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Eight years after the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks, the U.S. is still in "terrible shape" in the fight against terrorism, former CIA counterterrorism expert Michael Scheuer tells Newsmax.

Scheuer also said President Barack Obama "doesn't have a clue" about the realities of world terrorism.

"Mister Bush never sent enough people to Afghanistan, and very clearly as the situation has gotten worse Mister Obama does not intend to send enough people either.

"The reason we don't have him I think is simply we don’t have enough troops on the ground to find him and he's living in a place that has the highest mountains on earth."

Walter asked if the U.S. is safer or more vulnerable eight years after the 9/11 attacks.

"I think we would be hard put to say we're much safer than we were in 2001," Scheuer responded.

"We still don’t have an idea of where our enemy is. We're clearly on the defensive in Afghanistan. And if you step back and take a bigger look at the world, there are terrorists now being produced in places where there were no insurgencies back in 2001 — Somalia, Yemen, Mindanao in the Philippines.

"I think we owe the Bush administration a vote of thanks for doing they thought was best to do in America's interests," Scheuer said.

"I was a severe critic of what they did because they didn’t do enough, but I never had any doubt in my mind that they were really intent on defending America. I thought they did it inadequately but I thought they intended to do it.

"The current administration has undercut virtually everything Mister Bush established and used to fight terrorism, as insufficient as that was. Mister Obama has dismantled virtually all of it without replacing it with anything.

"http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/scheuer_obama_al_qaida/2009/09/10/258719.html"

A few weeks ago, Obama said that victory is not the goal in Afghanistan, because victory sounds like signing a treaty. Then, what is the strategy? Does this Administration even have a strategy for success in Afghanistan?

BO has been clueless from Day 1 regarding terror.

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Originally posted by Boospar:
BO has been clueless from Day 1 regarding terror.

No surprise there.

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"We still don’t have an idea of where our enemy is. We're clearly on the defensive in Afghanistan. And if you step back and take a bigger look at the world, there are terrorists now being produced in places where there were no insurgencies back in 2001 — Somalia, Yemen, Mindanao in the Philippines.

Yeah.

Somalia was a warm and fuzzy place in January of 1993 when 35,000 US Troops arrived to...play golf with the locals?

The Cole was bombed (in Yemen) on October of 2000. That attack came from what...a tea party?

Muslim insurgency on Mindanao? That's really recent. America had troops in there before 1900. The terror attacks within that country have gone on for decades.

Scah-rew a bunch of experts who use the deaths of thousands on 9/11 to make political hay. Looks to me like this azz probably knows as much about A-Stan as he does about the Phillipines.

And the same to the morons who think catching or killing OBL will end the GWOT.

I would hope as our CinC Obama does have a clue at the least through those who advise him, but I think it is an uphill fight against his own party to complete the mission!

Michael Scheuer is the douchebag who went on Glenn Beck and stated that the only chance America had was if Osama Bin Laden set off another major attack in the United States (and Beck, naturally agreed).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HtSb7kwTFE&feature=related

Scheuer is also a denier of reports that harsh interrogation techniques were not effective.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhtEBfnWTqQ


Something to consider about Scheuer and his personal "ax" grinding - from '96 through '99 he served as the Chief of the Bin Laden tracking unit (failed to get him) then from '01 to '04 he served as a Chief Advisor for the Bin Laden unit (again, failed to get him). Then he wrote two books about it and put all of the blame for not "getting him" on everybody but himself. Scheuer also believes that the United States has been (and is still being) clandestinely tricked by Israel into fighting for them in the Middle East, he uses examples of the fact that there is a Holocaust Museum here in the U.S. as evidence that we're being surreptitiously coerced with guilt into helping the Israelis (it's all a big conspiracy by the evil Jews).

Scheuer currently writes books for a living (he's written three since 2003), and his primary job now is to get on TV and promote those books (sensationalism sells). It's also interesting that Scheuer is a shameless revisionist (he's done it to his own books whenever it suited his needs). For example... in his first book, Through Our Enemies' Eyes, Scheuer cited several times that he believed Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein cooperated, while, in revised editions of the book, he refutes such connections and blames the whole thing on the incorrect intelligence from which he drew his conclusions (starting to see a pattern here? It's never his fault). Note also that Scheuer talks in the OP article above that he was a "harsh critic" of President Bush at first (didn't do enough), but now he lauds that administration as the only thing that kept us safe.

Michael Scheuer is an opportunist who uses his former CIA credentials as a means for hocking his wares to a thinly targeted audience.

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Originally posted by Kegler300:

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Eight years after the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks, the U.S. is still in "terrible shape" in the fight against terrorism, former CIA counterterrorism expert Michael Scheuer tells Newsmax.

Scheuer also said President Barack Obama "doesn't have a clue" about the realities of world terrorism.

"Mister Bush never sent enough people to Afghanistan, and very clearly as the situation has gotten worse Mister Obama does not intend to send enough people either.

"The reason we don't have him I think is simply we don’t have enough troops on the ground to find him and he's living in a place that has the highest mountains on earth."

Walter asked if the U.S. is safer or more vulnerable eight years after the 9/11 attacks.

"I think we would be hard put to say we're much safer than we were in 2001," Scheuer responded.

"We still don’t have an idea of where our enemy is. We're clearly on the defensive in Afghanistan. And if you step back and take a bigger look at the world, there are terrorists now being produced in places where there were no insurgencies back in 2001 — Somalia, Yemen, Mindanao in the Philippines.

"I think we owe the Bush administration a vote of thanks for doing they thought was best to do in America's interests," Scheuer said.

"I was a severe critic of what they did because they didn’t do enough, but I never had any doubt in my mind that they were really intent on defending America. I thought they did it inadequately but I thought they intended to do it.

"The current administration has undercut virtually everything Mister Bush established and used to fight terrorism, as insufficient as that was. Mister Obama has dismantled virtually all of it without replacing it with anything.

"http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/scheuer_obama_al_qaida/2009/09/10/258719.html"

A few weeks ago, Obama said that victory is not the goal in Afghanistan, because victory sounds like signing a treaty. Then, what is the strategy? Does this Administration even have a strategy for success in Afghanistan?

Too bad Keg. You quote a maroon, you lose credibility. Once again, you and the other baffoons have one mission, not to do anything positive for America, but to discredit President Obama at all costs. You seem to be all about aiding the terrorist these days with comfort and support. Isn't that what happens when you question the war and point out perceived weakness?

I can only wonder why you would want a Republican in office. Didn't the last adminstration F%*&* things up enough for you guys. I guess they didn't cause total destruction which must be the "rights" ultimate goal.

A BRIEF COMMENT ON THE DINNER HELD BY PRESIDENT OBAMA RECENTLY, ON THIS DAY OF SEPTEMBER ELEVENTH 2009

As far as being a Christian Pastor and what all....I think this is a good idea.

Part of the problem we face as Americans is the absorbing into our culture a foriegn way of thinking, that in so many ways we are not even aware of, just how foriegn they are.

Previous immigration waves to our "hallowed shores" have been principally of Christian peoples and some Jews. All aware of each other and just what it was, each believed. Yes I know, there were Hindu's and Sikh's and others, but most had exposure to western thinking in their past.


This is not so with Islamic peoples, especially as we are at war with some of their compatriots.

Like it or lump it, that's the way it is! Yes I know, we didn't ask for, or want such a war that is, by our definition at least, insane!

Well if you think about it, so was the war with Hitler and Japan!! Robbery writ large!!

This war is different, and it remains to be seen if we have the stomach to win it, which I seriously doubt.

A great many think we are at war with Islam, we are not. We are at war with maniacs who see a return to a fourteenth century Caliphate which will bring casualties in millions perhaps before it ends. Hundreds of thousands have already perished, unknown to most, and anything we can do within our own culture to ameliorate the spread of discord, misunderstanding and downright hatred, is to be applauded. Whether that effort is made by Obama, or anyone else.

On this day, understanding what happened to us, and why, is of special importance. I would think, to save the lives of countless others if for no other reason, is reason enough.

September eleventh 2009

Rev. Bruce ......Tawodi.
The People of Abraham, Christian, Muslims and Jews.

As far as whether or not I support Obama....I don't. I loath the direction this country is going after eighty years of protracted class warfare within our society.

A war which by the way we are losing...obviously.

Bush never had a chance of sucess in conducting this war, as they, the democrats, invested early in our defeat to ensure their returning to power, that they had lost in 94. Sad to think that for them to win, we had to lose or damned near lose, a war and thousands of lives isn't it?? In this way they win the argument, this IS like Viet Nam!!

And the lamestream media? When one looks and sees how far behind the curve they are, it's laughable!! We have been talking about things here, that they report on two months after the fact, as if it was news!!

DIDJA ever wonder why that is people?? No I don't gues you have. Keep swallowing the pap and sit back contented!!

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Originally posted by WepsFP:
Too bad Keg. You quote a maroon, you lose credibility. Once again, you and the other baffoons have one mission, not to do anything positive for America, but to discredit President Obama at all costs. You seem to be all about aiding the terrorist these days with comfort and support. Isn't that what happens when you question the war and point out perceived weakness?

Morons and baffoons aside, what is Obama's strategy for success in Afghanistan Weps? Liberals have no credibility when it comes to defense of this nation and fighting wars, so your comments are par for the course.

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Originally posted by Kegler300:

... what is Obama's strategy for success in Afghanistan?

Well, what were the goals to begin with?

1. Get Osama Bin Laden.

2. Remove the Taliban from power.

Let's see now.

A. Bin Laden is no longer there, he's hiding (probably in Pakistan). And we have no better chance of success at catching him there as we did in Afghanistan, so what should we do? Staying in Afghanistan is not going to accomplish his capture - he isn't there.

B. The Taliban were removed, although they've made strides to somewhat recover their strength. It's a partial success, but if Soviet history has taught us anything, we should get out while we can.

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Originally posted by Kegler300:

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Originally posted by WepsFP:
Too bad Keg. You quote a maroon, you lose credibility. Once again, you and the other baffoons have one mission, not to do anything positive for America, but to discredit President Obama at all costs. You seem to be all about aiding the terrorist these days with comfort and support. Isn't that what happens when you question the war and point out perceived weakness?

Morons and baffoons aside, what is Obama's strategy for success in Afghanistan Weps? Liberals have no credibility when it comes to defense of this nation and fighting wars, so your comments are par for the course.

Which party was in power and successfully fought WW1?

Which party was in power and successfully fought WW2?

Which party was in power and bailed during the Korean Conflict?

Which party was in power and bailed on Vietnam?

Which party was in power during the succesful Kosovo War preventing ethic clensing?

Which party started a war with a third world country unecessarily and failed to finish the job?

Which party started a war as a result of terrorist attacks, did half the job, took their eye of the ball and created a nearly unwinnable situation?

You're right, Republicans do a great job at prosecuting a war.

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Which party was in power and successfully fought WW1?

Which party was in power and successfully fought WW2?

Which party was in power and bailed during the Korean Conflict?

Which party was in power and bailed on Vietnam?

Which party was in power during the succesful Kosovo War preventing ethic clensing?

Which party started a war with a third world country unecessarily and failed to finish the job?

Which party started a war as a result of terrorist attacks, did half the job, took their eye of the ball and created a nearly unwinnable situation?

You're right, Republicans do a great job at prosecuting a war.

OH SNAP!

Obama knows what he is doing. Look who heads up Home Land Security and the CIA. Talk about an experienced Team.

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Originally posted by Duster6:
Obama knows what he is doing. Look who heads up Home Land Security and the CIA. Talk about an experienced Team.

Humm, by this time in the Bush Presidency, we had watched 2 buildings crumble, another get the crap blown out of it and some civilian hero's crash a plane into a field. Guess Bush had a crack team at the helm. He was such a good President.

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Originally posted by WepsFP:

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Originally posted by Duster6:
Obama knows what he is doing. Look who heads up Home Land Security and the CIA. Talk about an experienced Team.

Humm, by this time in the Bush Presidency, we had watched 2 buildings crumble, another get the crap blown out of it and some civilian hero's crash a plane into a field. Guess Bush had a crack team at the helm. He was such a good President.

We can thank his predecessor, Slick Willy, for the terrorist attacks. He was too busy chasing interns to do anything about national security.

The left's collective inbility to understand the "Radical" Islamists war with the west means that the left can never be successful in that war.

Let's start with the WTC, FIRST ATTACKED by the very same organization that attacked 9/11/2001. The first attack was in 1993.

"September 11 was not the first time terrorists attacked the World Trade Center. On 26 February 1993, six people died, more than a thousand were injured and 50,000 trade center workers were evacuated when a bomb in excess of 1,000 pounds exploded on the second level of the parking basement. The home-made device had been driven into the building in a stolen Ryder truck. The explosion’s epicenter was under the northeast corner of the Vista Hotel. (The same hotel, on 9/11, was owned by Marriott.)

The attack plan in 1993, as authorities later learned, was to topple one tower so it fell on the other, spewing forth cyanide gas and killing tens of thousands of Americans. At the time, and later, few people realized the scope of what the terrorists had set in motion. It is now believed that September 11's events began to take shape soon after the 1993 bomb failed to produce the hoped-for catastrophic results. If true, the well-coordinated attack on the United States was eight years in the making."

""http://www.awesomestories.com/disasters/america-attacked/prior-attacks-wtc-bombing

Indeed, it was planned all thru the Clinton Admin. and was cleanly missed. Gorelick memo and all. Actually, the BASIS of the attack goes back to the thinking of the Muslim Brotherhood and the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem

""When the Iraqi coup failed, Hajj Amin Al-Husseini fled to Nazi Germany, along with Fawzi El Kaukji. In Germany, he broadcast for the Nazis. He lobbied extensively to prevent Jews from escaping Germany. In 1943, he was sent to Yugoslavia, where he organized the 13th Waffen SS division, known as the Hanjar (Hansar, Handjar, or Handzar, meaning "saber") division. These Muslims were trained in Germany and officered by Germans. The incorporation of Muslims into the SS required changes in racist ideological propaganda, and also required that they be given special privileges, and not required to eat rations of pork or alcoholic..."

and

According to testimony by Nazi war criminals, the Mufti's influence was critical to the German decision to annihilate the Jews of Europe. At the Nuremberg Trials in July 1946, Dieter Wisliceny testified:

"The Mufti was one of the initiators of the systematic extermination of European Jewry and had been a collaborator and adviser of Eichmann and Himmler in the execution of this plan... He was one of Eichmann's best friends and had constantly incited him to accelerate the extermination measures. I heard him say, accompanied by Eichmann, he had visited incognito the gas chambers of Auschwitz."

More on this person

"Wisliceny also testified that after the Mufti's arrival in Germany he had paid a visit to Himmler and shortly afterwards (late in 1941 or early in 1942) had visited Eichmann in his Berlin office at Kürfurstrasse, 116. According to Wisliceny, Eichmann told him that he had brought the Mufti to a special room where he showed him maps illustrating the distribution of the Jewish population in various European countries and delivered a detailed report on the solution of the Jewish problem in Europe. Some of Wisliceny's testimony regarding Eichmann may have been self-serving as is claimed, but the evidence that the Mufti was an avid Nazi and was personally responsible for the mass murder of many Jews is not lacking, even without Wisliceny's testimony."

foregoing from
""http://www.zionism-israel.com/dic/Haj_Amin_El_Husseini.htm


""http://www.mideastweb.org/hamashistory.htm

and there's this

"The Brotherhood is an expansive and secretive society with followers in more than 70 countries, dedicated to creating a global Islamic order that would isolate women and punish nonbelievers. Its members and supporters founded al Qaeda, as well as one "of the largest college student groups in the United States."[4]"

and

"As the parent of all Sunni and many other Islamist terrorist groups, the MB, to deflect attention, uses its long-term strategy, known as "flexibility"[16] (muruna[17] in Arabic). This chameleon-like adaptation is tactical moderation with the ultimate objective of complete Islamization of society.[18] Indeed, the MB's 1982 project calls on members "To reconcile international engagement with flexibility at a local level."[19]"

from

""http://www.militantislammonitor.org/article/id/2011


Unfortunately, this is the tip of the iceberg, the begining of the information necessary for the left to throw off the chains of Cognative Dissonance that keep them from understanding.

The radicals of Islam plot and murder, murder and plot no matter who is in office, their political party, sayng anything they think is to their advantage, no matter how hugh the lie. They do it day in and day out, year in and year out, decade in and decade out, time secondary to their ultimate goal, a Muslim World Order. The probability of success DOES NOT FACTOR IN to the radical's thinking.

The slight education that Mr. Obama's 6 year old mind recieved in the Muslim Religion was absorbed by a 6 year old, who is not capable of unfderstanding the adult reality. As a consequence, he recalls as a 6 year old and cannot seem to seperate that intelectually from the reality of the Brotherhood.

So, we're in deep trouble `as the radicals continue to plot and kill.Remember, they need not succede every time, but we cannot fail even once.

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Originally posted by Kegler300:

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Originally posted by WepsFP:

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Originally posted by Duster6:
Obama knows what he is doing. Look who heads up Home Land Security and the CIA. Talk about an experienced Team.

Humm, by this time in the Bush Presidency, we had watched 2 buildings crumble, another get the crap blown out of it and some civilian hero's crash a plane into a field. Guess Bush had a crack team at the helm. He was such a good President.

We can thank his predecessor, Slick Willy, for the terrorist attacks. He was too busy chasing interns to do anything about national security.

Yawn.

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Originally posted by peter3_1:

Remember, they need not succede every time, but we cannot fail even once.

Oh... COME ON!!! Talk about your fear-mongering exaggerations! I mean, it's not as if we don't have previous examples in our history of failures where we still eventually succeeded on a scale this big (if not bigger).



And didn't fail on 9/11?... but we're still here...

So, bonesaw 3,000 deaths at a clip and connected financial losses of $1.5 trillion and still growing are all right with you? It is not allright with me.

I guess Liberals will have to learn the hard way why Obama is not the right leader for our country. It's just a shame we all have to pay for others mistakes. Fortunately, a second term for Obama doesn't look too great since his approval rating went down, is still dropping, and at the rate he's going will drop even lower in the future. Thank goodness there might be some sense left in America after all.

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Originally posted by peter3_1:

So, bonesaw 3,000 deaths at a clip and connected financial losses of $1.5 trillion and still growing are all right with you? It is not allright with me.

I'm not saying that we shouldn't be diligent and persue action when we are able - but there is little chance that we could avoid another attack of this scale if properly planned and executed.

The next time we're attacked (and it will almost certainly happen again regardless of which administration is in charge), we're probably not going to be able to stop that one either. I'm simply basing that on historical fact because there's only so much any nation can do to protect itself against a particular problem.

Pick any national issue in the United States and it probably won't be very difficult for someone to point out where we are failing and what is slipping through the cracks.

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there are terrorists now being produced in places where there were no insurgencies back in 2001 — Somalia, Yemen, Mindanao in the Philippines.

Is this guy a comedian?

There is no 100% solution, except the Brit. solution with the Thugee. That is not alowed these days.

SO, we must rely on all levels of intel., some less than perfect, the real and imediate military response to an attack on our soil not even a question in the most backwoodsman's mind in any nation on earth.

But what I see is a pre 9-11 police matter attitude that was so expenssive on this day 8 years ago.

I still miss a friend who died in that Shanksville field.

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Originally posted by WepsFP:

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Originally posted by Duster6:
Obama knows what he is doing. Look who heads up Home Land Security and the CIA. Talk about an experienced Team.

Humm, by this time in the Bush Presidency, we had watched 2 buildings crumble, another get the crap blown out of it and some civilian hero's crash a plane into a field. Guess Bush had a crack team at the helm. He was such a good President.

You pinhead. 9/11 never happened.

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Originally posted by Kegler300:

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Originally posted by WepsFP:

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Originally posted by Duster6:
Obama knows what he is doing. Look who heads up Home Land Security and the CIA. Talk about an experienced Team.

Humm, by this time in the Bush Presidency, we had watched 2 buildings crumble, another get the crap blown out of it and some civilian hero's crash a plane into a field. Guess Bush had a crack team at the helm. He was such a good President.

We can thank his predecessor, Slick Willy, for the terrorist attacks. He was too busy chasing interns to do anything about national security.

More Fox news and Limbaugh spin. Shame.

Any comments on how well the Republicans have done prosecuting wars over the last hundred years or so. Seems to me they bailed twice before the job was done, hosed up two wars so bad it cost them the Presidency and both houses of Congress. Republicans seem to leave a lot of unfinished business don't they??

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Originally posted by SenClaghorn:

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there are terrorists now being produced in places where there were no insurgencies back in 2001 — Somalia, Yemen, Mindanao in the Philippines.

Is this guy a comedian?

He's neither comedian nor historian, Senatuh.

He's funny, but not funny-ha-ha. More of funny-not-quite-right-in-the-you-know-where.

I suspect he's a prime example of where the bull **** intelligence fed to Bush 43 originated.

Ouija board, dart board, Risk gamepieces, and an Metallic Executive Binary Decision Maker are the tools of that sort of charlatan.

Hard to imagine a 'counter-terrorism expert' who didn't know of the Moros on Mindanao, or believed that there was no insurgency in Somalia during his first tour at CIA in the 90s.

Nah...he's just a dumbazz trying to sell books.

And foolishly that there was no al-Qeada in Iraq under Saddan! WHAT a side splitter!

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Originally posted by Yooper_tj:

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Originally posted by SenClaghorn:

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there are terrorists now being produced in places where there were no insurgencies back in 2001 — Somalia, Yemen, Mindanao in the Philippines.

Is this guy a comedian?

He's neither comedian nor historian, Senatuh.

He's funny, but not funny-ha-ha. More of funny-not-quite-right-in-the-you-know-where.

I suspect he's a prime example of where the bull **** intelligence fed to Bush 43 originated.

Ouija board, dart board, Risk gamepieces, and an Metallic Executive Binary Decision Maker are the tools of that sort of charlatan.

Hard to imagine a 'counter-terrorism expert' who didn't know of the Moros on Mindanao, or believed that there was no insurgency in Somalia during his first tour at CIA in the 90s.

Nah...he's just a dumbazz trying to sell books.

Yes it must be a dumbazz that would be willing to give Bush a raving review knowing full well that Bush pulled the plug on Tora Bora to chase after Saddam, then muddled through the next several years failing to provide adequate resources to the command in Afghanistan that would allow them to go after the actual master minds of 9/11.

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Originally posted by peter3_1:
And foolishly that there was no al-Qeada in Iraq under Saddan! WHAT a side splitter!

That debate was put to rest years ago.