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Originally posted by floersh:
Now before I start I want to say that I am not a fan of ACORN. But I am a constitutionalist and as such I must make mention of certain less than ideal realities.

Article I, section 9, clause 3 of the United States Constitution prohibits acts or writs of attainder.

Now that being said. Please explain to me how the "Defund ACORN Act" is not an act of attainder?

It pains me to say this. But congress can not punish any individual or group for a crime that has not been proven in a court of law... And this act along with certain actions taken against employees of AIG in recent history are exactly that.

At what point do Americans demand their government adhere to the constitution?

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Originally posted by Tangler:

Depends on who's ox is being gored...

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Originally posted by downranger69:
The only reason Becker and friends are going after Acorn is because: Acorn=welfare=Blacks=Obama
when an individual or group of idividuals commits fraud, you fire them and bring up charges, you don't shut down the whole company.

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Originally posted by downranger69:
The only reason Becker and friends are going after Acorn is because: Acorn=welfare=Blacks=Obama
when an individual or group of idividuals commits fraud, you fire them and bring up charges, you don't shut down the whole company.

"The things that will destroy America are prosperity at any price, peace at any price, safety first instead of duty first, the love of soft living and the get rich quick theory of life."
~~~Theodore Roosevelt~~~

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Originally posted by floersh:

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Originally posted by Tangler:

Depends on who's ox is being gored...

Its getting to the point that I don't really understand how anyone can say with a straight face that we are a constitutional republic.

Our leaders wipe their azz with the constitution daily and no one says anything.

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POTUS himself has said Acorn needs tio be investigated..... is he being racist to himself?

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Originally posted by Tangler:

Gee, kind of a broad brush...; so do you inclued both partys in this statment and could you list a few points so we can counter point this simple statment.

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Originally posted by floersh:
Now before I start I want to say that I am not a fan of ACORN. But I am a constitutionalist and as such I must make mention of certain less than ideal realities.

Article I, section 9, clause 3 of the United States Constitution prohibits acts or writs of attainder.

Now that being said. Please explain to me how the "Defund ACORN Act" is not an act of attainder?

It pains me to say this. But congress can not punish any individual or group for a crime that has not been proven in a court of law... And this act along with certain actions taken against employees of AIG in recent history are exactly that.

At what point do Americans demand their government adhere to the constitution?

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Originally posted by cosmicfish:

This does not qualify - Congress is not imposing any criminal or monetary punishment on ACORN, they are just barring them from getting any more business

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Originally posted by ColdWarGranny:
Acorn has already fired the employees that were in the videos, and I seriously doubt any investigators will be able to find that they have policies promoting the assistance of pimps and prostitutes as part of their daily business. What criminal charges can they be brought up on? What can they been "indicted" for? Can you charge a company for hiring bad employees? Or bad management practices?

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Originally posted by Silent_Surface:

How about they are going after Acorn because the organization is corrupt

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Originally posted by SeaWitch1220:

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Originally posted by Silent_Surface:

How about they are going after Acorn because the organization is corrupt

And you are absolutely sure that the ORGANIZATION known as ACORN is "corrupt"? What has the ORGANIZATION been convicted of or even charged with?

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From its beginnings nearly 40 years ago, ACORN has been the embodiment of aggressive, in-your-face Saul Alinsky-style community guerrilla theater. Its leaders see disruption as the best way to press demands upon the powerful on behalf of the powerless. Toward that end, they've led members of various chapters in storming or shouting down public hearings in a quest for "justice." Union Corruption Update moreover has noted several times since early 2007 that ACORN street activists this decade frequently have engaged in voter-registration fraud, acts that led to successful prosecutions in Colorado, Missouri and other states. ACORN's disdain for rule of law appears endemic at the top as well. Last June, founder and longtime chief organizer Wade Rathke stepped down from his post following the revelation that during 1999-2000 he most likely covered for his CFO brother, Dale Rathke, after the latter made unauthorized transfers of nearly $950,000 from ACORN and affiliated nonprofit groups to an ACORN-affiliated political operation, Citizens Consulting Inc. The Rathke family had paid back $210,000 in seven annual $30,000 installments until last year, when an unnamed donor, later identified as Tides Foundation CEO Drummond Pike, paid the remainder. (*http://www.nlpc.org/stories/2009/04/10/house-panel-hears-testimony-acorn-corruption-coercion*)

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Tax problems continue to build for the New Orleans-based national activist
group ACORN, with the IRS filing a $548,000 lien this month for two years
worth of unpaid payroll taxes, according to records in the Orleans Parish
Clerk of Court’s office.
The latest federal tax filing lists seven different payments that were missed
for unemployment taxes from July 2007 through March of this year. That
adds to an existing IRS bill of more than $1 million, which The Pelican
Institute detailed in an August report.
The latest federal filing, recorded Sept. 3, comes as Louisiana Attorney
General Buddy Caldwell investigates delinquent state payroll taxes from the
Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now and its myriad
related groups. Caldwell is also investigating other allegations against the
group.
(*http://www.pelicaninstitute.org/files/pdf/ACORN%20latest%20lien.pdf*)

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Originally posted by AngelHeart:

There is so much about it out there that it boggles the mind, that you don't go look and see it all for yourself. But I doubt you would, because you don't really want to know, do you?

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Originally posted by SeaWitch1220:

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Originally posted by AngelHeart:

There is so much about it out there that it boggles the mind, that you don't go look and see it all for yourself. But I doubt you would, because you don't really want to know, do you?

Every "incident" of voter fraud was the result of employees, not the organization. In fact, ACORN itself turned in the employees that engaged in fraudulent voter registration (which does NOT equal "voter fraud")

Again, you are vilifying the ORGANIZATION for the conduct of its EMPLOYEES. Imagine if we did that with the US military?

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Originally posted by AngelHeart:

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Originally posted by SeaWitch1220:

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Originally posted by AngelHeart:

There is so much about it out there that it boggles the mind, that you don't go look and see it all for yourself. But I doubt you would, because you don't really want to know, do you?

Every "incident" of voter fraud was the result of employees, not the organization. In fact, ACORN itself turned in the employees that engaged in fraudulent voter registration (which does NOT equal "voter fraud")

Again, you are vilifying the ORGANIZATION for the conduct of its EMPLOYEES. Imagine if we did that with the US military?

Yeah...ok.

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Originally posted by SeaWitch1220:

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Originally posted by AngelHeart:

There is so much about it out there that it boggles the mind, that you don't go look and see it all for yourself. But I doubt you would, because you don't really want to know, do you?

Every "incident" of voter fraud was the result of employees, not the organization. In fact, ACORN itself turned in the employees that engaged in fraudulent voter registration (which does NOT equal "voter fraud")

Again, you are vilifying the ORGANIZATION for the conduct of its EMPLOYEES. Imagine if we did that with the US military?

"The things that will destroy America are prosperity at any price, peace at any price, safety first instead of duty first, the love of soft living and the get rich quick theory of life."
~~~Theodore Roosevelt~~~

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Originally posted by ColdWarGranny:
Acorn has already fired the employees that were in the videos, and I seriously doubt any investigators will be able to find that they have policies promoting the assistance of pimps and prostitutes as part of their daily business. What criminal charges can they be brought up on? What can they been "indicted" for? Can you charge a company for hiring bad employees? Or bad management practices?

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Originally posted by floersh:
Now before I start I want to say that I am not a fan of ACORN. But I am a constitutionalist and as such I must make mention of certain less than ideal realities.

Article I, section 9, clause 3 of the United States Constitution prohibits acts or writs of attainder.

Now that being said. Please explain to me how the "Defund ACORN Act" is not an act of attainder?

It pains me to say this. But congress can not punish any individual or group for a crime that has not been proven in a court of law... And this act along with certain actions taken against employees of AIG in recent history are exactly that.

At what point do Americans demand their government adhere to the constitution?

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Originally posted by Silent_Surface:

SW,

In every case, did not ACORN take action only after someone else pointed out the problem?

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Acorn=welfare=Blacks=Obama

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Originally posted by Silent_Surface:
POTUS himself has said Acorn needs tio be investigated..... is he being racist to himself?

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Originally posted by ColdWarGranny:
Acorn has already fired the employees that were in the videos, and I seriously doubt any investigators will be able to find that they have policies promoting the assistance of pimps and prostitutes as part of their daily business. What criminal charges can they be brought up on? What can they been "indicted" for? Can you charge a company for hiring bad employees? Or bad management practices?

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Originally posted by SeaWitch1220:

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Originally posted by AngelHeart:

There is so much about it out there that it boggles the mind, that you don't go look and see it all for yourself. But I doubt you would, because you don't really want to know, do you?

Every "incident" of voter fraud was the result of employees, not the organization.Don't the employees represent the organisation? In fact, ACORN itself turned in the employees that engaged in fraudulent voter registration (which does NOT equal "voter fraud")Taking a page out of the 'BHO Throw 'Em Under the Bus' play book!

Again, you are vilifying the ORGANIZATION for the conduct of its EMPLOYEES. Imagine if we did that with the US military?You only have to look at the likes of John Kerry & Co. to see that already happens.

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Originally posted by 67NOV:
Don't the employees represent the organisation?