Over ten years after he was beaten beyond recognition and left to die on a fence in Wyoming, hate crimes legislation bearing his name was signed into law by President Obama.



The new law gives the Justice Department the power to investigate and prosecute bias-motivated violence where the perpetrator has selected the victim because of the person's actual or perceived race, color, religion, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity or disability.

No one deserves what this man had to endure.

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Originally posted by SeaWitch1220:
Over ten years after he was beaten beyond recognition and left to die on a fence in Wyoming, hate crimes legislation bearing his name was signed into law by President Obama.



The new law gives the Justice Department the power to investigate and prosecute bias-motivated violence where the perpetrator has selected the victim because of the person's actual or perceived race, color, religion, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity or disability.

More pandering to liberal lemmings by the Community Organizer in Chief. While our soldiers are dying in A-stan due to his public handwringing and lack of ability to make a FREAKIN decision.

ALL such crimes are HATE crimes regardless of race, creed, color, sex, etc., just enforce the laws on the books and not pass more feel good ones that actually DO nothing.

It is interesting that same-sexers can demand the names of petition signers to harass them, and harass any business who may have donated money or time on a voted issue, but now if anyone says anything against same-sexers, it could be considered "hate speach" and declared a federal crime. Talk about tilting the playing table to one side for a "special" groups starting the end of freedom of speech! Appalling . . .

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No one deserves what this man had to endure.

And adding a law that can be enhanced incrementally toward a tyrannical state is justice?

Sounds like not only Shepard paid a price during that unfortuneate incident. His name and life is conveniently used to pervert the preventative powers that (use to) limit the tyrannical abilities of a over0grown centralized gov't.

Good intentions is an ingenious method to lead the masses to totalitarianism. A method in which those in power can sneak right up to you, appearing friendly, then the full extent of the law can then be exposed and the masses subdued, all accomplished legally.

Marxists and the nazis understood the tyranny of good intentions well, but since the names have changed, history is forgotten.

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Originally posted by soscorpio:

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No one deserves what this man had to endure.

And adding a law that can be enhanced incrementally toward a tyrannical state is justice?

Sounds like not only Shepard paid a price during that unfortuneate incident. His name and life is conveniently used to pervert the preventative powers that (use to) limit the tyrannical abilities of a over0grown centralized gov't.

Good intentions is an ingenious method to lead the masses to totalitarianism. A method in which those in power can sneak right up to you, appearing friendly, then the full extent of the law can then be exposed and the masses subdued, all accomplished legally.

Marxists and the nazis understood the tyranny of good intentions well, but since the names have changed, history is forgotten.

Enhancing the sentence of a murderer leads to tyranny?

I'm sure you'll explain that one in great detail.

Would you also repeal any law enhancing the sentence for killing LEOs or pregnant women?

How about children?

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Enhancing the sentence of a murderer leads to tyranny?

I'm sure you'll explain that one in great detail.

Would you also repeal any law enhancing the sentence for killing LEOs or pregnant women?

How about children?

Life is life and death is death use to be sufficient. Those in power saw an opportunity though, and they took it. The other edge of that "enhanced" sword, will be felt by a much greater number group than the original "intention".

The beauty of laws based on good intentions is that those in power can receive accolades while they unconstituionally encroach their way toward total power. The irony would be amusing if the actions were not so disgusting.

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encroach their way toward total power.

Got tin?

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Got tin?

Where's a mod when you deserve one?

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Originally posted by SenClaghorn:

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encroach their way toward total power.

Got tin?

Can you explain how if someone took it upon themselves to kill a white child is it any different from killing a gay man?

There have been savage acts done on all races and preferences. How do they differ?

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Originally posted by SenClaghorn:

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encroach their way toward total power.

Got tin?

Can you explain how if someone took it upon themselves to kill a white child is it any different from killing a gay man?

There have been savage acts done on all races and preferences. How do they differ?

Because it is highly unlikely that the white child is targeted because it is white, whereas the gay individual is. See the difference?

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Because it is highly unlikely that the white child is targeted because it is white, whereas the gay individual is.

Are you about to make a confession?

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Originally posted by soscorpio:

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Because it is highly unlikely that the white child is targeted because it is white, whereas the gay individual is.

Are you about to make a confession?

Is that the best you got? I am not gay, but if I were, would it change the facts?

Heterosexuals are now second class citizens to homsexuals because we are now not a protected class under this statue? I thought we had this clause called "Equal Protection" where there exists one law for all and enforced evenhandedly regardless of differences.

Let me get this straight...If a homosexual beats my ass (not literal that is) he gets a mild assault charge, but if I beat his ass I get an incrased sentence? Interesting...

I'm glad name calling toward a homosexual is now a federal offense, I see nothing but love in the United States from this day forward.

C.R.

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Originally posted by greywolfghost:
It is interesting that same-sexers can demand the names of petition signers to harass them, and harass any business who may have donated money or time on a voted issue, but now if anyone says anything against same-sexers, it could be considered "hate speach" and declared a federal crime. Talk about tilting the playing table to one side for a "special" groups starting the end of freedom of speech! Appalling . . .

I don't think you understand how hate crimes work. You can say all you want against any group you like in this country - hell, if you don't believe me, just Google a Website called Stormfront.

Hate crimes do not prosecute speech by individuals against other groups or individuals, only violent actions. You can call people any name you damn well please - even hold marches against them... just don't start throwing bricks with messages through windows, burning crosses, vandalizing their property or beating people all in the name of your own bigotry. That's where the line has been drawn.

I get sick and tired of hearing morons claim that hate crimes are defined as the "thought police". The United States does not prosecute hate speech... only criminal actions.

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Is that the best you got? I am not gay, but if I were, would it change the facts?

I actually wondered if you have a deep-seated hatred toward homosexuals. You seem to believe strongly that their lives may be in more danger.

If you took one-step off your soap-box and looked upon crime data, you would see criminals are opportunists and not much concerned with the lifestyle of their victims.

You seem to be declaring some inside knowledge though, hence the question of an imminent confession.

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Originally posted by CYCLIC_RUNAWAY:
Heterosexuals are now second class citizens to homsexuals because we are now not a protected class under this statue? I thought we had this clause called "Equal Protection" where there exists one law for all and enforced evenhandedly regardless of differences.

Let me get this straight...If a homosexual beats my ass (not literal that is) he gets a mild assault charge, but if I beat his ass I get an incrased sentence? Interesting...

I'm glad name calling toward a homosexual is now a federal offense, I see nothing but love in the United States from this day forward.

C.R.

If you never saw gay bashing then you would have no clue. Fact is that many gays have been killed simply because they are gay. You would be hard pressed to prove the notion that straight are now "second class citizens".

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Hate crimes do not prosecute speech by individuals against other groups or individuals, only violent actions.

Bonesaw, respectfully, you are wrong here...The additions added to the House Resolution 2262 does now include the term "perception" meaning that if the victim perceives the comments or speech are hateful, a crime does exist.

C.R.

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You would be hard pressed to prove the notion that straight are now "second class citizens".

Really? So why am I not protected under this statue?

Are you saying gay people cannot commit "hate" crimes?

C.R.

Because you are not attacked because you are straight.

I am guessing that you have never really paid much attention to the facts of hate crimes. Never heard of the castration and hangings of blacks in the deep south during the 20s- 60s. Never paid much attention to what occurred during the 60s in San Francisco?

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You would be hard pressed to prove the notion that straight are now "second class citizens".

In a court room, with this legislation, they will have less protections than other classes.

Crimes against whites can not be prosecuted with the same advantages as other groups.

This precedent will allow a whole slew of micro-groups to be protected advantageousely.

Imagine the day when sticking a politician with a pitch-fork by the light of a torch will be considered an especially grievous act, and it can go on and on and on now that the legal precedent has been set.

The rule of men has virtually no end without an intervention by God.

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I am guessing that you have never really paid much attention to the facts of hate crimes. Never heard of the castration and hangings of blacks in the deep south during the 20s- 60s. Never paid much attention to what occurred during the 60s in San Francisco?

With proper crime solving tactics, all crime only needs their appicable punishments. Cutting the baby out of ones womb while stepping on her throat is every bit as horrendous as dragging a man behind a truck.

humanity is being duped by slick statesman to say this legislation is neccesary.

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In a court room, with this legislation, they will have less protections than other classes.

Again you have seemed to have missed the point. Straights are not targeted because they are straight. Gays are. BIG FRICKEN DIFFERENCE.

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I am guessing that you have never really paid much attention to the facts of hate crimes. Never heard of the castration and hangings of blacks in the deep south during the 20s- 60s. Never paid much attention to what occurred during the 60s in San Francisco?

WTF are you talking about? I would venture to say any violent crime has an elelemt of "hate" behind it.

Last years FBI statistics on “hate crimes” against a person’s sexual orientation:

1,521 victims of “sexual orientation” bias. However, the breakdown of these crimes is listed as:


335 were crimes of intimidation (shouting or name-calling)
448 were crimes of simple assault (defined as pushing or shoving without physical injury)
242 were crimes of aggravated assault (defined as bodily harm)

In short, there were only 242 crimes against a person’s sexual orientation that could be considered “violent.” And, twenty-seven of these bias crimes were directed against heterosexuals! All together, there were 9,535 victims of bias crimes in 2008. This includes bias against race, religion, sexual orientation, ethnicity/national origin, disability, or multiple-bias incidents.

Source: FBI Statistics

PS. It's 2009 and a half black person was recently fraudulently voted into Presidency, not hung. Get with the times.

C.R.

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PS. It's 2009 and a half black person was recently fraudulently voted into Presidency, not hung. Get with the times.

Now that is funny.

Still

Please provide information on one crime where the victim was targeted because they were white and heterosexual. Just one.

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Please provide information on one crime where the victim was targeted because they were white and heterosexual. Just one.

Reginald Denny (for being white)

C.R.

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Please provide information on one crime where the victim was targeted because they were white and heterosexual. Just one.

Na-na-nana-na-nah, my criminal got more years than your criminal and I can still walk!

Exactingly. You got zero.

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Reginald Denny

Yes a gang of gays.....