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Originally posted by GunnyRet03:

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Originally posted by MightyB:

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The subject WASN'T about contracts or lobbyist monies, it was about immigration. Don't try and cloud the issue.

I was responding to the totally legal. by the book post that was made. "They are criminals" statement. If that is the only criteria for disavowing them, then I just stated that we should also disavow a lot of Washiington.

To clarify my position; No I am not for open borders. What grabs my attention more than anything is the vitrial thrown at these people. And no, not all of them, because I don't want more criminals coming here. We have enough of our own to deal with.

On the other hand though, it is impossible to round up all of the millions of these people who are imbeded within our society all across this country. So I say stop the influx first and then if and when someone breaks the law, deport them. To actively seek out illegals will be the same wasted money as is the war on drugs and prostitution. We have to realize that we are not going to stop certain things even with the most active enforcement. Criminals will be criminals and will eventually get caught. I just believe we have better things to spend our tax dollars on.

MB, where have you been? 95% of the anti illegals peeps here are for attrition/self deportation of the masses of illegals. Of course the more the criminal the faster the deportation. And an actual border fence all of these things when actual enforement to include states will force them out of the country. That is the way to do this

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I know people who have been waiting since the 1980's for the citizenship process to be completed. Surely, we can do better than that. It doesn't excuse those who sneak in, but if legal processes are this way, I can understand the desire to skirt the law, at least.

Well I have 4 naturalized citizens in my family that had to travel across an ocean legally. Not one waited 20yrs. I find people all the time saying that this and that person have been waiting decades for citizenship. Frankly they're lying. If it took that long 1. They have issues with their bios and investigations. 2. They have been here isnce the 80's but didnt bother filing until tha last couple of yrs. Now the process is slow, but usually within 2yrs of filing for citizenship it happens, and you can only do that after you are a legal resident for a number of yrs. Also, if you're trying to apply for an immigrant vise from abroad it could take decades depending on what country you are applying at. And that is no justification for people to come illegally. There is no right to immigrate here. Furthermore any amnesty will put all those people who applied legally at the back of the line. And that isnt fair! All these people that ask wherte your heart is, thats where it is for the people who do it legally!

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Originally posted by sweetsuds:

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Originally posted by GunnyRet03:

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Originally posted by MightyB:

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The subject WASN'T about contracts or lobbyist monies, it was about immigration. Don't try and cloud the issue.

I was responding to the totally legal. by the book post that was made. "They are criminals" statement. If that is the only criteria for disavowing them, then I just stated that we should also disavow a lot of Washiington.

To clarify my position; No I am not for open borders. What grabs my attention more than anything is the vitrial thrown at these people. And no, not all of them, because I don't want more criminals coming here. We have enough of our own to deal with.

On the other hand though, it is impossible to round up all of the millions of these people who are imbeded within our society all across this country. So I say stop the influx first and then if and when someone breaks the law, deport them. To actively seek out illegals will be the same wasted money as is the war on drugs and prostitution. We have to realize that we are not going to stop certain things even with the most active enforcement. Criminals will be criminals and will eventually get caught. I just believe we have better things to spend our tax dollars on.

MB, where have you been? 95% of the anti illegals peeps here are for attrition/self deportation of the masses of illegals. Of course the more the criminal the faster the deportation. And an actual border fence all of these things when actual enforement to include states will force them out of the country. That is the way to do this

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I know people who have been waiting since the 1980's for the citizenship process to be completed. Surely, we can do better than that. It doesn't excuse those who sneak in, but if legal processes are this way, I can understand the desire to skirt the law, at least.

Well I have 4 naturalized citizens in my family that had to travel across an ocean legally. Not one waited 20yrs. I find people all the time saying that this and that person have been waiting decades for citizenship. Frankly they're lying. If it took that long 1. They have issues with their bios and investigations. 2. They have been here isnce the 80's but didnt bother filing until tha last couple of yrs. Now the process is slow, but usually within 2yrs of filing for citizenship it happens, and you can only do that after you are a legal resident for a number of yrs. Also, if you're trying to apply for an immigrant vise from abroad it could take decades depending on what country you are applying at. And that is no justification for people to come illegally. There is no right to immigrate here. Furthermore any amnesty will put all those people who applied legally at the back of the line. And that isnt fair! All these people that ask wherte your heart is, thats where it is for the people who do it legally!

Gunny, I'm speaking specifically of folk who applied while abroad, as they did not want to risk coming here until they did get the "all clear". They have relatives who are here, but not relatives close enough or wealthy enough to be considered sponsors. I'm not saying it happens all the time. I'm not saying it's justification for coming here illegally. I'm saying we could do better, and be more efficient.

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Originally posted by sweetsuds:

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Originally posted by GunnyRet03:

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Originally posted by MightyB:

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The subject WASN'T about contracts or lobbyist monies, it was about immigration. Don't try and cloud the issue.

I was responding to the totally legal. by the book post that was made. "They are criminals" statement. If that is the only criteria for disavowing them, then I just stated that we should also disavow a lot of Washiington.

To clarify my position; No I am not for open borders. What grabs my attention more than anything is the vitrial thrown at these people. And no, not all of them, because I don't want more criminals coming here. We have enough of our own to deal with.

On the other hand though, it is impossible to round up all of the millions of these people who are imbeded within our society all across this country. So I say stop the influx first and then if and when someone breaks the law, deport them. To actively seek out illegals will be the same wasted money as is the war on drugs and prostitution. We have to realize that we are not going to stop certain things even with the most active enforcement. Criminals will be criminals and will eventually get caught. I just believe we have better things to spend our tax dollars on.

MB, where have you been? 95% of the anti illegals peeps here are for attrition/self deportation of the masses of illegals. Of course the more the criminal the faster the deportation. And an actual border fence all of these things when actual enforement to include states will force them out of the country. That is the way to do this

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I know people who have been waiting since the 1980's for the citizenship process to be completed. Surely, we can do better than that. It doesn't excuse those who sneak in, but if legal processes are this way, I can understand the desire to skirt the law, at least.

Well I have 4 naturalized citizens in my family that had to travel across an ocean legally. Not one waited 20yrs. I find people all the time saying that this and that person have been waiting decades for citizenship. Frankly they're lying. If it took that long 1. They have issues with their bios and investigations. 2. They have been here isnce the 80's but didnt bother filing until tha last couple of yrs. Now the process is slow, but usually within 2yrs of filing for citizenship it happens, and you can only do that after you are a legal resident for a number of yrs. Also, if you're trying to apply for an immigrant vise from abroad it could take decades depending on what country you are applying at. And that is no justification for people to come illegally. There is no right to immigrate here. Furthermore any amnesty will put all those people who applied legally at the back of the line. And that isnt fair! All these people that ask wherte your heart is, thats where it is for the people who do it legally!

Gunny, I'm speaking specifically of folk who applied while abroad, as they did not want to risk coming here until they did get the "all clear". They have relatives who are here, but not relatives close enough or wealthy enough to be considered sponsors. I'm not saying it happens all the time. I'm not saying it's justification for coming here illegally. I'm saying we could do better, and be more efficient.