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every who will want to hide truth in the name of political correctness - will have to look into his eyes.




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M...ana_Jenkins_Pietrzak

because nothing is ever racially motivated unless it is done by a white male.

So ... do you have a point to this post of a 6 month old event? Or is it ... pointless?

For the recorded, I hope that, if convicted, CA expedites its turtle-slow application of the death penalty.

no
its NOT 6 months old " e v e n t "
- it wasnt Las Vegas event

its a TRUE story , always actual - not only becouse mother of srg.Pietrzak wrote a second letter to President Obama last week.

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The hell it isn't ... the link you posted is dated 5 Feb 09. Wiki link wasn't much better.

I wrote a letter to Obama today. So what?

Again, what is the point of this thread that I am supposed to be agreeing with ... or counterpointing?

Qwert : "I hope that, if convicted, CA expedites its turtle-slow application of the death penalty."

" death penalty " ? unfortun. its not so obvious
becouse of first investig. fatal opinion about predatory reasons of murder

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I_M_Qwerty

I wrote a letter to Obama today. So what?

great
congrat.
letter in what matter ?
so that black drivers of buses in Chicago wait as late white passenger runs ?

Sordid details involving torture and rape are routinely withheld from press releases. It's none of the public's business to know every detail of what transpired during a victim's last moments.

I participated in a murder trial where I decided case integrity was more important than what family members felt. The most important persons to convince are jury members and not media hounds or others. It's a tough business but press releases are not like public libraries. It will never change.

As I see it, the original post is by a single-issue guy. He has an agenda, according to the items he finds interesting to talk about. Catcher, aka Jordan L, with no obvious military connection listed in his profile, invades these boards to spread hatred against blacks. Why?

He is also not familiar with English, or is it me?


SaraSnipe out

To the point of the thread. I'm not clear why the DA and the Sherrif's department has stated that there is no evidence that this was racially motivate, while emphasizing that robbery was their only motive.

According to the article, shortly before the attack, Lance Corporal Emrys John posted this one his MySpace page: "Chillin waitin 4 da killin". This would seem to indicate that the motive for attacking the Pietrzaks was pre-meditated murder. What I want to know is - considering John's comment, how did the police and the D.A. make the leap that robbery was the motive?

Pietrzak's mother also makes an excellent point - "If it was a robbery, why didn't they come when nobody was home instead of in the dead of night, armed to the teeth?"

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Originally posted by scpd3045:

Sordid details involving torture and rape are routinely withheld from press releases. It's none of the public's business to know every detail of what transpired during a victim's last moments.

No one is asking for the sordid details. Plus, it seems that the press already knows and has passed on plenty.

I think what the family is asking for is that these monsters are brought to the public light for their true motivations, which the family deserves. However, it seems that the D.A. is trying to sweep the racial charge under the rug for the apparent reason of keeping the public from going crazy about a charge of racism (this, I believe, is the motive of the Riverside County District Attorney's office). Don't forget that this is Southern California and the memory of the aftermath of the Rodney King trial is not lost on these people.

I think Bonesaw it spot on. This was a racially motivated murder and because it doesn't fit a certain agenda, Media or LE, they are sweeping it under the radar. tHIS IS bs of course, folks nneed to know that racism goes in every direction, not just white on minority.

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Originally posted by The_Bonesaw:

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Originally posted by scpd3045:

Sordid details involving torture and rape are routinely withheld from press releases. It's none of the public's business to know every detail of what transpired during a victim's last moments.

No one is asking for the sordid details. Plus, it seems that the press already knows and has passed on plenty.

I think what the family is asking for is that these monsters are brought to the public light for their true motivations, which the family deserves. However, it seems that the D.A. is trying to sweep the racial charge under the rug for the apparent reason of keeping the public from going crazy about a charge of racism (this, I believe, is the motive of the Riverside County District Attorney's office). Don't forget that this is Southern California and the memory of the aftermath of the Rodney King trial is not lost on these people.

Just because a crime occurs between races, doesn't mean a hate crime exists. These are additional-motivational elements that have to be proven to a jury. Suggesting the DA is amiss with this says ordinary posters here know the DA's job better than he does. If this is already a capital case the additional factors are mum, however hate crimes are usually determined through successful interview and interrogation techniques and evidence left at scenes.

The family members are free to disclose what they want even though most feel the same way I do. Press sources often get their information by sitting in at public hearings and trials which is fair game in an ugly world, but LE sources will not confirm or deny these details. Our responsibilities do not include filling in this information except while in court and under a subpoena.

Looking back at my posts they appear to be inflammatory. Sorry if I presented that tone. I'm here to learn things and this isn't achieved by always agreeing with one another.

All cold beverages are on me today!

Somebody mentioned a trial in California that brought a controversial verdict. Well that's in the Bill of Rights. It's more important to let 100 guilty men go free than it is to convict an innocent man. These are the rules we live by.

I've been a police officer and supervisor for over 30 years. We do not make decisions based on the possibility of cases being dismissed in court or the potential of getting sued. If 99 similar cases were already thrown out, we go ahead with number 100. I have faith in the system which includes the DA in this awful case. He/ she knows what they're doing and should be supported. As far as the race element a black woman was killed too, which may be a factor the DA has to consider in trail preparation.

The hate crime aspect to me isn't an important factor in this case. Ordinarily a crime classified as such is increased 1 level of seriousness. Since this is already a death penalty or life without parole case, there's no extra punishment that could be added on.

My state had a similar inequity for many years before it was recently corrected by the Legislature. With the elimination of the death penalty the maximum sentence for Murder 1st Degree was the same as Murder 2nd; 25 years imprisonment. However there was still 2 additional elements to prove to get to the 1st degree conviction.

Murder 2:
1) Intend death.
2) Cause death.

Murder 1st
1) Intend death.
2) Cause death.
3) To a protected class of person or during extra ordinary circumstances.
4) Knowingly aware this person was protected at the time or the required circumstances existed.

The case involved a police officer protecting a witness. He was shot to death while in his car at about 4 am. If the defense suggested the cop may have been napping the entire case would've been in jeopardy. Since the penalty was the same our DA said it wasn't worth fighting for the 1st degree conviction. Now we have an amended law that puts someone convicted of 1st degree in prison for life without parole.

this reminds of the trial going on in knoxville, tn at this moment of the four black people, 3 males, 1 female, on triel for murdering a young white couple. they refue to call it a racial crime for some reason.

Blane, we suspect it is but trials are based on clear and convincing evidence; not suspicions. This evidence can come from many different means, but it has to be powerful enough to convince jurors and eventually appellate courts.

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Originally posted by Tomcatt:
because nothing is ever racially motivated unless it is done by a white male.

Ain't that the darn truth. Had it been the other way around, it would be all over cnn.

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Originally posted by mnoble1066:

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Originally posted by Tomcatt:
because nothing is ever racially motivated unless it is done by a white male.

Ain't that the darn truth. Had it been the other way around, it would be all over cnn.

I think this hits on the nature of the OP and I believe it to be a sad fact. HAD it been the other way around, Al Sharpton and Rev. Jesse Jackson would already be planning the protests.

As bad as this is, this case is NOTHING compared to the case in Knoxville Tennessee, where a group of African Americans raped and tortured (for a few DAYS) a WHITE couple then killed them....Yet this is also kept quiet by the media....Somehow the aforementioned crime is NOT a hate crime...

Duane A. Brinson Key West, Fl.
U.S.M.C. 1985-1989

"In the face of terrorism and murder; the call for peace is NOT patriotic, it's COWARDICE"

And that there just proves the point again. Very sad.

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Originally posted by Proudformermarine:
As bad as this is, this case is NOTHING compared to the case in Knoxville Tennessee, where a group of African Americans raped and tortured (for a few DAYS) a WHITE couple then killed them....Yet this is also kept quiet by the media....Somehow the aforementioned crime is NOT a hate crime...

Duane A. Brinson Key West, Fl.
U.S.M.C. 1985-1989

"In the face of terrorism and murder; the call for peace is NOT patriotic, it's COWARDICE"

they did find the first one guilty, he received life without parole, unfortunately, he is filing an appeal,
(http://www.wate.com/Global/story.asp?S=10984873)

his lwayers had the balls to say latalvis was a coward and afriad of his half brother to say anything or try to stop this, but when it came out in court that he had the girl perform oral sex in exchange for him to release her, but instead he tied her back up, in my opion, he should have gotten the death penalty, and texas style, not spend 20-30 yrs on skid row and keep filing appeals.

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I.where are you now Mr.President Jimmy Carter with your comments ... ? you great specialist of racism ??




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Yeah...I kinda wonder where the national hemmeroid is on matters like this as well as the professional media race hacks.......