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Super Member |
actually they do... freedom of religion is one of them,.... we are free to choose whatever religion we want to worship and that bothers them... also women has freedom to be an equal to men.... but yea the islamofascist do hate our freedoms... to say they dont is ignorant....  |
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Experienced Member |
No argument there. But it would seem that only Obama has a clue what to do. And its all bravado. So it would seem that everyone running for president will be equally ineffective unless ole Obama makes good on his promise. But if he's not willing to go nuclear I don't see him really doing it. |
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No they don't. It just doesn't make sense when you think about it, that is if you do think about it. Why all the problems in Iraq? Their free aren't they?  Give me a break.. |
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There are times when I completely disagree with you, ranger and then there are moments that make me take pause and agree with you. That was an excellent POV and I  you.Well said, aco.  JMHO, I could be wrong... |
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Super Member |
dude think about it a little bit.... they are free in iraq well trying to be but the islamofascist are trying their best to destabilize iraq... the islamofascist do not like our brand of freedoms not freedom of speach not religion not womens right to be an equal to men nothing it all goes against their religious teachings..... |
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Member |
That Israeli lobby must be doing one hell of a job trying to stir up enough fear over Iran that people are actually talking about a Nuclear Exchange....ITS IRAN!!...not exactly a military powerhouse.. If the danger is so imminent and important we should have no problem getting every last member of NATO fully behind military action....but of course their populations are not as gullible as those in America..... Its a bunch of garbage.. |
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Super Member |
no actually it is china that is giving us a bunch of info about iran... damn man your anti-Israel is showing.... dont be so hateful towards our ally like that.... |
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Experienced Member |
I was not referring to Iran and nor was Obama. Think Afghanistan's Southern and very nuclear armed neighbor.. |
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Basic Training |
Dudes and those mistaken as dudes...
I think the issue here is a muddling of terms. Islamofacist (not really an academic term) in this context is probably referring to Islamic Fundamentalism. Incidentally, Muslim clerics do not like the term "fundamental" as it has origins in the Christian faith. A true Muslim never strayed from the true nature of Islam, so fundamentalism would be a moot point. Anyways, Islamic Fundamentalism espouses the return to basic tenets and beliefs of the religion...which in the case of the Saudi Wahhabi terrorist groups, Al-Qaeda, et. al, means that the Muslim world in its entirety (and eventually the whole world) should be ruled under the puritanical strictures of Shari'a. One such tenet is: no soveriegn but Allah...meaning, freedom of governance is "polytheistic" which goes against the exclusive soveriegn rule of Allah (known as "hakiyima")... so, to sum it up...yes, the radical, Islamist ideology of these terrorist groups do hate the freedoms we enjoy. That is not to say moderate Muslims hate our freedoms...no, they rather like them. |
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Lets pretend for one moment that Iran was a threat to say the Caspian nations, do you REALLY think we would have people in America talking about a Nuclear response to protect them? Iran does not need to be reminded about a Nuclear response because they are fully aware of Israels illegal Nuclear Weapons... I don't know the politics involved, and the strategic mumbo jumbo....What I do know is the LAST thing we need to do is attack Iran unless they do something terrible and stupid to either the US or Israel first... It seems to me that once again we are standing alone on what certain groups are pushing as a "Global problem".... |
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Super Member |
so ok you dont think iran training and sending troops to iraq to help out the terrorist we are fighting isnt a threat???? and who said anything about nukes??? you can bomb the crap out of them with out nukes.... geee |
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Thats what makes this situation so laughable. Pakistan is probably more unstable than Iran yet they are trusted with Nuclear weapons? What makes them any more different than Iran? Whats to stop some radicals from taking over the Country? Iran is a problem because Israel hates the idea of not being the "Top Dog" in the Middle East anymore if Iran goes Nuclear. Its all about power and influence....Not defense. |
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Experienced Member |
I don't think it has anything to do with trust. It has more to do with conveniance. The US is in bed with them because they are supposedly helping us with the WOT and Afghanistan. Problem is that half their country is currently the major forward operating base for both the Taliban and Al Quida. If oyu want to get Al Quida and win the WOT your either going to have to convince Pakistan to win it for you (doesn't appear to be happening) or your gonna have to go over their heads. Do the later and your risking a nuclear exchange. So what do you do? |
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Okay so Iran is fighting a proxy war against the US, some might say Israel is fighting a proxy war against Iran through the US(with our cooperation).... I just don't get how you can expect a Nation to just roll over on its back and lick our feet. |
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Super Member |
pak hasnt come out stating that any other country shall be wipped off the face of the earth like iran has... |
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Super Member |
proxy?? no they have actual troops on the ground.... and Israel is actually fighting iran through hamas and hezbolia in which are iran back groups trained funded by iran.... |
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Member |
Well, had we committed all of our resources in Afghanistan instead of Iraq would we really be talking about this? Ahh, what if  I just don't see how it would get Nuclear, its not like we're trying to take OVER pakistan or do anything to the general population so why would they get that pissed?? |
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Experienced Member |
Starting to sound like Rumsfield with his "They'll welcome us with Flowers" on that last one.. As for coulda woulda shoulda. Lets live in the here and now. We have no idea what would have happened but we know exactly where we are today. To destroy Al Quida will require something big happening in Pakistan. How do you deal with that? You don't believe they will defend themselves against an armed invassion by the US even if it is just targeted raids? I think you need a dose of reality Mr Rumsfield. |
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