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Originally posted by sw614:

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Originally posted by SeaWitch1220:
I am pro life which is why I support:

• Universal Health Care (The United States ranks 50th out of 224 nations in life expectancy, with an average life span of 78.1 years)Sounds nice, but at over a trillion dollars for 10 years with only 1/3rd of people who need it getting it is going to be expensive and continual outlays. Plus I seriously doubt the federal government's ability to run it efficiently. This will push mandantory spending to over 60% of the annual federal budget. It will be at the expense of discretionary spending since politicians have a hard time cutting or curtailing entitlement programs
  
• Reducing Carbon Emissions (Air pollution is responsible for 3% of the deaths in this country)You including all countries in this or just the US? And out of those counted in the 3%, how many were at risk due to resporitory ailments or other diseases? Just trying to determine if the 3% figure is skewed.
  
• Sex Education in schools to reduce unwanted pregnancy and STDsAgreed, but not in grade school
  
• Diplomacy rather than the "Bush Doctrine" of preemptive war12 years of using diplomacy going through the UN with Saddam and patrolling the no-fly zones and 8 years of attacks on the US by AQ and Taliban. How long do we try diplomacy? What is the point, for you, that we go to the next step?
  

Pro Child, Pro Life, Pro Choice

Only pro child after they are born, right? (BTW - I am also pro choice, but your wording seems contradictory.

As opposed to "pro life" until the fetus is born?

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Originally posted by dragonflyer04:
You can be ProLife if you look at it as a philosophical stand...meaning your view of life. Others may choose to abort a child but you may not...do they have a right to do so in this world ... "yes", why? the Bible says we all have been given "free will" by God...and we will make mistakes but we can be forgiven. Life is our test of faith. God is the final judge. Remember "judge not lest ye be judged"!

So you can do and be both...

You make judgments every day. This seems to explain it pretty well...

"Judge not, that ye be not judged. The term judge is used in more than one sense, but Christ's meaning is plain. (1) He does not prohibit the civil judgment of the courts upon evil doers, for this is approved throughout the whole Bible. (2) He does not prohibit the judgment of the church, through its officers, upon those who walk disorderly, for both he and the apostles have enjoined this. (3) He does not forbid those private judgments that we are compelled to form the wrong-doers, for he himself tell us that we are to judge men by their fruits. (See Mt 7:15-20.) What he designs to prohibit is rash, uncharitable judgments, a fault-finding spirit, a disposition to condemn without examination of charges."
*http://bible.cc/matthew/7-1.htm

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Originally posted by threerings:


That makes them ahead of the U.S.?
Well, at least I got a laugh out of this..

You said, and I quote; "China has NOT figured that out" regarding pollution in their country and I pointed out that you were, once again, wrong and China IS waking up to the reality of pollution in their country. Now you ask about where we are "behind China" and I was pretty clear about that, but I will post it again so you can't misconstrue or quote me out of context AGAIN.

"do we want to be behind China in the production and exporting of green technology? (Actually, I think we already ARE)"

It turns out we aren't, but we will be soon.

Incentives add shine to China solar drive
http://www.reuters.com/article/GCA-GreenBusiness/idUSTRE55I18S20090619

Handful of players seen ruling the solar roost
http://www.reuters.com/article/reutersEdge/idUSTRE5603SD20090701

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Originally posted by thorin001:

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Originally posted by ACR26:

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Originally posted by thorin001:

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Originally posted by ACR26:
1,600,000 abortions a year in America
653,708 combat deaths total in all our wars.

We have killed almost double the number of unborn children…than lives lost in combat.
Both are sad statistics. Neither can be compared. To say pro-life in this manner is tardedRE.

“http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004615.html
“http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,880,00.html

According to that figure that means that 1 in every 94 women in the US has an abortion each year. That includes newborns and 97 year old ladies. Given that less than 10% of the women in this country are pregnant at any given time that would mean that over 10% of all pregnancies end in abortion. I seriously doubt that the abortion rate is that high.

I did not personally count the number. If we use half of that...is that any better? I am confused as to your point.

The point is that your numbers are faulty. You are either misinformed, or you are deliberately spreading misinformation.

And if you want to check my math I assumed 300,000,000 people in the USA, half of whom are female. And for pregnancy rate, the average time women spend pregnant divided by the average lifespan.

Point is...stick this in your pipe and smoke it.
And yet you did not have the courage to answer my question
"http://catholics-united.org/files/reducing-abortion-in-america.pdf

"http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2008/01/17/number_of_abortions_lowest_in_decades/

"http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_women_have_an_abortion_each_year_in_america

"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_the_United_States

INCIDENCE OF ABORTION

• Nearly half of pregnancies among American women are unintended, and four in 10 of these are terminated by abortion.[1] Twenty-two percent of all pregnancies (excluding miscarriages) end in abortion.[2]

• Forty percent of pregnancies among white women, 69% among blacks and 54% among Hispanics are unintended.

• In 2005, 1.21 million abortions were performed, down from 1.31 million in 2000. From 1973 through 2005, more than 45 million legal abortions occurred.[2]

CONTRACEPTIVE USE

• Each year, about two percent of women aged 15-44 have an abortion; 47% of them have had at least one previous abortion.[3]

Fifty-four percent of women who have abortions had used a contraceptive method (usually the condom or the pill) during the month they became pregnant. Among those women, 76% of pill users and 49% of condom users report having used their method inconsistently, while 13% of pill users and 14% of condom users report correct use.[9]

• Forty-six percent of women who have abortions had not used a contraceptive method during the month they became pregnant. Of these women, 33% had perceived themselves to be at low risk for pregnancy, 32% had had concerns about contraceptive methods, 26% had had unexpected sex and 1% had been forced to have sex.[9]

• Eight percent of women who have abortions have never used a method of birth control; nonuse is greatest among those who are young, poor, black, Hispanic or less educated.[9]

• About half of unintended pregnancies occur among the 11% of women who are at risk for unintended pregnancy but are not using contraceptives. Most of these women have practiced contraception in the past.[1,10]

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html

You will never stop abortions by making abortion illegal. Women have been terminating unwanted pregnancies since the beginning of time and will continue to do so which is why abortion must remain legal and safe. The goal is to make it become RARE.

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Originally posted by SeaWitch1220:

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Originally posted by threerings:


That makes them ahead of the U.S.?
Well, at least I got a laugh out of this..

You said, and I quote; "China has NOT figured that out" regarding pollution in their country and I pointed out that you were, once again, wrong and China IS waking up to the reality of pollution in their country. Now you ask about where we are "behind China" and I was pretty clear about that, but I will post it again so you can't misconstrue or quote me out of context AGAIN.

"do we want to be behind China in the production and exporting of green technology? (Actually, I think we already ARE)"

It turns out we aren't, but we will be soon.

Incentives add shine to China solar drive
http://www.reuters.com/article/GCA-GreenBusiness/idUSTRE55I18S20090619

Handful of players seen ruling the solar roost
http://www.reuters.com/article/reutersEdge/idUSTRE5603SD20090701

You said, and I quote: China may already be ahead of the U.S.


Which is just about the most inaccurate thing you've ever said.

When we fall behind China, we will have liberals and Obama to blame..maybe a bit of Bush and Clinton too.

Number of Americans Dying Each Day From Lack of Health Insurance
February 6, 2009, 2:37PM

insured and Dying Because of It: Updating the Institute of Medicine Analysis on the Impact of Uninsurance on Mortality.

This line of study began in 2002 by the Institute of Medicine (IOM). Their original estimate was that
18,000 Americans had died because they were uninsured in the year 2000. Subsequent studies using the IOM methodology combined with Census Bureau estimates of insurance coverage concluded that 137,000 people died from 2000 through 2006 which included 22,000 in 2006.

A detailed explanation of the IOM methodology and how it is combined with Census Bureau statistics is presented on page 2 of the study mentioned above.

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/star_mason/2009/02/number-of-americans-dying-each.php (Link to article)

http://www.urban.org/UploadedPDF/411588_uninsured_dying.pdf (Link to report)

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Originally posted by threerings:

You said, and I quote: China may already be ahead of the U.S.


Which is just about the most inaccurate thing you've ever said.

Are you intentionally obtuse or is this a ridiculous game you play?

Did even look at the links? I realize that FACTS are scary to you, but did you read where China will be taking over soon as the leader in the exporting of green technology? Of course you didn't, that isn't how you roll.

I am against abortion. My son was born when I was very young. Fortunately my family and her family were against abortion because at such a young age, I would not have had a say in the matter.

The thought of my son being aborted is horrifying. The thought that my grandchildren would never even have had a chance to be born, makes me completely against abortion.

I am also against the government passing a law to make abortion illegal.

A law against abortion would not stop abortion any more than the laws against drugs stops people from dealing and doing drugs. What such a law would do is expand the government’s powers over the citizens of the United States to a greater level than it is now.

How can a conservative support such an expansion of government power?

Council against abortion. Help disadvantaged children. Support education that prevents unwanted pregnancy. But please, do not support a law that would make abortion illegal.

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Originally posted by I_M_Qwerty:
Personally I favor natural selection and culling the herd occasionally when things start getting too crowded.

Seems to me 78.1 is long enough ... at least once you are confined to a nursing home or a back room at your children's home. There is a difference between life and longevity. It isn't longetivity that matters to me ... but how good the life is.

BTW ... totally off topic ... since quitting smoking, my taste buds have made a comeback ... and I'm amazed at how crappy so many things taste that I thought I liked.

Seems to me 78.1 is long enough ...

Tell us that when when your in your mid seventies, bet you wont feel the same about it.

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Originally posted by SeaWitch1220:

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Originally posted by threerings:

You said, and I quote: China may already be ahead of the U.S.


Which is just about the most inaccurate thing you've ever said.

Are you intentionally obtuse or is this a ridiculous game you play?

Did even look at the links? I realize that FACTS are scary to you, but did you read where China will be taking over soon as the leader in the exporting of green technology? Of course you didn't, that isn't how you roll.

Pot...kettle.


Maybe you can post aomse links from china_propaganda.com? Or: leftwingmusings.org...

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Originally posted by DMarkUhler:

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You cant be pro choice and pro life.

Just like you can't be pro life and pro death penalty?

Apples and oranges, when you murder a fetus thats taking the life of one whos won the lottery, given the odds of being born. When you
execute a murderer he/she has forfited that life.