Huh? never thought of it like that before....

Guess Hellary will get the Army CoE right on that...

LOL!Jefferson is what you would call a Democrat, though they called it Republican Democrats (To reflect the true nature of our Government) Later they just dropped "Republican" which the rump of the Whig party later adopted.

Jefferson a conservative??? no no no.The original flower child.

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Originally posted by scottrj50:
Jefferson a conservative??? no no no.The original flower child.

No, you're thinking about William Jefferson, the soon-to-be felon.

Yes and Lincoln was a dedicated conservative....

Ok I'll bite why aren't there any???

Yep. We all know how very conservative Teddy Roosevelt
was.

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Originally posted by dmuhler:
Yes and Lincoln was a dedicated conservative....

Ok I'll bite why aren't there any???

"because Republicans like to be stoned" .

The remaining rock space to the left is for Clinton.

Right now, there are three surveyor's.....and one other guy!

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Originally posted by USAF_76_2_80:
Yep. We all know how very conservative Teddy Roosevelt
was.

no that was fdr that married his 3rd cousin...

Uh, Thomas Jefferson was a founder of the Democratic Party, and at least three of those Presidents would almost certainly be Democrats if they were alive today.

And if I invented a Time machine I could be the Red Baron, Jefferson wasnt a Democrat while he was President, Historical Revisionism aside....

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Originally posted by liberal90:
Uh, Thomas Jefferson was a founder of the Democratic Party, and at least three of those Presidents would almost certainly be Democrats if they were alive today.

yea so you want to think so... read about Lincoln and how he handled people who opposed the war....

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Originally posted by outlaws93:

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Originally posted by USAF_76_2_80:
Yep. We all know how very conservative Teddy Roosevelt
was.

no that was fdr that married his 3rd cousin...

Do you know much about TR?

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Originally posted by USAF_76_2_80:

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Originally posted by outlaws93:

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Originally posted by USAF_76_2_80:
Yep. We all know how very conservative Teddy Roosevelt
was.

no that was fdr that married his 3rd cousin...

Do you know much about TR?

hell he is my faviorate president....i dont recall him marring his 3rd cousin... that was franklin...

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Originally posted by outlaws93:

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Originally posted by USAF_76_2_80:

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Originally posted by outlaws93:

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Originally posted by USAF_76_2_80:
Yep. We all know how very conservative Teddy Roosevelt
was.

no that was fdr that married his 3rd cousin...

Do you know much about TR?

hell he is my faviorate president....i dont recall him marring his 3rd cousin... that was franklin...

Was TR conservative?

FDR wasn't breaking any laws, even Biblical ones.
He had sons that went on to serve in the Military, one was even a Marine Raider.

Think about this, outlaw:

If you believe in Adam and Eve, then that makes everyone COUSINS

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Originally posted by liberal90:
Uh, Thomas Jefferson was a founder of the Democratic Party, and at least three of those Presidents would almost certainly be Democrats if they were alive today.

Because you know exactly what long dead Presidents would think, huh? Ok, seawitch jr.

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If you believe in Adam and Eve, then that makes everyone COUSINS

Oh-oh. Time for you to go here. We're waiting for you.

But you already knew that.

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though they called it Republican Democrats

Republican party was CREATED in 1854.

"Republican democrat" or correctly put Democrat-Republican party lasted all of 3 decades and was the brain child of Jefferson amd Madison and had absolutely NO relation to the other parties individually. Democrat party (social liberalism) of today was founded 1824.

For the socialists to sit here and go and go about Craig is the heighth of hypocrisy since socialists aka dems have advocated all manner of perversion for 200 years in this country.

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Originally posted by IzzyBizzy:

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though they called it Republican Democrats

Republican party was CREATED in 1854.

"Republican democrat" or correctly put Democrat-Republican party lasted all of 3 decades and was the brain child of Jefferson amd Madison and had absolutely NO relation to the other parties individually. Democrat party (social liberalism) of today was founded 1824.

For the socialists to sit here and go and go about Craig is the heighth of hypocrisy since socialists aka dems have advocated all manner of perversion for 200 years in this country.

truth really hurts, don't it?

yes cousins with the same family name... dont give me we are all cousins crap thats not what i am talking about... i am talking about real same family name cousins... cousins you would meet at family reunions... and teddy wasnt a friend of big business not like many gops are today.... he wasnt a conservative as they are today.... but one dosent have to be a conservative to be a rep...

If the founding fathers would have known what 'open-mindedness' would eventually do to this country hundreds of years later, they would have all been staunch conservatives. Even past Democrats would be in horror of what is allowed in society today. I don't even need to be the all-knowing seawitch to be sure of that.

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Originally posted by armycop91:
If the founding fathers would have known what 'open-mindedness' would eventually do to this country hundreds of years later, they would have all been staunch conservatives. Even past Democrats would be in horror of what is allowed in society today. I don't even need to be the all-knowing seawitch to be sure of that.

What, pray tell, has "Open-mindedness" done to destroy the Republic?

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Originally posted by USAF_76_2_80:

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Originally posted by armycop91:
If the founding fathers would have known what 'open-mindedness' would eventually do to this country hundreds of years later, they would have all been staunch conservatives. Even past Democrats would be in horror of what is allowed in society today. I don't even need to be the all-knowing seawitch to be sure of that.

What, pray tell, has "Open-mindedness" done to destroy the Republic?

A better question might be; What hasn't it done to destroy the country? The decay of morals, the destruction of the family, the consent to openly gay everything, the lack of discipline to illegal immigrants and criminals, the vast waste of taxpayer money to support the lazy and the manipulative....I could go on.

'Liberal'. definition: A person so open-minded that their brain slid out of their heads.

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Originally posted by armycop91:

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Originally posted by USAF_76_2_80:

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Originally posted by armycop91:
If the founding fathers would have known what 'open-mindedness' would eventually do to this country hundreds of years later, they would have all been staunch conservatives. Even past Democrats would be in horror of what is allowed in society today. I don't even need to be the all-knowing seawitch to be sure of that.

What, pray tell, has "Open-mindedness" done to destroy the Republic?

A better question might be; What hasn't it done to destroy the country? The decay of morals, the destruction of the family, the consent to openly gay everything, the lack of discipline to illegal immigrants and criminals, the vast waste of taxpayer money to support the lazy and the manipulative....I could go on.

'Liberal'. definition: A person so open-minded that their brain slid out of their heads.

So, the alternative is better? A society closed to new ideas, intolerant and repressive? Was George Orwell's vision of 1984 the right way we should have followed?
Maybe you think societies like Iran (religious conservative, theocratic) are better?

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The decay of morals, the destruction of the family

Hmmm, what group seems to have the most trouble when it comes to walking the walk, from all their talk? How many "Moral" political leaders have been divorced? How many condemn gays in public, but act gay in private (or not so private, like in restrooms?)

Looks to me like your examples have feet of clay....

wow af man you have been buying too many of them conspiracy stories...

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Originally posted by outlaws93:
yes cousins with the same family name... dont give me we are all cousins crap thats not what i am talking about... i am talking about real same family name cousins... cousins you would meet at family reunions... and teddy wasnt a friend of big business not like many gops are today.... he wasnt a conservative as they are today.... but one dosent have to be a conservative to be a rep...

Teddy was an anti-big business environmentalist who expanded government authority, believed in human evolution, encouraged the hiring of minorities and women in government, and was pro-Union.


Sounds like a Democrat to me.

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So, the alternative is better? A society closed to new ideas, intolerant and repressive? Was George Orwell's vision of 1984 the right way we should have followed?

Our devolving began only about 40 or so years ago. Prior to that new ideas were embraced about as much as they are today(or we would never have progressed to the point that we did back then). Repressive? What an overused and weak term that i still hear spilling from ignorant mouths on a daily basis at work. Any kind of order, morals, codes of conduct, or civilization as a whole for that matter is going to offend someone, or 'repress' someone from doing exactly as they please regardless of circumstances. Liberals spend all their time attempting to make it where anyone can do anything at any time for any reason with no consequences or responsibilities, while subsequently destroying the very foundation of any type of civilization left.

I won't even bother with your other lame comment.

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Originally posted by outlaws93:
wow af man you have been buying too many of them conspiracy stories...

What does that have to do with the price of beans, outlaw?

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So, the alternative is better? A society closed to new ideas, intolerant and repressive? Was George Orwell's vision of 1984 the right way we should have followed?

well to say that is the only alternative.... come on is that the only one???