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Britain halts immigration


September 9, 2007


By Patrick Hennessy - LONDON SUNDAY TELEGRAPH

LONDON — Tens of thousands of immigrant workers will be forced to learn English before they are allowed into Britain under a plan Prime Minister Gordon Brown is expected to announce tomorrow in a speech to the Trades Union Congress in Brighton, informed sources revealed yesterday.

The rules, expected to reduce the number of people entering Britain by at least 35,000 a year, will affect those from countries outside the European Union who are seeking to work and settle permanently in Britain.

"Those who we welcome into the UK to work and settle here need to understand our traditions and feel that they are part of our shared national culture," Home Secretary Jacqui Smith said. "They need to integrate into our country, learn English and use our language."

Mr. Brown's aides said the initiative will form a "key plank" of the Labor Party government's new policy on immigration. It will be seen as another shift to the right following the prime minister's moves to block supercasinos and to review the decision to reclassify cannabis as a less dangerous drug.

The new policy will present opposition leader David Cameron with a dilemma: If he attacks Mr. Brown's plan, he risks once again angering his "core support" among right-of-center voters. Mr. Cameron is trying to reposition the Conser-vatives as a modern, compassionate party and has shied from referring to immigration.

Under the government's new "points" system, there are three main categories of immigrants coming to Britain from outside the European Union to work — highly skilled, skilled and low-skilled workers. The first two groups eventually can settle permanently in Britain; the third group cannot.

Highly skilled migrants have been forced to learn English as a condition of entry since last December. However, Mr. Brown and Mrs. Smith will announce this week that the condition will be extended to all skilled migrants, who numbered 96,000 last year.

According to government source, about 35,000 of them would not have passed a test for speaking English. They will be now be expected to speak, write and understand English to a standard equivalent to passing secondary school in Britain with grades A to C, obtaining proof either by passing an internationally recognized English test or showing they have a university degree from a course taught in English.

Mr. Brown and Mrs. Smith also will announce a review of whether the new restrictions should be extended to low-skilled workers, such as fruit pickers, even though they are not allowed to settle permanently in Britain.

The new rules will have only a handful of exemptions, likely to include international soccer players signed by Premier League clubs who will be allowed in for "practical reasons," said government sources.

The new policy builds on a previous speech by Mr. Brown, in which he stressed his preference for training unemployed and low-skilled Britons to fill the country's skills gap rather than relying on additional migrants.

"At present, people who seek to come to the UK permanently, or as highly skilled workers, are required to speak English. We want to go further and make speaking English a requirement for all those coming into the UK to do lesser-skilled work, and we will be looking at extending this requirement to those who come to the UK to do low-skilled work as well," Mrs. Smith said.

Statistics show that immigrants who speak English competently are far more likely to succeed in the British labor market than those who do not. Government estimates suggest the likely earnings of migrant workers who speak English are about 20 percent higher than those who don't.

Shortly before he became prime minister in June, Mr. Brown said at a trade union conference: "It is time to train British workers for the British jobs that will be available over the coming few years and to make sure that people who are inactive and unemployed are able to get the new jobs on offer in our country."

I don't see the point of forcing someone to learn English. Speak whatever you want. just don't get mad when you can't find a job or make the money you want to.

It's about bloody time Gunny, this has also been reported in the Washington times: http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AI...9090036/-1/RSS_WORLD

Also check out this BBC article: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/408525.stm

So now start to see the screws being slowly tightened on these sponging illegal immigrants.

Horrah!


Cry Haddock! Let slip the Cod of War! Captain birdseye.

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I don't see the point of forcing someone to learn English. Speak whatever you want. just don't get mad when you can't find a job or make the money you want to.

That sounds good up front, but the will arrive and be sponges as Fletch stated. The point is if you want to be a part of a country learn the language and GB forcing them to do it prior to arrival is good and smart policy for the country and those immigrants.

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It's about bloody time Gunny, this has also been reported in the Washington times: http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AI...9090036/-1/RSS_WORLD

Also check out this BBC article: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/408525.stm

So now start to see the screws being slowly tightened on these sponging illegal immigrants.

Horrah!

Cheers! Just wish our Gov't has the ballz to do it, but you dont have the aclu and whiny victim wannabee groups on the level we do.

I think that the welfare system in the UK is considerably more lax than in the states. That so, Fletch? I seem to recall that if someone can make it into the country, they basically get a handout and a place to live courtesty of the UK taxpayer.

I think a better way of halting unwanted immigration is to severely limit who gets public assistance and for how long. Just showing up with my hat in my hand should not equal a free meal ticket and a place to live. Your 'wanted' immigrants are going to be those who already speak the language, have a valuable skill to give to the host country, and who are able to support themselves and their families.

Boy! I guess that leaves us U.S. out in the cold. We'uns all tawlk Redneck English!

GEEEEEEEEEE what a novel idea, learn to speek English.............ya English.........why didn't we think of this first???????

I would like to see something similar enacted here. But think of how funny it would be to require an English aptitude test for voter registration!!! Most of our natural born citizens would not be able to pass!

I think we should do something like that here in the U.S. too. That way, the only immigrants coming in will only be skilled and highly skilled laborers that can compete against us for good paying American jobs, instead of unskilled laborers that can only do crap none of the rest of us want to do for minimum wage.

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Originally posted by The_Bonesaw:
I think we should do something like that here in the U.S. too. That way, the only immigrants coming in will only be skilled and highly skilled laborers that can compete against us for good paying American jobs, instead of unskilled laborers that can only do crap none of the rest of us want to do for minimum wage.

dude... those people doing the "crap" none of us want to do have waaaaaay more character than the people that think they're too good for those jobs.

Argh!! Delete my post. BoneSaw I misunderstood you.

Good job UK!

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Originally posted by FortesFortunaJuvat:

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Originally posted by The_Bonesaw:
I think we should do something like that here in the U.S. too. That way, the only immigrants coming in will only be skilled and highly skilled laborers that can compete against us for good paying American jobs, instead of unskilled laborers that can only do crap none of the rest of us want to do for minimum wage.

dude... those people doing the "crap" none of us want to do have waaaaaay more character than the people that think they're too good for those jobs.

BS! If they had character they would not come here illegally. There is not a job an American will not do if the pay is sufficent to feed and clothe his or her children. Stop parroting the BS of people who are happy to break our laws.

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Originally posted by FortesFortunaJuvat:
Argh!! Delete my post. BoneSaw I misunderstood you.

It's cool. I get that a lot.

I think it's because people initially assume I'm being serious instead of realizing that about 95% of all the stuff I spew out is acrimonious sarcasm.

Bravo for the United Kingdom. Couldn't come at a better time.

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Originally posted by R102:

BS! If they had character they would not come here illegally. There is not a job an American will not do if the pay is sufficent to feed and clothe his or her children. Stop parroting the BS of people who are happy to break our laws.

So, just for our own edification... exactly how many Hispanic people do you work with every day?

How many do you drink beer with on the weekends up in Ohio?

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Originally posted by The_Bonesaw:

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Originally posted by R102:

BS! If they had character they would not come here illegally. There is not a job an American will not do if the pay is sufficent to feed and clothe his or her children. Stop parroting the BS of people who are happy to break our laws.

So, just for our own edification... exactly how many Hispanic people do you work with every day?

How many do you drink beer with on the weekends up in Ohio?

I have worked with quite a number in the past. Drank beer with lots. But they were here legally. Go figure. I never said shite about hispanics but funny how you did. Guess in your world only hispanics come to the US illegally.

By they way how many Mongolians or Russians from St Petersburg have you drank with? How many Australians from the Rocks district have you worked with and how many New Zealanders from Frasertown have you played rugby with? Yes stupid irrelevant questions like you asked.

I did not know you were the spokes person for all the people on this board bonesaw. I am impressed.

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How many do you drink beer with on the weekends up in Ohio?

None. I can't understand what they are saying.

Then again, i can't understand what any drunk is saying half the time.

Kudos to the pale tea drinkers overseas.

How you doing armycop

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Originally posted by R102:
How you doing armycop

Heart's beating and my lungs seem to work. So i guess i'm doing pretty good. Thanks for asking.

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Originally posted by AKinNC:
I think that the welfare system in the UK is considerably more lax than in the states. That so, Fletch? I seem to recall that if someone can make it into the country, they basically get a handout and a place to live courtesty of the UK taxpayer.

I think a better way of halting unwanted immigration is to severely limit who gets public assistance and for how long. Just showing up with my hat in my hand should not equal a free meal ticket and a place to live. Your 'wanted' immigrants are going to be those who already speak the language, have a valuable skill to give to the host country, and who are able to support themselves and their families.

The welfare system in this country has been very lax of late courtesy of a Labour government (Democrats to you lot), however even this government is having to face up to the British publics dislike for sponging illegal immigrants and this is just the start of it.

The next thing will be a tightening of thing like the welfare system, the government has to do something it has been just stupid in the UK lately.


Cry Haddock! Let slip the Cod of War! Captain Birdseye.

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Originally posted by SGTBJH:
Boy! I guess that leaves us U.S. out in the cold. We'uns all tawlk Redneck English!

Ya'll talk 'Americun' not the Queens English at all.


Cry Haddock! Let slip the Cod of War! Captain Birdeye.

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Originally posted by Fletch238:

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Originally posted by SGTBJH:
Boy! I guess that leaves us U.S. out in the cold. We'uns all tawlk Redneck English!

Ya'll talk 'Americun' not the Queens English at all.


Cry Haddock! Let slip the Cod of War! Captain Birdeye.

And thank God for it! I can't understand a lick of what a Brit says, either. Might as well be speaking French.

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Originally posted by Fletch238:

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Originally posted by AKinNC:
I think that the welfare system in the UK is considerably more lax than in the states. That so, Fletch? I seem to recall that if someone can make it into the country, they basically get a handout and a place to live courtesty of the UK taxpayer.

I think a better way of halting unwanted immigration is to severely limit who gets public assistance and for how long. Just showing up with my hat in my hand should not equal a free meal ticket and a place to live. Your 'wanted' immigrants are going to be those who already speak the language, have a valuable skill to give to the host country, and who are able to support themselves and their families.

The welfare system in this country has been very lax of late courtesy of a Labour government (Democrats to you lot), however even this government is having to face up to the British publics dislike for sponging illegal immigrants and this is just the start of it.

The next thing will be a tightening of thing like the welfare system, the government has to do something it has been just stupid in the UK lately.


Cry Haddock! Let slip the Cod of War! Captain Birdseye.

Last time I was in the UK there were busloads of Polish people coming in to work.

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Originally posted by AKinNC:

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Originally posted by Fletch238:

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Originally posted by AKinNC:
I think that the welfare system in the UK is considerably more lax than in the states. That so, Fletch? I seem to recall that if someone can make it into the country, they basically get a handout and a place to live courtesty of the UK taxpayer.

I think a better way of halting unwanted immigration is to severely limit who gets public assistance and for how long. Just showing up with my hat in my hand should not equal a free meal ticket and a place to live. Your 'wanted' immigrants are going to be those who already speak the language, have a valuable skill to give to the host country, and who are able to support themselves and their families.

The welfare system in this country has been very lax of late courtesy of a Labour government (Democrats to you lot), however even this government is having to face up to the British publics dislike for sponging illegal immigrants and this is just the start of it.

The next thing will be a tightening of thing like the welfare system, the government has to do something it has been just stupid in the UK lately.


Cry Haddock! Let slip the Cod of War! Captain Birdseye.

Last time I was in the UK there were busloads of Polish people coming in to work.

What can I say! I have already answered, times are a changing, nothing stays the same. When you were here last time I do not know when that was, there are still bus loads of Polish coming into the country, but not for much longer, read the news links provided at the beginning of this thread is my advice.

Cry Haddock! Let slip the Cod of War! Captain Birdseye.

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Originally posted by FortesFortunaJuvat:
I don't see the point of forcing someone to learn English. Speak whatever you want. just don't get mad when you can't find a job or make the money you want to.

They can't integrate into the indigenous society if they don't speak the primary language, . . . and it is symbolic.

More than symbolic, I don't want a perminant underclass seperated by language or anything else.

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Originally posted by FortesFortunaJuvat:
I don't see the point of forcing someone to learn English. Speak whatever you want. just don't get mad when you can't find a job or make the money you want to.

This may be the only thing you and I will ever agree on.

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Originally posted by SgtSchaeffersMom:

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Originally posted by FortesFortunaJuvat:
I don't see the point of forcing someone to learn English. Speak whatever you want. just don't get mad when you can't find a job or make the money you want to.

They can't integrate into the indigenous society if they don't speak the primary language, . . . and it is symbolic.

I can move to Tokyo with little knowledge on Japanese and get buy just fine.

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Originally posted by FortesFortunaJuvat:

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Originally posted by SgtSchaeffersMom:

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Originally posted by FortesFortunaJuvat:
I don't see the point of forcing someone to learn English. Speak whatever you want. just don't get mad when you can't find a job or make the money you want to.

They can't integrate into the indigenous society if they don't speak the primary language, . . . and it is symbolic.

I can move to Tokyo with little knowledge on Japanese and get buy just fine.

But you will not be able to enter and live in the UK, unless you can speak English and that is the point of this thread.


Cry Haddock! Let slip the Cod of War! Captain Birdseye.