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Set This World Ablaze |
1. Is the pay really tax-free?
2. What are the best companies to work for? 2. Can civilians working in Iraq/Afghan/Kuwait posses and carry a firearm for personal protection? Thanks. |
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"At last, the Mighty Hampster of War is unleashed" |
1. Only the first 84,000 is tax free, provided you are out of the U.S. for 331 days out of 365 with the timer starting once you leave the states.
2. I've personally worked with ITT Industries and LSI. ITT wasn't too bad, but LSI was. Have friends working for Honeywell that like that company. More than that I can't help. 3. NO. If you are caught with a firearm, you will be sent home. If you are allowed a firearm, it will be issued. |
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1. As Cajun says.
2. Depends on your skills and preferences. There are many jobs in many specialties. There are IT jobs, vehicle maintenance jobs, administrative jobs, dog handler jobs, intelligence analysts, food service, advisor/trainer jobs, and other strange stuff. Go to Monster.com and do a search using "iraq" or "afghanistan" as a keyword. 3. Depends on the employer - obviously Private Security Company contractors like Blackwater and Dyncorp are carrying weapons. Most do not allow it, and military and State Dep. regs will also prevent it unless required for work. |
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Highly Experienced Member |
KBR is who I worked for. You work 7 days a week for 12 hours a day with about 10 days off every 4 months. They have many, many different jobs.
The first $84,000 is tax-free as stated above.  |
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Set This World Ablaze |
Not being able to posses/carry for personal protection is a deal breaker for me.
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Unless you are working for a PSC, it's unlikely that you will be able to carry a weapon. There are a couple of exceptions.
In the IZ or a large FOB, you should be behind multiple layers of security. Really, the main worry is indirect fire, and carrying a weapon is no help there. The other issue with weapons is securing them - trailers are not that secure. Diplomatic Security Service requires you to have authorization to carry in the US Embassy compound, and it's on a required for work basis. There was a crackdown about three years ago, after several incidents of negligent discharges and reckless gunplay, so the "Wild West" atmosphere that prevailed in 2003 and into 2004 is gone. Another aspect is drinking - KBR used to allow their employees to drink, but no longer. Some companies and gov't departments follow General Order 1, others don't. |
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Set This World Ablaze |
No drinking either?
 What's next, no porno? |
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Things vary from contractor to contractor. For example, Blackwater can drink, but Dyncorp can't, even though they have almost the same duties.
G.O. no. 1 also bans porn. I don't if, or how all contractors enforce that. Maybe GW can weigh in, but I believe that KBR is pretty strict on a lot of "human resources" stuff, including fraternizing with the "customer," that is, US military and government. If you tell us something about your skills, former MOS, military and civilian experience, someone could suggest a contractor to apply to. |
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Highly Experienced Member |
ensure you get the credentials, training and experience required first,.....let them recruit you......check them all out, play them against each other if you will... then select the one that will benefit you the most for now and later.... take your time, no need to rush, they'll be plenty of waste for you to benefit from for a very long time.
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"At last, the Mighty Hampster of War is unleashed" |
I was in HR for a subcontractor of KBR in 2004-2005. We followed KBR guidance and had additional rules as well. Most of the contractors won't go looking for porn on a personal laptop without a good reason, but if they find out about it or someone complains, you'll be on the next plane home. Same deal with mingling with customers... get caught and you'll be home soon after. Drinking, weapons, & illegal "war trophies" are all also things that will all get you a ticket home, and fast. |
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New Member |
Hey, I'm new here. Peace to all, just wondering about the civilian contractor jobs. I have some experience, I went through basic training at ft. benning, but was discharged for medical reasons, and did not graduate.
I signed up regular army to go nail some haji's, and bring peace, and whatnot. I still have the drive for that. But, officially I have no experience. Is there any chance in hell that a contractor would pick me up? I'm not some retard looking to shoot people, but it does anger me watching cnn and seeing all the death. Especially today, with the 9 dead in Afghanistan. So, anything? |
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''Dance like no one is watching" |
How long you been thinking about going over there? I have a civvie friend that's going over there(Iraq) in a few days. She's going to be an executive asst. I asked her if she had to walk around with escorts and she looked at me like I was crazy..the answer was no. If they don't issue you a gun, that's probably b/c you are in an area that's considered pretty safe. "It is the weak who are cruel. Gentleness can only be expected from the strong" -- Leo Roskin |
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Highly Experienced Member |
No wonder so many don't want us to leave. When the plug gets pulled, things will be worse here. Eisenhower was a prophet.
I work for a government contractor, too (non-DoD). You have to be very careful about whom you go to work for and what kind of environment you'll be in. And I'm not talking about hostile areas - I'm speaking of positions that have no long-range usefulness. The really weird thing is that so many of us live off American tax dollars. The Fed seems to be the only growth industry, and one that, like everything else, is on a bubble. |
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Highly Experienced Member |
It's a shame she has to go so far away to do that kind of work. |
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You could possibly work for KBR in a service job, but zero chance for a gunslinger private security job. The firms only take experienced people (even if the quality of experience varies). Anyways, I don't think the attitude of wanting to "nail hajis" and anger going in is the right one, either for PSCs or the military. |
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- - "to go nail some haji's, and bring peace, and whatnot." - - It sounds like you are eager to shoot & kill. Believe me that is not what is wanted in Iraq or most anywhere else. regards JakobA "Good is better than bad cause its nicer" Mammy Yokum (as related by Al Capp) |
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aka Aco275RGR Banned Member S_S |
I disagree, you're job is to a be a stone cold killer. You will not think of the consequences because that has already been decided by higher, you will feel no remorse because that is on highers shoulders...
He is just another tactical instrument, have fun and good luck... |
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New Member |
I signed up regular army, 11bravo. I was in for the fight. Sorry for the derogatory terms for those upstanding middle eastern men who like to blow up u.s soldiers.
When I was discharged it ruined what I wanted for my future. I just want to get there, secure, and make it safer for people. As my D.I. said, 'It's your job, to shoot people in the face' He was basically right. I'm not in it for a shoot em up, but I'd like to think that for each soldier gone, I could at least try to get one of the insurgents to make up for it. I hate this war. I don't care about their freedom, I care about wiping out radicals that think it's o.k to blow people up. That's about it. I'd give away my life to get a piece of them. That's really all. |
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''Dance like no one is watching" |
I think I recognize you. Does your name start with a "T"? "It is the weak who are cruel. Gentleness can only be expected from the strong" -- Leo Roskin |
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Highly Experienced Member |
Except for our troops, 93% of Americans working over in Iraq are there just for the money. They are like the Muslims themselves. Milk the system, make the money, come home buy a new car, talk bad about how it was over there.
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you really believe the crap you write? |
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Highly Experienced Member |
Yes. 87% of the time. |
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I GUESS YOU KNOW CAUSE YOU'VE BEEN THERE? I think you know what the old nam saying is? "if you aint been there you dont know s&*%" |
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I think I recognize you. Does your name start with a "T"?[/QUOTE]
Unless you were at Ft. Benning through Aug-Dec '05, no. I just woke up, and it's the same thing. Same old stuff is happening. There has to be some half assed outfit that is willing to pick up some guy off the streets for this. I've even pondered saving my own money and just going there. I doubt that would work though. I need some kind of back up if that was to happen. I guess I'll just sit here and watch it all go down. If anyone knows of a company that would be great for me, or willing to take me, with weapons, please, help. I've looked up the training courses at blackwater, etc... and I figure with that under my belt? I don't know. |
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Set This World Ablaze |
Right around the time I started this thread was when I at first considered it. Applied online to some of the companies, got some info from people who've done it and in the end, I realized it would be quite an adventure, but not for me. |
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Member |
It's a violation of the UCMJ to shoot people in the face in order to make them safer. Shooting them anywhere else in order to make them safer is generally frowned upon too. |
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New Member |
I believe there is a misunderstanding. Of course, shooting a person in the face does not make them safer, it makes them dead. The ones holding an AK or an RPG, getting the shot in the face is right on. I also understand that warning shots, and shots to the limbs are a violation of the geneva conventions if threatened with deadly force. You shoot to kill. What I meant, was that the nature of my job, 11bravo, was not one of holding childrens hands and smiling, I had an m4 and was ready to watch heads explode. Get it? |
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surface warrior |
hmm, i was always trained and instructed to hit center mass. something about ucmj for aiming anywheres else. also ther if you are active you just might want to udate your profile becuase if you don't then you fall into the file as a "wanna be".
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20 day suspension mourne in silence, Nemesis |
You need some help guy!  |
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Acutally, the use of warning shots depends on ROE (Rules Of Engagement), and how/when they are used depends on EOF (Escalation Of Force) procedures. I think this guy has the right idea. We 11B's are trained to break things and kill people, period. We need more hearty young guys who want to kill bad people. Putting on a uniform and joining the combat arms is about the only way to do it legally, at least on a bigger scale. Of course, you have to practice target ID, esp in an urban environment with lots of COB's (Civilians On Battlefield), but that's why you train hard, and part of the point of shooting to kill is to decrease the chance of a target suffering, as sick as that may sound - works for horses right? Weak stomachs are like candy to terrorists. |
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