibly ignore addressing it as he has been after all his campaign promises. Promises of transparent government and citizen participation.

Whether these protests happen ... or not ... Obama is now privy to the secrets of government ... and, in the words of Paul Harvey, now knows the "rest of the story" ... that which you and I do not. It is one thing to be on the side-lines ... quite another to be in the game.

You and I are on the sidelines ... as was Obama. He is now in the game ... we (and these flatulent protestors) are not.

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Originally posted by DMarkUhler:

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I am at day 38 without a cigarette ... after 43 years of 3+ packs a day.

Good job!

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Originally posted by LineDoggie:

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Originally posted by john2x:


These events happened so how is that conspiracy? You toss that word around far to frequently when your boy is called to task.

Lets see

So Far you have said the US Government was aware of 9-11 before it happened....

My personal opinions which means nothing just as yours. Ive always advocated non partisan investigations truth so we both would know and not have to depend on opinions and he said she said.

You have said the President was responsible for 9-11 happening.....

See above.

You have said the Presidents Grandfather was a Nazi....

Nazi supporter and Traitor History and Gen Butler says that, I agree.

You have said the Moon Landings were a Hoax....

Never said or ever believed that at all.

You have said the Aircraft on 9-11 werent Commercial Airliners....

That possibility still exsists in the he said she said world of reality. see the Northwoods documents. Not impossible.

You have said a Missile hit the pentagon, even when pictures of the A/C wreckage were posted to refute your ramblings.....

Anyone can take pictures at an aircraft bone yard and post them thats not proof. where are the pictures from the many security cameras showing the plane approaching, why were they confiscated and not released after they were examined?

You have said Bush & Cheney need to be charged with Murders.....

Only after an investigation shows they were complicit and if that were the proven wouldnt you agree?

You have said Bush was going to declare Martial Law, didnt happen did it.....?

No it didnt but because of his PD a president now has the authority to bypass other branches of government. You think thats a good Idea?

You have said We have Concentration camps for US Citizens run by Bush.....

The he said she said news still claims that we have detention centers in the US.

Thats the quick and dirty guide to your posting history just from thread topics. A deeper perusal shows even more.

News articals and Personal Opinions. I have mine you have yours. The difference being I want the truth, you accept as fact what is not proven.

You have said Obama wasnt a US Native born Citizen

And That could still be the case technically? The questions you should be asking yourself is why cant we ever prove anything? Why is there such a powerful counter information network in this country that keeps the nation divided. Whos behind it and Why? Why is the Nation in such a fragile state? Have our enemies won? Surely you cant believe it was thier intent to occupy this country? It was to bankrupt us, divide us, weaken us, Kill Americans, cause mistrust of Government, and at this point they appear to have accomplished that goal.COLOR]

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Originally posted by john2x:
Do the words Violation of Geneva Conventions, illegal wire taps, sound familiar? Or didnt they happen?

Are they Impeachable offenses?

Are they?

Show where in the Constitution Phone Taps are Mentioned?
United States v. Brown, 484 F.2d 418 (5th Cir. 1973), and United States v. Butenko, 494 F.2d 593 (3rd Cir. 1974)upheld warrantless taps

[COLOR:RED]That comes under privacy. Warrantless wiretaps Without probable cause are still illegal.


Show where the Geneva Conventions are Mentioned?

Artical 6 All treaties shall become the supreme law of the land.

The UN Expert on War Crimes, Richard Goldstone has already said the USA committed No War Crimes in Iraq.

Our constitution says differently and thats what counts.

He is The UN Expert on such things.

XXXhttp://www.rnw.nl/english/article/us-committed-no-war-crimes-iraqXXX

How does that fit your conspiracies?

As expected not at all. Still all amounts to he said she said and no answers to some serious questions by credible experts in every field. WHY?

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Originally posted by john2x:So why the hissy fit when a group demands accountability.

The Hissy fit has been yours for the last 2 years. What you've advocated was Lynchmob mentality since arriving on these boards.

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Originally posted by john2xid you know that an impeachment
is not a conviction?

Well Aware, also know that nothing you've posted yet has made the Bill for even an Indictment, much less an Impeachment.

Read again then.

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Originally posted by john2x:You served long enough to know that its not only a right but a duty to question government and elected officials and thats what this group is doing.

Question yes, Your accusing the President constantly. Your making outlandish accusations about the Government and been proved wrong time and again. You even do it now with the new admin. Your a Truther and a Birther.

Im not making these accusations,Im agreeing with the possibilities based on the information being provided by experts in the field and a flawed incomplete official
report. Im advocation a full blown non partisan investigation to reveal the truth expose the reason for our state of the union and and deal with it.

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Originally posted by john2x:
And might I remind you this is my thread so Its not I that infest normal threads as you claim its you that infest my normal thread and try to put a spin with your opinions that have no bearing on the scope of this thread in you defense of your hero. So why are you here??

And Might I remind You, I have the right to post in any thread I so choose. You dont decide who posts in your threads.

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Originally posted by I_M_Qwerty:

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Originally posted by DMarkUhler:

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I am at day 38 without a cigarette ... after 43 years of 3+ packs a day.

Good job!

Thanks Dave. I'm going to make it now ... getting easier by the day ... but those first 10-15 were rough. The extra $$$ make for an encouraging way to keep score!

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Originally posted by john2x:
DMarkUhler
Posted Fri 26 June 2009 11:27 AM
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I am at day 38 without a cigarette ... after 43 years of 3+ packs a day.


That incredible keep up the good work. Im going to try again, Im a two packer for over 60 years
and fall off the horse every time I try. Once got to two years but was smoking 20 cigars a day
Tipperillos with the plastic tips.

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Originally posted by I_M_Qwerty:

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Originally posted by DMarkUhler:

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I am at day 38 without a cigarette ... after 43 years of 3+ packs a day.

Good job!

Thanks Dave. I'm going to make it now ... getting easier by the day ... but those first 10-15 were rough. The extra $$$ make for an encouraging way to keep score!

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Originally posted by john2x:
You have said the Presidents Grandfather was a Nazi....

Nazi supporter and Traitor History and Gen Butler says that, I agree.

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Originally posted by dragonflyer04:
Not being the lynch mob type now is the time for the US citizenry to start moving into the streets and demanding the lobbyists leave the national legislature and the national legislature (US Congress) starts looking at our needs not corporations... WTF? If this isn't the time then there will never be one!

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Great site, it help me a great deal.

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Originally posted by 67NOV:

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Originally posted by john2x:
You have said the Presidents Grandfather was a Nazi....

Nazi supporter and Traitor History and Gen Butler says that, I agree.

It's a stretch at best, to say he was a Nazi supporter. He worked for a company which had dealings with Nazi Germany(before war was declared). After the government made it a law of no dealings with Nazis, they stopped. If that is your link to Bush & Nazis, it's weak at best. What are you feelings about Joe Kennedy & Nazis???

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Originally posted by john2x:
If this comes off as planned, How can Obama possibly ignore addressing it as he has been after all his campaign promises. Promises of transparent government and citizen participation
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June 25: Nationwide Protests Demand Accountability

Tens of thousands of people have sent letters calling for the appointment of a special prosecutor, and for the indictment and prosecution of Bush-era officials.

On this Thursday, June 25, the movement for prosecution and accountability will hold coordinated demonstrations in cities around the country, including Washington, D.C.; San Francisco, CA; Pasadena, CA; Thousand Oaks, CA; Boston, MA; Salt Lake City, UT; Seattle, WA; Portland, OR; Las Vegas, NV; Honolulu, HI; Tampa, FL; Philadelphia, PA; and Anchorage, AK. More than 40 organizations are working together for these actions.

In Washington, D.C., the demonstration will begin at John Marshall Park (501 Pennsylvania Ave. NW) at 11:00 a.m. with a rally followed by a march to the Justice Department. Among the speakers at the D.C. rally will be constitutional rights lawyer Mara Verheyden-Hilliard, co-founder of the Partnership for Civil Justice, speaking on behalf of IndictBushNow.org.

Volunteers and organizers are working to build the demonstrations, making placards, handing out leaflets, calling the media and carrying out many other tasks. People are traveling long distances to make their voices heard.

People all over the country are saying loud and clear: No One Is Above the Law! Join us today.

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Originally posted by dragonflyer04:
Not being the lynch mob type now is the time for the US citizenry to start moving into the streets and demanding the lobbyists leave the national legislature and the national legislature (US Congress) starts looking at our needs not corporations... WTF? If this isn't the time then there will never be one!

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Originally posted by teamrope:

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Originally posted by john2x:
If this comes off as planned, How can Obama possibly ignore addressing it as he has been after all his campaign promises. Promises of transparent government and citizen participation
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June 25: Nationwide Protests Demand Accountability

Tens of thousands of people have sent letters calling for the appointment of a special prosecutor, and for the indictment and prosecution of Bush-era officials.

On this Thursday, June 25, the movement for prosecution and accountability will hold coordinated demonstrations in cities around the country, including Washington, D.C.; San Francisco, CA; Pasadena, CA; Thousand Oaks, CA; Boston, MA; Salt Lake City, UT; Seattle, WA; Portland, OR; Las Vegas, NV; Honolulu, HI; Tampa, FL; Philadelphia, PA; and Anchorage, AK. More than 40 organizations are working together for these actions.

In Washington, D.C., the demonstration will begin at John Marshall Park (501 Pennsylvania Ave. NW) at 11:00 a.m. with a rally followed by a march to the Justice Department. Among the speakers at the D.C. rally will be constitutional rights lawyer Mara Verheyden-Hilliard, co-founder of the Partnership for Civil Justice, speaking on behalf of IndictBushNow.org.

Volunteers and organizers are working to build the demonstrations, making placards, handing out leaflets, calling the media and carrying out many other tasks. People are traveling long distances to make their voices heard.

People all over the country are saying loud and clear: No One Is Above the Law! Join us today.

It wasn't successful in Seattle. Didn't even make the local news.... If it happened.

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Originally posted by john2x:

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Originally posted by 67NOV:

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Originally posted by john2x:
You have said the Presidents Grandfather was a Nazi....

Nazi supporter and Traitor History and Gen Butler says that, I agree.

It's a stretch at best, to say he was a Nazi supporter. He worked for a company which had dealings with Nazi Germany(before war was declared). After the government made it a law of no dealings with Nazis, they stopped. If that is your link to Bush & Nazis, it's weak at best. What are you feelings about Joe Kennedy & Nazis???

True Joe kennedy was a wheeler dealer but was never involved in a coup d eta to overthrow the USA as was Prescott Bush which makes him a Traitor. Prescott was well on his way to being tried for treason along with the rest of the treasonous swine after M/C MOH reciepient General smedley Butler was asked to command a 5,000 man force infiltrated and then blew the whistle. And he would have been tried if not for Henry Stimpson, a former Yale S&B classmate of prescotts who convinced FDR not to go after Big business since it would hurt the War effort.