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"I'm your Huckleberry" |
Now that the US and Poland have inked the deal. Russian Generals say Poland has opened themselves to attack.If this happens will the US resond with military support ie troops if a war between Poland and Russia breaks out?
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Proud to be a Christian, gun owning, American veteran and redneck. God bless the USA and our vets! ------------------  Proud Member ------------------  |
If we do then you can color us stupid with no fear of going outside the lines. We don't have the manpower or the technical prowess available to accept a third front, especially with a powerhouse like Russia.
While I fully support the missile agreement between us and Poland, their borders need to stay theirs to protect. Don't think for a second that China would hesitate to bring their drinking buddy North Korea in on the hunt, and, in the words of R. Lee Ermy, we "are in for a world of ****!" America needs to allow these ****ant little conflicts to occur without playing the righteous savior at a cost we can hardly afford to finance. It's not that there is no God or that He isn't listening. You're probably just asking the wrong questions. |
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I think this has been handled as best as we can for now. Strong diplomacy is our best option in my humble opinion. Iraq is slowly becoming stabilized and we're on to Afghanistan now to finish that up. Taking on Russia would be a huge setback on both those fronts by the fact it would divert our much needed attention from those areas.
There's a time and place to deal with Russia and it's not right now. I don't advocate abandoning our allies but we have to look at the bigger picture here. Europe needs to take a lead here and they have to a certain extent. It's in thier back yard anyway. Plus I don't think President Bush wants to leave that problem hanging around the neck of the new administration. I don't think attacking Poland is imminent for the Russians either but who knows. Thier an evil bunch. |
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How many times does it have to be said before it sinks in? We don't HAVE any troops to send anywhere without stripping them from current operations in Iraq and Afghanistan. And, no additional manpower is in the pipeline for years. It boggles my mind when folks here so casually talk about "sending troops" to Georgia or Ukraine or Poland or the Philippines or Darfur or wherever. Don't y'all get it yet? There aren't any! |
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Suspended: 20 days. Stillkit |
OK, then let's send chickenhawks.  |
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Exactly the reason for the big talk and bold actions from Russia. |
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.... the best things are free. (Albert Schweizer) |
Russia's cautions are the rhetoric.Missles installed at us never will be used. but they are indispensable to act deterrently. thats all. by the way , I am not a dreamer - and I never counted on help of American tanks. be serious :-) . Poland -its NOT the same kind of possible area of war conflict as Iraq or Afg.
- minutes will decide. today , and in the nearest time a main threat for the worlds peace will be China and it will not change this nor the Georgian incident called out by the not too responsible President of Georgia nor shoutings of Russia. I am astounded which slight one treats China in America - doing nothing to become more independent economically from China. America on the own wish closes factories and productions - activity completely not responsible. the financing by China of the American deficit I consider the greatest threat - twice greater than the possibility of the attack of Russia. why you do not reflect in America on it ? its sad situation.. |
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GONE 8 Nov Fin |
A good time to reinstate the draft, give all these panzy azz liberals a chance to show their love of the US> |
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Yes, & if they do reinstate the draft,I can thihnk of several members of Congress who should be called up first. Reid,Schumer.... |
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Typical "bluff and bluster" from the Russians who are so well schooled in the Soviet tradition of threats and intimidation.
If anyone ever had any doubts about Mr. Putin's "true colors," the Russian reaction in Georgia and the absurd comments about a nuclear attack on Poland typify that his heart is embedded in his Soviet / KGB past. He's nothing more than a petty tyrant and bully and exemplifies histoic Russian paranoia and inferiority. |
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It seems like some folks live in a complete alternate reality. Sort of like Hitler moving non-existent divisions around and planning brilliant counter attacks with non-existent troops while the allies were assaulting Berlin. |
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Stillkit |
That's EXACTLY what it's like! Good job! |
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Stillkit |
All that appears to be true. The question is why we're not taking Russia's attitudes into consideration when making such moves as basing missles and Patriots in Poland. What they think DOES make a difference. |
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Many here have discussed and posted on the dangers that china presents, both militarily and economicaly. They are not the hot topic at the moment. |
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Poland is a member of NATO and borders european NATO countries, so should Russia invade they'll have to face the full brunt of NATO's military capability............ HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Proud to be a Christian, gun owning, American veteran and redneck. God bless the USA and our vets! ------------------ Proud Member ------------------ |
Minus the United States, you mean 3 canoes, 2 hang gliders and a set of cap pistols? Bring it, NATO! Scream enough obscenities, maybe they'll retreat. (I keed, I keed!) It's not that there is no God or that He isn't listening. You're probably just asking the wrong questions. |
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We've been hearing about manpower shortages in the military, troops pullig two-three tours in combat zone. Now the Russia thing. It is not popular but it is time for the draft.
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Germany might still roll the panzers thru Brandenburg gate, they'd just have to roll them over Greens Party protesters...
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Stillkit |
Yeah, I'm sure the Russki's are trembling in their boots over that threat.  I can see it now: France commits a whole battalion, but without air support. They'll go anywhere and do anything, so long as the American's will fly cover. The Dutch are on-board with their whole force...a mounted Brigade. The Germans will only go if the protestors don't mind and only as far as their border. Their troops won't be allowed near the actual fighting, either. But, they'll be happy to support infrastructure re-building after the fighting is over. The Baltic States will keep theirs at home to put on a show of resisting the Russian onslaught. Great Britain will send whatever they don't have in Iraq and Afghanistan, but their Navy won't enter the Baltic. Too dangerous, you see. Turkey will deploy it's whole Army, but point it south toward Kurdistan. The US will send whatever elements of the 1st ID and 1st AD which aren't already someplace else, but only if the Rad's can provide the rail lift. (They won't. The unions will strike.) All the rest will be perfectly willing, but only so long as they serve under their own commanders and don't have to take orders from anyone else. |
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Perhaps if we give up Georgia they will sign a non-agression pact.
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the idea of counting on NATO leaves me cold.. and nothing against NATO per se, just historically decentralized (and even centralized) polyglot forces have fared poorly in combat.. If each country were given its own sector of operations it might be doable, but as has been pointed out, no one NATO country has a large enough military to be viable.. never mind the resolve (or lack thereof) of the member nations....
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Hi NOVA. I was wondering what your viewpoint is on this situation. You've probably had dealings with Russia I assume...on some level...and was wondering what is your assessment . How do you think we should handle this? I just see diplomacy for now. But thier making me nervous and I don't trust Putin or his ambitions, for a second. How far do you think they'd take this " confrontation" with the West. |
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Stillkit |
I'd be OK with that if it included Ted Turner and Elton John, both of whom live in Atlanta.  |
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NATO is a joke. Look no farther than thier co-operation in A-stan. There is 3 members there that are bound by so many caveats and ROE's, wat good are they? Australia is not even a member, and they are up to thier necks in combat ops. The Europeans, as a whole, need to spend more on defense than they do now. Germany spends 1.5% of thier GDP on defense. Thats why they are a magnet for arabs and other groups who want to live off the state and breed like rats. In the coming years, the open door policies are going to be ruinous to countries like Germany, and France. NATO has no bite, just alot of cowardly leaders who refuse to honor thier agreements.
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I wonder how many of Putin's KGB pals are now millionaire gangsters, operating all over the world. The Russians have more $, they have more weapons, and balls than the Italian Mafia ever did. |
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1 thing you can count on from NATO's European members, Don't count on them at all. Spain, Italy, Germany: They will not fight, look at thier commitment in A-stan. NATO is a paper tiger, the Russians know it too. Have another DAB and a brat, it will go away... |
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All 3 NATO countries mentioned have suffered casualties in Afghanistan. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coalition_casualties_in_Afghanistan |
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Not to mention a few more... |
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Hey wait a minute! I live near Atlanta. Lol.
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COMMENT: Patriot, I have very limited background with Russia or Europe except a short tour that I served as a planner in NATO AFSOUTH headquarters in Naples, Italy. But I think that we're essentially restricted to diplomacy; we really have very limited options that I can see. Putin and Medvedev really are "digging in their heels" more than I anticipated, and it appears that they're serious about their rhetoric about not needing the WTO or other ties with the West, including breaking diplomatic relations. They seem to believe that the West has more to lose by failing relations with Moscow than Russia would suffer. That is obviously a very discouraging attitude to confront. Interestingly, those who have been especially victimized by the former Soviets -- the Baltic states. Poland, and Ukraine -- favor maintaining a hard line against Moscow's brutish attitude and aggression. Now that Russia's two legislative houses have endorsed the independence of Abkhazia and South Ossetia, it seems that the best that we can do is encourage Western European solidarity in not recognizing their status as "nations" and continue to marginalize Russia diplomatically and economically where we can. Georgia is not a national security interest, but we must continue to seek some means of ratcheting down this confrontation while registering diplomatic resistance to Russia's actions; otherwise, we show a lack of resolve for the defense of a new democratic state. We can't allow this to fester into a loss of meaningful interaction with Moscow. We may have to experience a change of U.S. administration to gain an opportunity for "fresh air" with Moscow as we did with Iran during the hostage crisis in 1979-80. |
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