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It is interesting that President Clinton is still incapable of taking responsibility for his actions. There can be little doubt of his direct contribution to the situation he now seems so concerned about:

President Clinton warns of growing polarization

Former President William Clinton addresses the National Governors Association during its centennial meeting, Saturday, July 12, 2008 in Philadelphia. Tom Mihalek
By ANDREW WELSH-HUGGINS (Associated Press Writer)
From Associated Press
July 12, 2008 5:38 PM EDT

PHILADELPHIA - Former President Bill Clinton warned Saturday that the country is becoming increasingly polarized despite the historic nature of the Democratic primary.

Speaking at the National Governors Association's semiannual meeting, Clinton noted that on the one hand, following the early stages of the Democratic primary, "the surviving candidates were an African-American man and a woman."

Clinton's wife, Hillary Rodham Clinton, battled for the Democratic nomination into June with fellow Democrat Barack Obama, son of a white mother and black father.

But this achievement was overshadowed by a growing distance between Americans, said Clinton.

"Underneath this apparent accommodation to our diversity, we are in fact hunkering down in communities of like-mindedness, and it affects our ability to manage difference," Clinton said.

Clinton developed his 44-minute speech from themes he said he drew from a new book, "The Big Sort," by Bill Bishop.

He cited statistics compiled by Bishop that found that in the 1976 presidential election, only 20 percent of the nation's counties voted for Jimmy Carter or President Ford by more than a 20 percent margin.

By contrast, 48 percent of the nation's counties in 2004 voted for John Kerry or President Bush by more than 20 points, Clinton said.

"We were sorting ourselves out by choosing to live with people that we agree with," Clinton said.

Clinton has often meshed big picture admonitions with new books whose ideas he admires. He drew similar conclusions in 2000 following the publication of Robert Putnam's "Bowling Alone," on the decline of civic engagement in the United States.

Among the approximately two dozen active governors in attendance Saturday were some of the 11 who backed Obama over Hillary Rodham Clinton.

Gov. Timothy Kaine of Virginia said he wasn't worried about how President Clinton might view his support for Obama.

"We're human beings, too, so there are feelings, but we understand this is a team sport, and we come back together as a team," Kaine said.

After weeks of not speaking to each other, Obama last month reached out to President Clinton and asked him for help winning the White House. Clinton had portrayed Obama as too inexperienced to be president.

Clinton concluded his speech by reminding governors, who are marking the association's centennial, that the issues they face today are similar to problems President Teddy Roosevelt grappled with a century ago.
Those include inequality among rich and poor, immigration and energy policy.

If those issues are dealt with, "We're about to go into the most exciting period of human history," Clinton said.

"If we don't, in the words of President Roosevelt, dark will be the future," he said. "I'm betting on light - I hope you are, too."

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Maybe i'm alone here, but I think the divisions is a GOOD thing. If everyone agrees to one ideology, one leader, and so forth its not America anymore....

However, we need to get real....Big Grin
 
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And this is nothing but an excuse for the current president to not accept responsibility for his actions. Roll Eyes
 
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And this is nothing but an excuse for the current president to not accept responsibility for his actions. Roll Eyes


That makes absolutely no sense at all. Clinton is referring to the deep divisions within his own party, many of which he is directly responsible for. How that relates to the incumbent president defies logic, although I am certain you will attempt to do so.
 
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Why does he even matter anymore? He's irrelevant.
 
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Clinton will never take responsibility for anything. It's not him who has the problem , it's everyone else. His sense of entitlement is astonishing. Takes a " unique " kind of personality to achieve his plateau of grandiose illusions. But it's true, he is irrelevant. Totally.
 
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Why does he even matter anymore? He's irrelevant.


COMMENT: Agreed. Mr. Clinton has become a political footnote in the relevancy of today's politics. He is just not important anymore.
 
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Why does he even matter anymore? He's irrelevant.


COMMENT: Agreed. Mr. Clinton has become a political footnote in the relevancy of today's politics. He is just not important anymore.


Not true. He is very important to the Republicans as a scapegoat.
 
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Why does he even matter anymore? He's irrelevant.


COMMENT: Agreed. Mr. Clinton has become a political footnote in the relevancy of today's politics. He is just not important anymore.


Not true. He is very important to the Republicans as a scapegoat.


As is Bush to the Democrats.
 
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Clinton's not even a scapegoat--he's just in limbo between being in the White House and being evaluated in a real historic sense. Get back to me in thirty years or so--if I'm still alive....
 
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Why does he even matter anymore? He's irrelevant.


COMMENT: Agreed. Mr. Clinton has become a political footnote in the relevancy of today's politics. He is just not important anymore.


Not true. He is very important to the Republicans as a scapegoat.


As is Bush to the Democrats.




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Why does he even matter anymore? He's irrelevant.


COMMENT: Agreed. Mr. Clinton has become a political footnote in the relevancy of today's politics. He is just not important anymore.


Not true. He is very important to the Republicans as a scapegoat.


As is Bush to the Democrats.




Hey your finally catching on.... Applause Applause Applause


Finally catching on? Darlin' I'm looking at you through my rear view mirror. Wink
 
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Why does he even matter anymore? He's irrelevant.


COMMENT: Agreed. Mr. Clinton has become a political footnote in the relevancy of today's politics. He is just not important anymore.


Not true. He is very important to the Republicans as a scapegoat.


As is Bush to the Democrats.


In a few more months. But for now he is the guy who is actually responsible.
 
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Clinton will never take responsibility for anything. It's not him who has the problem , it's everyone else. His sense of entitlement is astonishing. Takes a " unique " kind of personality to achieve his plateau of grandiose illusions. But it's true, he is irrelevant. Totally.


For the impeached pervert, it always boils down to: No pride, no shame. Roll Eyes


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Current hatred for Bush by some finds it's roots in past hatred of Clinton by others. It's a cycle of hate (and "payback") that should finally end now that no Bush or Clinton will be POTUS in 2009.

I think they both were pretty crappy as President but only a fool would suggest that George Bush was a better President for America than Bill Clinton, but fools are easy to come by these days.
 
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Current hatred for Bush by some finds it's roots in past hatred of Clinton by others. It's a cycle of hate (and "payback") that should finally end now that no Bush or Clinton will be POTUS in 2009.

I think they both were pretty crappy as President but only a fool would suggest that George Bush was a better President for America than Bill Clinton, but fools are easy to come by these days.


I look at it a bit differently. Those who have low morals and standards seem to cling to and defend Clinton, while those of us grateful for the return of dignity and decency to the Oval Office are partial to President Bush. It's the old good v. evil spectrum and wherever one falls on that line.


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the return of dignity and decency to the Oval Office


 
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Flawed as he was, Clinton led the USA though eight years of peace and amazing prosperity. He balanced the budget and reduced the national debt. He's still popular around the world and in the USA and would have been reelected except for the 22nd Amendment.

In contrast, the current occupant of the White House and many of his deputies won't be able to leave the USA after leaving office.

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and guess who gets slammed starting 1/20/09???

Thats right the sitting president today


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Current hatred for Bush by some finds it's roots in past hatred of Clinton by others. It's a cycle of hate (and "payback") that should finally end now that no Bush or Clinton will be POTUS in 2009.

I think they both were pretty crappy as President but only a fool would suggest that George Bush was a better President for America than Bill Clinton, but fools are easy to come by these days.


I look at it a bit differently. Those who have low morals and standards seem to cling to and defend Clinton, while those of us grateful for the return of dignity and decency to the Oval Office are partial to President Bush. It's the old good v. evil spectrum and wherever one falls on that line.


COMMENT: Where is the "dignity and decency" in absurd record high deficits, investigations of war crimes, and historically low public approval of job performance? That doesn't even define a phyrrhic victory for Mr. Bush.
 
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Flawed as he was, Clinton led the USA though eight years of peace and amazing prosperity. He balanced the budget and reduced the national debt. He's still popular around the world and in the USA and would have been reelected except for the 22nd Amendment.

In contrast, the current occupant of the White House and many of his deputies won't be able to leave the USA after leaving office.

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President Clinton rode a dot.com boom. He never had to cope with 9/11. Regarding popularity around the world...ho hum. Sleeping
 
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Current hatred for Bush by some finds it's roots in past hatred of Clinton by others. It's a cycle of hate (and "payback") that should finally end now that no Bush or Clinton will be POTUS in 2009.

I think they both were pretty crappy as President but only a fool would suggest that George Bush was a better President for America than Bill Clinton, but fools are easy to come by these days.


I look at it a bit differently. Those who have low morals and standards seem to cling to and defend Clinton, while those of us grateful for the return of dignity and decency to the Oval Office are partial to President Bush. It's the old good v. evil spectrum and wherever one falls on that line.


COMMENT: Where is the "dignity and decency" in absurd record high deficits, investigations of war crimes, and historically low public approval of job performance? That doesn't even define a phyrrhic victory for Mr. Bush.


Unlike the impeached pervert/sexual predator/criminal, President Bush is a man of honor, family values, high moral standards and self respect ... no matter how much you pound your fists and stamp your feet.

We're back to discussing good v. evil when comparing the two. Razz


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Why does he even matter anymore? He's irrelevant.


COMMENT: Agreed. Mr. Clinton has become a political footnote in the relevancy of today's politics. He is just not important anymore.


Not so sir. He can still do two things: Raise tons of money, and get the repubs panties all ruffled. Big Grin
 
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Why does he even matter anymore? He's irrelevant.


COMMENT: Agreed. Mr. Clinton has become a political footnote in the relevancy of today's politics. He is just not important anymore.


Not so sir. He can still do two things: Raise tons of money, and get the repubs panties all ruffled. Big Grin


He can also remind men everywhere of what they don't want to become.

I quote Kahlil Gibran:

I have learned silence from the talkative
tolerance from the tolerant
and kindness from the unkind.

I shall NOT be ungrateful to these teachers.

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That little quote always reminds me that everyone has something to teach us. Even if it's how we don't want to become. So, yes, Slick still has some value. He's the poster boy of a life gone so miserably wrong and a man who has so very much to answer for. Hell awaits. Dvlish


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well one thing I learned in life is even the greatest of men often fail. It is not the end of the world, nor will it automatically result in a one way ticket to he double hockey sticks. all he has to do is ask the Almighty for forgiveness. God will grant it if he does....unlike some around here.
 
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Peter gave you the keys?

well one thing I learned in life is even the greatest of men often fail. It is not the end of the world, nor will it automatically result in a one way ticket to he double hockey sticks. all he has to do is ask the Almighty for forgiveness. God will grant it if he does....unlike some around here.


We basically share the same fundamental belief, dmuhler. As long as a person is alive and breathing, they have a chance at eternity. However, regarding Slick, I believe him to be sheer evil and void of a conscience. Evil does prowl the earth and I believe him to be in that category - and he doesn't want out. It suits him. And that's why I believe he's willingly going to hell.


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Flawed as he was, Clinton led the USA though eight years of peace and amazing prosperity. He balanced the budget and reduced the national debt.
You'll note that he got seriously started on it in 1994 ... when he got a Republican Congress with which to partner. We didn't do so hot from 92-94. Similarly we didn't do so hot with Republicans owning the Senate, House, and Administration from 2002-2006. Personally, I hope that the division of power continues.
 
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Current hatred for Bush by some finds it's roots in past hatred of Clinton by others. It's a cycle of hate (and "payback") that should finally end now that no Bush or Clinton will be POTUS in 2009.

I think they both were pretty crappy as President but only a fool would suggest that George Bush was a better President for America than Bill Clinton, but fools are easy to come by these days.


I look at it a bit differently. Those who have low morals and standards seem to cling to and defend Clinton, while those of us grateful for the return of dignity and decency to the Oval Office are partial to President Bush. It's the old good v. evil spectrum and wherever one falls on that line.


COMMENT: Where is the "dignity and decency" in absurd record high deficits, investigations of war crimes, and historically low public approval of job performance? That doesn't even define a phyrrhic victory for Mr. Bush.


Unlike the impeached pervert/sexual predator/criminal, President Bush is a man of honor, family values, high moral standards and self respect ... no matter how much you pound your fists and stamp your feet.

We're back to discussing good v. evil when comparing the two. Razz


COMMENT: "Pound my fists and stamp my feet?" You're joking, right? I'm not a Bill Clinton defender, fan, or advocate; I disagreed with many of his policies and the arrogance of his administration. But Mr. Bush has no claim of a higher moral ground in his public service based on flawed policies that have hurt this nation and many of its citizens. Mr. Bush is a decent, respectable person as a private citizen; as president he is no example of moral grandeur in the performance of his duties. Good versus evil between Mr. Clinton and Mr. Bush? Neither is evil; both have flaws. Claim the moral high ground as you wish for Mr. Bush while his respect as president flounders and fails with the majority of his countrymen.
 
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Why does he even matter anymore? He's irrelevant.


COMMENT: Agreed. Mr. Clinton has become a political footnote in the relevancy of today's politics. He is just not important anymore.


Not so sir. He can still do two things: Raise tons of money, and get the repubs panties all ruffled. Big Grin


He can also remind men everywhere of what they don't want to become.

I quote Kahlil Gibran:

I have learned silence from the talkative
tolerance from the tolerant
and kindness from the unkind.

I shall NOT be ungrateful to these teachers.

~~~~~~~~

That little quote always reminds me that everyone has something to teach us. Even if it's how we don't want to become. So, yes, Slick still has some value. He's the poster boy of a life gone so miserably wrong and a man who has so very much to answer for. Hell awaits. Dvlish


COMMENT: Have you been watching too many re-plays of "Elmer Gantry?" Jesus forgives all sins and gives redemption, but somehow you must live in an Old Testament world of "fire and brimstone."
 
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Clinton will never take responsibility for anything. It's not him who has the problem , it's everyone else. His sense of entitlement is astonishing. Takes a " unique " kind of personality to achieve his plateau of grandiose illusions. But it's true, he is irrelevant. Totally.


For the impeached pervert, it always boils down to: No pride, no shame. Roll Eyes


Don't you mean an acquitted pervert?
An impeachment is nothing more than the accusation of a crime. Or do you think that Bush is a traitor because some have accused him of it?
 
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