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I am pro life which is why I support:


  • Universal Health Care (The United States ranks 50th out of 224 nations in life expectancy, with an average life span of 78.1 years)
  • Reducing Carbon Emissions (Air pollution is responsible for 3% of the deaths in this country)
  • Sex Education in schools to reduce unwanted pregnancy and STDs
  • Diplomacy rather than the "Bush Doctrine" of preemptive war


Pro Child, Pro Life, Pro Choice
 
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Works for me, but prepare for incoming. Big Grin
 
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You cant be pro choice and pro life.
Sorry, you're not having it both ways.

And feel free to keep posting numbers that have been soundly destroyed. I dont expect facts or reasoned opinions from the left.

Everything you think you know about your One is a mirage. Its falling apart bit by bit everyday. Enjoy the power now.
 
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Originally posted by threerings:
You cant be pro choice and pro life.
Sorry, you're not having it both ways.

And feel free to keep posting numbers that have been soundly destroyed. I dont expect facts or reasoned opinions from the left.

Everything you think you know about your One is a mirage. Its falling apart bit by bit everyday. Enjoy the power now.


I don't know threerings, I call myself prochoice but do not believe in abortion.
I just don't think I have a right to tell someone else what they can or can not do with their body.

Now if I was married and my wife got pregnant and wanted an abortion, I wouldn't be with her very long and would fight her in court about it.

Make sense to you?


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Originally posted by SeaWitch1220:
I am pro life which is why I support:


  • Universal Health Care (The United States ranks 50th out of 224 nations in life expectancy, with an average life span of 78.1 years)
  • Reducing Carbon Emissions (Air pollution is responsible for 3% of the deaths in this country)
  • Sex Education in schools to reduce unwanted pregnancy and STDs
  • Diplomacy rather than the "Bush Doctrine" of preemptive war


Pro Child, Pro Life, Pro Choice


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Personally I favor natural selection and culling the herd occasionally when things start getting too crowded.

Seems to me 78.1 is long enough ... at least once you are confined to a nursing home or a back room at your children's home. There is a difference between life and longevity. It isn't longetivity that matters to me ... but how good the life is.

BTW ... totally off topic ... since quitting smoking, my taste buds have made a comeback ... and I'm amazed at how crappy so many things taste that I thought I liked.
 
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You cant be pro choice and pro life.
Sorry, you're not having it both ways.


I don't see why not? That is my main problem with those who proclaim themselves "Pro-Life". They seem to place the term as being confined to their agenda rather than the broad aspects of the words.

I know it is an old argument but how can one say they are "Pro-Life" and support the death penalty knowing that hundreds have been released from death row after spending decades fighting for their lives and only released through modern technology and someone willing to fight for you. So how many innocents died before the technology and how many have died since?

How can you truly be "Pro-Life" if you are pro-war? How can one be "Pro-Life" if they are not pro-active with the orphans which are many among us? But from what I have seen and continue to see is those who deem themselves "Pro-Life" limiting the term only in regard to abortion.

Like another poster stated; I consider myself "Pro-Choice" because I don't think of myself as wise enough to make a decision for a woman I don't even know, nor do I know the circumstance which would lead a woman to make such a choice.

But I also consider myself "Pro-Life" because I do give of my time and money to the orphans and homeless children. And I feel if we kill even one innocent human being then the state murdered them and robbed an individual and that individual's family of a life.

Yes you can have it both ways and as intelligent caring people, we absolutely must. JMHO

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Originally posted by threerings:
You cant be pro choice and pro life.
Sorry, you're not having it both ways.

And feel free to keep posting numbers that have been soundly destroyed. I dont expect facts or reasoned opinions from the left.

Everything you think you know about your One is a mirage. Its falling apart bit by bit everyday. Enjoy the power now.


BS. She give numbers and you give opinion. When you claim stats are wrong, at least have the decency to make up your own. Makes you seem less vapid. Somehow, I get this picture of you wishing upon a star every night.
 
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You cant be pro choice and pro life.



Just like you can't be pro life and pro death penalty?
 
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Originally posted by threerings:
You cant be pro choice and pro life.
Sorry, you're not having it both ways.

And feel free to keep posting numbers that have been soundly destroyed. I dont expect facts or reasoned opinions from the left.

Everything you think you know about your One is a mirage. Its falling apart bit by bit everyday. Enjoy the power now.


BS. She give numbers and you give opinion. When you claim stats are wrong, at least have the decency to make up your own. Makes you seem less vapid. Somehow, I get this picture of you wishing upon a star every night.


I concur. If anyone backs up what they say it's SW. You can always count on the fact that she does her homework.

Btw Thud, what's decency in P/CP? Big Grin


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Originally posted by L0A1:
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Originally posted by threerings:
You cant be pro choice and pro life.
Sorry, you're not having it both ways.

And feel free to keep posting numbers that have been soundly destroyed. I dont expect facts or reasoned opinions from the left.

Everything you think you know about your One is a mirage. Its falling apart bit by bit everyday. Enjoy the power now.


I don't know threerings, I call myself prochoice but do not believe in abortion.
I just don't think I have a right to tell someone else what they can or can not do with their body.

Now if I was married and my wife got pregnant and wanted an abortion, I wouldn't be with her very long and would fight her in court about it.

Make sense to you?


You dont have the right? We do it EVERYDAY. Every single day we tell people what they can and cannot do with "their" bodies. So, no, it doesn't make sense.
 
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Ya, killing an unborn fetus and a convicted criminal are the same thing...
 
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You cant be pro choice and pro life.



Just like you can't be pro life and pro death penalty?
Me ... I'm anti-abortion, pro-death penalty. All this pro-life and pro-choice stuff confuses me. I'm happy dealing in specifics ... not generalities. They get you in trouble. The "right to choose" means that old folks like me get to exit the net on our own terms ... at least IMHO.
 
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Originally posted by Thud357L:
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Originally posted by threerings:
You cant be pro choice and pro life.
Sorry, you're not having it both ways.

And feel free to keep posting numbers that have been soundly destroyed. I dont expect facts or reasoned opinions from the left.

Everything you think you know about your One is a mirage. Its falling apart bit by bit everyday. Enjoy the power now.


BS. She give numbers and you give opinion. When you claim stats are wrong, at least have the decency to make up your own. Makes you seem less vapid. Somehow, I get this picture of you wishing upon a star every night.


I've beaten those numbers senseless again and again.. Hey, can we drag out the WHO stats for me to knock out of the park again? Really I get tired of countering the same tripe over and over and over again. The numbers are garbage. Anyone with half a brain would easily understand that.
 
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I'll give you this much: Pro-life might not be the right term for what I am.

I dont beleive in the killing of unborn children because two adults failed to act like adults.
 
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Ya, killing an unborn fetus and a convicted criminal are the same thing...


So the few/however many they got wrong is an acceptable death? And history shows that they have gotten it wrong numerous times and only God knows how many were not revealed. Just saying......,.,..,


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You cant be pro choice and pro life.



Just like you can't be pro life and pro death penalty?
Me ... I'm anti-abortion, pro-death penalty. All this pro-life and pro-choice stuff confuses me. I'm happy dealing in specifics ... not generalities. They get you in trouble. The "right to choose" means that old folks like me get to exit the net on our own terms ... at least IMHO.


Fortunately we live in America where you can be whatever you wish...no matter how conflicted you are. Big Grin


I myself and pro-life and anti-death penalty. Wink
 
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Originally posted by DMarkUhler:
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You cant be pro choice and pro life.



Just like you can't be pro life and pro death penalty?
Me ... I'm anti-abortion, pro-death penalty. All this pro-life and pro-choice stuff confuses me. I'm happy dealing in specifics ... not generalities. They get you in trouble. The "right to choose" means that old folks like me get to exit the net on our own terms ... at least IMHO.


Fortunately we live in America where you can be whatever you wish...no matter how conflicted you are. Big Grin


I myself and pro-life and anti-death penalty. Wink


And I am pro-choice and pro-death penalty........Gosh Dave, what's conflicted Confused Big Grin


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You can be ProLife if you look at it as a philosophical stand...meaning your view of life. Others may choose to abort a child but you may not...do they have a right to do so in this world ... "yes", why? the Bible says we all have been given "free will" by God...and we will make mistakes but we can be forgiven. Life is our test of faith. God is the final judge. Remember "judge not lest ye be judged"!

So you can do and be both...
 
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Originally posted by SeaWitch1220:
I am pro life which is why I support:


  • Universal Health Care (The United States ranks 50th out of 224 nations in life expectancy, with an average life span of 78.1 years)
  • Reducing Carbon Emissions (Air pollution is responsible for 3% of the deaths in this country)
  • Sex Education in schools to reduce unwanted pregnancy and STDs
  • Diplomacy rather than the "Bush Doctrine" of preemptive war


Pro Child, Pro Life, Pro Choice


I didn't get the memo it was opposite day...
 
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Originally posted by SeaWitch1220:
I am pro life which is why I support:


  • Universal Health Care (The United States ranks 50th out of 224 nations in life expectancy, with an average life span of 78.1 years). [Degradation of life expectancy for those with serious medical issues, 16% dying years sooner, just as where the stupidity and bureaucrats-for-doctors mismanagement of socialized "medicine" has been foisted onto weak and confused people elsewhere. But the "public option" will sure line the pockets of the adminstration's industrial suck-ups, ensuring big contributions to leftist causes during polytickle campaigns in the future. Why do the obamanites want it? Power and control, yes, and also the quicker deaths to reduce the economic impact in decades ahead of the grossly underfunded Medicare and Social Insecurity accounts. Sooner death of citizens is their Brave New World's objective. Taxpayers exist to serve them; it rapidly moving away from being a government of, by, and for the people; it is becoming a government to serve the egos of the polytickle-jobs-for-life control-freaks.]
  • Reducing Carbon Emissions (Air pollution is responsible for 3% of the deaths in this country) [And the brownouts and blackouts resulting and planned by the obamanites and their lemmings as a result of the "crap and tax" absurdity will create even more risk to people's health. One of the most important foundations of improved health and opportunity, of better quality of life, in American and elsewhere has derived from cheap energy. Obama, his handlers, and his sycophants desperately wish to undermine that prosperity, to severely control it and take the decision-making away from "common" Americans, thus to enhance their own polytickle power. Anybody who likes Obama's ideas can go live in the third world--they'll get a taste of that soon enough if the longer-term effects of the possible intrusions and control-freak ideas come to pass. Yes, let's destroy millions of good paying jobs now for sure, to bet on the come that some other "green" jobs will come your way during the next 40 years. Brilliant economics as only the feelings-and-intentions-over-reality leftists can fathom. It ain;t about what works well. It's about destroying what works to impose control over the economy.]

  • Sex Education in schools to reduce unwanted pregnancy and STDs..[Great. Push all the kids into rationalizing more and more gratuitous sexual activity, resulting in more unwanted pregnancies, seldom by those practicing abstinence, but far more by those encouraged to be active.]

  • Diplomacy rather than the "Bush Doctrine" of preemptive war [More bulls*** yapping and cutting the caj*nes off the military to stupidly and irresponsibly degrade the security of the nation. That's the leftist idea: set the nation up for failure to further reinforce their misbegotten power and control. And nothing of substance has been accomplished by diplomacy so far, and nothing will; you can talk as softly as you wish, but that big stick has to be obvious, if not brandished. George Bush had the wisdom to change his operational and tactical approach, but as a number of us have said and been proven correct: the strategy he applied was inherently correct. But we see the leftist plan for security: sit on your arse, flappin' your gums, until you are checkmated again.]


Pro Child, Pro Life [For anyone not against the American holocaust, then this can be true only in the sense of a bad joke or a weak attempt to confuse the ignorant], Pro Choice


The contemptible doublespeak about more than a million American human lives destroyed for "convenience"--no more moral than what totalitarian regimes throughout history have immorally rationalized--marks the lack of underlying character among the leftists. And many of them happily seek to turn their backs on the wisdom of the millennia with regard to other societal norms, learned the long, hard way in many centuries of experience and reflection.
 
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Originally posted by SeaWitch1220:
I am pro life which is why I support:


  • Universal Health Care (The United States ranks 50th out of 224 nations in life expectancy, with an average life span of 78.1 years). [Degradation of life expectancy for those with serious medical issues, 16% dying years sooner, just as where the stupidity and bureaucrats-for-doctors mismanagement of socialized "medicine" has been foisted onto weak and confused people elsewhere. But the "public option" will sure line the pockets of the adminstration's industrial suck-ups, ensuring big contributions to leftist causes during polytickle campaigns in the future. Why do the obamanites want it? Power and control, yes, and also the quicker deaths to reduce the economic impact in decades ahead of the grossly underfunded Medicare and Social Insecurity accounts. Sooner death of citizens is their Brave New World's objective. Taxpayers exist to serve them; it rapidly moving away from being a government of, by, and for the people; it is becoming a government to serve the egos of the polytickle-jobs-for-life control-freaks.]
  • Reducing Carbon Emissions (Air pollution is responsible for 3% of the deaths in this country) [And the brownouts and blackouts resulting and planned by the obamanites and their lemmings as a result of the "crap and tax" absurdity will create even more risk to people's health. One of the most important foundations of improved health and opportunity, of better quality of life, in American and elsewhere has derived from cheap energy. Obama, his handlers, and his sycophants desperately wish to undermine that prosperity, to severely control it and take the decision-making away from "common" Americans, thus to enhance their own polytickle power. Anybody who likes Obama's ideas can go live in the third world--they'll get a taste of that soon enough if the longer-term effects of the possible intrusions and control-freak ideas come to pass. Yes, let's destroy millions of good paying jobs now for sure, to bet on the come that some other "green" jobs will come your way during the next 40 years. Brilliant economics as only the feelings-and-intentions-over-reality leftists can fathom. It ain;t about what works well. It's about destroying what works to impose control over the economy.]

  • Sex Education in schools to reduce unwanted pregnancy and STDs..[Great. Push all the kids into rationalizing more and more gratuitous sexual activity, resulting in more unwanted pregnancies, seldom by those practicing abstinence, but far more by those encouraged to be active.]

  • Diplomacy rather than the "Bush Doctrine" of preemptive war [More bulls*** yapping and cutting the caj*nes off the military to stupidly and irresponsibly degrade the security of the nation. That's the leftist idea: set the nation up for failure to further reinforce their misbegotten power and control. And nothing of substance has been accomplished by diplomacy so far, and nothing will; you can talk as softly as you wish, but that big stick has to be obvious, if not brandished. George Bush had the wisdom to change his operational and tactical approach, but as a number of us have said and been proven correct: the strategy he applied was inherently correct. But we see the leftist plan for security: sit on your arse, flappin' your gums, until you are checkmated again.]


Pro Child, Pro Life [For anyone not against the American holocaust, then this can be true only in the sense of a bad joke or a weak attempt to confuse the ignorant], Pro Choice


The contemptible doublespeak about more than a million American human lives destroyed for "convenience"--no more moral than what totalitarian regimes throughout history have immorally rationalized--marks the lack of underlying character among the leftists. And many of them happily seek to turn their backs on the wisdom of the millennia with regard to other societal norms, learned the long, hard way in many centuries of experience and reflection.


Good post IMO
 
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You cant be pro choice and pro life.
Sorry, you're not having it both ways.



Indeed! There is no in between.

This thread appears to be either in the baiting or disruptive posting category. This tired old subject - we all know by now who supports life and who doesn't. *sigh*


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You cant be pro choice and pro life.



Just like you can't be pro life and pro death penalty?




It depends on what your comparing it to.
As for the unborn or the murderer.

When it comes to the innocent unborn, I am pro-life. But for the convicted murderer who has exhausted all of his/hers appeals, and who has committed atrocities against innocent humans, then I definatly am pro death penalty.
 
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You cant be pro choice and pro life.



Just like you can't be pro life and pro death penalty?




It depends on what your comparing it to.
As for the unborn or the murderer.

When it comes to the innocent unborn, I am pro-life. But for the convicted murderer who has exhausted all of his/hers appeals, and who has committed atrocities against innocent humans, then I definatly am pro death penalty.


Ah....if it were only that simple....
 
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You cant be pro choice and pro life.



Just like you can't be pro life and pro death penalty?




It depends on what your comparing it to.
As for the unborn or the murderer.

When it comes to the innocent unborn, I am pro-life. But for the convicted murderer who has exhausted all of his/hers appeals, and who has committed atrocities against innocent humans, then I definatly am pro death penalty.


Ah....if it were only that simple....


Thats seems pretty simple to me.
 
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I said death penalty. Not who has exhausted all of his/hers appeals, and who has committed atrocities against innocent humans.

What about the 123 people have been found innocent of the crime they were sentenced to death for? Or what about those that ran out of appeals that were executed and were innocent? Seems they would be like the innocent children put to death????
 
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I agree with you to a certain extent, those who were caught red handed, and those who were convicted "without a SHADOW of a doubt", should receive whats coming to them.

However those convicted by "without a REASONABLE doubt", is still questionable.
 
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I'm pro-homosexuals, so long as dont ask dont tell is enforced.
 
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I'm pro-homosexuals, so long as dont ask dont tell is enforced.


I am not.
 
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