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Far East Ambassador and Cultural Liason Has Been 4> |
Canadian Health Care We So Envy Lies In Ruins, Its Architect Admits
As this presidential campaign continues, the candidates' comments about health care will continue to include stories of their own experiences and anecdotes of people across the country: the uninsured woman in Ohio, the diabetic in Detroit, the overworked doctor in Orlando, to name a few. But no one will mention Claude Castonguay — perhaps not surprising because this statesman isn't an American and hasn't held office in over three decades. Castonguay's evolving view of Canadian health care, however, should weigh heavily on how the candidates think about the issue in this country. Back in the 1960s, Castonguay chaired a Canadian government committee studying health reform and recommended that his home province of Quebec — then the largest and most affluent in the country — adopt government-administered health care, covering all citizens through tax levies. The government followed his advice, leading to his modern-day moniker: "the father of Quebec medicare." Even this title seems modest; Castonguay's work triggered a domino effect across the country, until eventually his ideas were implemented from coast to coast. Four decades later, as the chairman of a government committee reviewing Quebec health care this year, Castonguay concluded that the system is in "crisis." "We thought we could resolve the system's problems by rationing services or injecting massive amounts of new money into it," says Castonguay. But now he prescribes a radical overhaul: "We are proposing to give a greater role to the private sector so that people can exercise freedom of choice." Castonguay advocates contracting out services to the private sector, going so far as suggesting that public hospitals rent space during off-hours to entrepreneurial doctors. He supports co-pays for patients who want to see physicians. Castonguay, the man who championed public health insurance in Canada, now urges for the legalization of private health insurance. In America, these ideas may not sound shocking. But in Canada, where the private sector has been shunned for decades, these are extraordinary views, especially coming from Castonguay. It's as if John Maynard Keynes, resting on his British death bed in 1946, had declared that his faith in government interventionism was misplaced. What would drive a man like Castonguay to reconsider his long-held beliefs? Try a health care system so overburdened that hundreds of thousands in need of medical attention wait for care, any care; a system where people in towns like Norwalk, Ontario, participate in lotteries to win appointments with the local family doctor. Years ago, Canadians touted their health care system as the best in the world; today, Canadian health care stands in ruinous shape. Sick with ovarian cancer, Sylvia de Vires, an Ontario woman afflicted with a 13-inch, fluid-filled tumor weighing 40 pounds, was unable to get timely care in Canada. She crossed the American border to Pontiac, Mich., where a surgeon removed the tumor, estimating she could not have lived longer than a few weeks more. The Canadian government pays for U.S. medical care in some circumstances, but it declined to do so in de Vires' case for a bureaucratically perfect, but inhumane, reason: She hadn't properly filled out a form. At death's door, de Vires should have done her paperwork better. De Vires is far from unusual in seeking medical treatment in the U.S. Even Canadian government officials send patients across the border, increasingly looking to American medicine to deal with their overload of patients and chronic shortage of care. Since the spring of 2006, Ontario's government has sent at least 164 patients to New York and Michigan for neurosurgery emergencies — defined by the Globe and Mail newspaper as "broken necks, burst aneurysms and other types of bleeding in or around the brain." Other provinces have followed Ontario's example. Canada isn't the only country facing a government health care crisis. Britain's system, once the postwar inspiration for many Western countries, is similarly plagued. Both countries trail the U.S. in five-year cancer survival rates, transplantation outcomes and other measures. The problem is that government bureaucrats simply can't centrally plan their way to better health care. A typical example: The Ministry of Health declared that British patients should get ER care within four hours. The result? At some hospitals, seriously ill patients are kept in ambulances for hours so as not to run afoul of the regulation; at other hospitals, patients are admitted to inappropriate wards. Declarations can't solve staffing shortages and the other rationing of care that occurs in government-run systems. Polls show Americans are desperately unhappy with their system and a government solution grows in popularity. Neither Sen. Obama nor Sen. McCain is explicitly pushing for single-payer health care, as the Canadian system is known in America. "I happen to be a proponent of a single-payer health care program," Obama said back in the 1990s. Last year, Obama told the New Yorker that "if you're starting from scratch, then a single-payer system probably makes sense." As for the Republicans, simply criticizing Democratic health care proposals will not suffice — it's not 1994 anymore. And, while McCain's health care proposals hold promise of putting families in charge of their health care and perhaps even taming costs, McCain, at least so far, doesn't seem terribly interested in discussing health care on the campaign trail. However the candidates choose to proceed, Americans should know that one of the founding fathers of Canada's government-run health care system has turned against his own creation. If Claude Castonguay is abandoning ship, why should Americans bother climbing on board? Gratzer is a senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute and a physician licensed in both the U.S. and Canada, where he received his medical training. His newest book, "The Cure: How Capitalism Can Save American Health Care," is now available in paperback. |
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Highly Experienced Member |
There are so many reasons socialized medicine doesn't work. BUT our capitalism based "for profit" system also doesn't meet the needs of many middle class Americans. Factor in abuse and fraud to complete the picture of a broken medical delivery system.
The big question President Obama will address is how to deliver health care to the majority of Americans at a reasonable cost. It's going to be a mess as ususal when big government takes a top down approach. |
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Far East Ambassador and Cultural Liason Has Been 4> |
And thats why McCains plan is better. |
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Suspended Troll. |
Just some Canadian wanting to jump on the HMO bandwagon and make some $$$$; and what better way to do it than to criticize the current system (contrary to popular belief)
No matter how you spin it, our system sukz.
It seems to work just fine in England, France, Scandinavia, Germany, Denmark, Switzerland....the list goes on and on. |
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Highly Experienced Member |
Anecdotal articles I've read suggests not. Socialized delevery of medical services rations those services. The triage procedures fail in many cases. |
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Thats actually not the case. In every single example there are issues. Of course the issues vary from system to system. But there is no silver bullet. There is no medical utopia. The question really comes down to which of the down sides is the most acceptable. |
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Maybe somebody should tell the Canadians that their healthcare system is in shambles. They don't seem to know it....
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Suspended Troll. |
Of course there are issues, like you said “There is no medical utopia”; but theirs is undeniably much better when it comes to overall coverage, cost & service. |
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Basic Training |
Gunny is right---Canadian health system is broken and I don't have the time, or expertise to go into all that is wrong, but appears Obama and Hillary are still salavating over what must be the American way for the future, and Savior Obama talks like already elected. Right now I'm 63, have Medicare, got it at 61 for being 100% disabled and also have Tricare for Life. My Dr. visits are zero and scripts average $3. Were it not for that, I'd already be in a pine box as one script for 6 boxes @24 tablets per box still costs me $3, but w/o insurance--$8400 for the 6 boxes. At the Pharmacy yesterday, there was a lady in front of me who had no insurance and was told he total cost was $1246. No, leave Canada in Canada. I've heard too many horror stories--and most are about the Democrats.
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Experienced Member |
Kinda like the triage in the VA clinic here in Tulsa moved 30 min away into Muskogie VA Hospital, where the majority of the Vets don't live. I guess it was actually getting used here in Tulsa and we can't have that now can we? |
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Highly Experienced Member |
I haven't been to Canada in 3 years but I used to go every summer. The Canadians I talked to at the resort knew their health care system was in shambles. When my granddaughter developed an ear ache I was able to go to a "Fee for Service" clinic to have her looked at and get a prescription. So much for Canadian socialized medicne. |
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Not if you have a chronic condition, terminal condition, or a life-threatening condition. |
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Experienced Member |
When I HAD health insurance and needed an operation on my knee, the diagnosis was made in September, I finally got the operation in May - In other words, a seven month wait. At this point in time since I cannot afford health insurance, I could always visit an emergency room and get the operation done in 2857... Mr Castonguay wrote his report, and the report was rejected by the government. What his report boiled down to was a cash flow problem. HIS solution to the cash flow problem was to charge more fee's, raise the sales tax, and lease some publicly used space to private interests. He's also a top executive in an insurance company that stands to benefit from these changes. Is there a groundswell of support for his suggestions? Is the average Canadian rising up to get rid of their "hated" Socialised medicine? There is after all a Political Party that wants to do away with it. Are they in the majority? strange, their not. Odd, I don't hear it. I hear quite a bit of rage and anger at their "broekn system" coming from Americans who don't live under it. But very little from there, other than the usual ideologues... Dave |
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Canada's system is a publicly financed single-payer system that only socializes the funding of the system. It is not "socialized delivery" as you incorrectly suggested. There are plenty of private hospitals, and for-profit medical delivery services. |
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Highly Experienced Member |
So those with lots of money can go to private hospitals and for-profit services. Those with limited income are stuck with the services that are available from the "single payer system." It's triage by cash rather then medical need. Not much different from here in the USA. |
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So, you effectively have your own personal version of "socialized" medical care. I'm SO happy for you. But how DARE you have the audacity to condemn people who want the same? I was working a full time civilian job AND serving in the Reserves and had NO health insurance. Finally, I got health insurance, and had one small issue, and two tests maxed out my benefits for the YEAR. I was single and I couldn't afford to purchase unsubsidized health insurance AND pay the rent. During that time, I had a knee injury for a Line of Duty accident and needed surgery, but after dealing with months of red tape, I gave up on being compensated for the time I was out of work, so I went back to work four days after surgery, on crutches, for a job that required me to be running around a laboratory. Even though TriCare was supposed to pay for treatment, here I am, a few YEARS later, trying to sort out the paperwork mistakes from the MRI and surgery that are causing thousands of dollars of medical bills to be sent to me. All this for an injury in the Line of Duty! If I'd busted my knee on my own time, I'd be flat broke. Now, most of my family is Canadian (I'm a born and raised American, so don't give me any lip for that). However, I've seen and experienced the Canadian health care system in action. IT WORKS. I'll give you an example: My cousin and his wife are both teachers, living on regular teachers' salaries - not wealthy, but not destitute. My cousin's wife was in her second pregnancy, expecting twins. An ultrasound revealed that the girl had a MAJOR heart defect - almost no walls between the chambers of the heart. Potential heart failure at any time. In addition, the placenta was beneath the kids, and if it ruptured, Nicole would have bled to death. Instead of putting her on a "waiting list", as soon as she hit the critical phase of the pregnancy (before the 3rd trimester even began), they brought her to the best hospital in the province with the best heart and neonatal specialists. They gave her a private room, and had a place for her husband to stay until he could rent an apartment in the area. She was in the hospital for almost two months before she delivered. The little boy was fine, and the girl was rushed to NICU, stabilized, and a few days later was brought in for her first of several open heart surgeries. The other twin, being a preemie, had to stay in the hospital for a few weeks. The girl was in the hospital for months. Now, they're all home, both twins are thriving... and the whole thing COST THEM NOTHING. Instead of worrying about how they were going to pay for it, they were able to focus on their babies and the important things. The doctors didn't have to wait for approval from stupid for-profit insurance companies that put the health of patients at risk. They could just take care of things. And yes, the quality of care is excellent. So, thank you for your service, my fellow veteran. However, you sit there as the government pays for your health care for the rest of your life, yet you cast a derisive scowl at those who would want the ability to go to a doctor when they're sick. I'm glad you think our system is so great. Try being on the other end. |
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Far East Ambassador and Cultural Liason Has Been 4> |
He and other vets earned it. It wasnt given to them. That is vastly different that the crap hilly and BO are peddling |
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No offense, but your understanding of the Canadian health care system is way off. |
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Highly Experienced Member |
Whirled_Peas, Things worked out well for your cousin and his wife. Stories like that happen here also.
It just doesn't work out like that all the time. It's a crap shoot, sometimes you win and sometimes you lose. AND sometimes, like yourself, you don't get to play the game. |
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