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------------------- Proud Member Derelict Veterans Group ------------------- |
In an era when our destiny is shared, power is no longer a zero-sum game. No one nation can or should try to dominate another nation. No world order that elevates one nation or group of people over another will succeed. No balance of power among nations will hold. The traditional divisions between nations of the South and the North make no sense in an interconnected world; nor do alignments of nations rooted in the cleavages of a long-gone Cold War. I just threw all my guns in the lake cause there ain't no bad people out there!
Today, let me put forward four pillars that I believe are fundamental to the future that we want for our children: non-proliferation and disarmament; the promotion of peace and security; the preservation of our planet; and a global economy that advances opportunity for all people. First, we must stop the spread of nuclear weapons, and seek the goal of a world without them. This institution was founded at the dawn of the atomic age, in part because man's capacity to kill had to be contained.[/B] For decades, we averted disaster, even under the shadow of a superpower stand-off. But today, the threat of proliferation is growing in scope and complexity. If we fail to act, we will invite nuclear arms races in every region, and the prospect of wars and acts of terror on a scale that we can hardly imagine. If we throw ours out they will too! They are just scared and need assurances from us. It's just confusion that we will attack them. A fragile consensus stands in the way of this frightening outcome, and that is the basic bargain that shapes the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. It says that all nations have the right to peaceful nuclear energy; that nations with nuclear weapons have a responsibility to move toward disarmament; and those without them have the responsibility to forsake them. The next 12 months could be pivotal in determining whether this compact will be strengthened or will slowly dissolve. We will complete a Nuclear Posture Review that opens the door to deeper cuts and reduces the role of nuclear weapons. And we will call upon countries to begin negotiations in January on a treaty to end the production of fissile material for weapons. Now is the time for all of us to do our part. Growth will not be sustained or shared unless all nations embrace their responsibilities. And that means that wealthy nations must open their markets to more goods and extend a hand to those with less, while reforming international institutions to give more nations a greater voice.Yep we need more foreign made stuff; it's not like we have enough stuff made eleswhere! With high unemployment!. And developing nations must root out the corruption that is an obstacle to progress — for opportunity cannot thrive where individuals are oppressed and business have to pay bribes. That is why we support honest police and independent judges; civil society and a vibrant private sector."Piece of Cake" No problem it can be fixed! Our goal is simple: a global economy in which growth is sustained, and opportunity is available to all. |
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SuperSpy |
Scary! Oh yeah, the part about dividing Israel up to the 1967 borders. Places a LINE right through Jerusalem. Put here is something to condsider, Israel may just have to take out Iran's Nuclear Facilities. It will be like Hades on Earth. **A World without Nukes??** Dream on... Dream on. But it is a major mistake to even THINK about that in the 21st Century!
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SuperSpy |
The Lefty's response will be: "Look at Reagan" Talking points from the central planning zone. SAME 'rebuttal' on every blog I've seen. Don't fall for it. I'm not. Quote from Reagan: " Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free."- Ronald Reagan
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Great speech!!!! He lays out a wonderful vision. We may never acheive a world free of nuclear weapons, but it's a worthy goal. |
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SuperSpy |
No THOSE countries will NOT give up their Nukes but ofcourse, the USA will, you know to set the Example. This is not a war GAME we are playing on a Nintendo. This is he REAL world. How very very NAIVE and stupid too. |
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------------------- Proud Member Derelict Veterans Group ------------------- |
In these flowery type speeches it might behoove one to realize that there are evil men on this Earth. Of course ya gotta try; but to put teeth to it is pure folly. If you don't have a deterrent and they know it; Guess what? For good or worse the genie has long been out of the bottle. Besides, based on at least my beliefs and the last I checked, the one who can make it happen has not yet come back, from say... 2009 years ago.
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You really think the US will give up it's nuclear arsenal as long as there is a single nation out there that has them? Have we pledged to give up our weapons regardless of what the rest of the world does?? |
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A worthy goal nonetheless. |
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US ARSENAL?? Here ""To get there, Obama must address the skeptics. That includes those within his own administration who doubt the wisdom of Obama's goal of "getting the world to zero" nukes.
"At the UN, Obama will be addressing three audiences: the international, the domestic, and the internal – the last being those in his administration, and particularly in the Pentagon, who do not share his vision," says Mr. Cirincione. "For the international, the message is disarmament. For the domestic, it's security. And for the internal, the message is transformational," he adds. "He's saying 'I'm serious about this. I'm going to transform US nuclear policy, not just tweak it.' " " As best as can be determined, the Disarmnent of the US and the World was his 'thesis' at Columbia U. There is a YouTube Video of him saying that he will 'disarm' the USA! Maybe people should have listened to many things he has said as Campaign Promises or just as ""JUST WORDS??"" It is not really "News" if one looks at his stance on various issues. He promised these things. |
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Experienced Member ------------------ Proud Member Derelict Veterans Group OF MUNERIS UT TOTUS (Of Service To All) ------------------ |
He was the best of the best during my lifetime. Carter, the worse of the worse with Obama coming in at a fast second. |
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SuperSpy |
You really think the US will give up it's nuclear arsenal as long as there is a single nation out there that has them? Have we pledged to give up our weapons regardless of what the rest of the world does??[/QUOTE]
It is a naive, idiotic pipedream. |
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It is a naive, idiotic pipedream.[/QUOTE] Talk about being naive, you're buying the spinning, distortion and soundbites. Really think about what you're saying for a minute and see if it passes the common sense test. Once you're done doing some critical thinking about the subject, dredge out some past Obama statements concerning the subject and see if he advocates unilaterally disarming the US while the rest of the world maintains their weapons. Once again, the tactic of the right seems to be fear mongering, lies, distortion, soundbites and misinformation. Do "Death panels" ring a bell. At least base your opposition to an idea or policy on facts instead of some made up crap. You were homeschooled, use your brain, employ some common sense and think critically. |
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I almost puke during his speech...Agh, there I go getting that taste in my mouth just thinking about all the lies he told...
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Death Panels? Just had to come at that one. Then answer this WHY DID THE DEMOCRAT CONGRESS SAY OKAY WE WILL TAKE THAT PART OUT OF THE BILL if its wasn't true?
Now talk about spin mister...You cannot get around it, thats what they said, not me or him or him, it was the DEMOCRAT Congress who said they would redrawn that part out...Now you go figure what the truth is... |
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SuperSpy |
Used up my TUMS! |
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SuperSpy |
Talk about being naive, you're buying the spinning, distortion and soundbites. Really think about what you're saying for a minute and see if it passes the common sense test. Once you're done doing some critical thinking about the subject, dredge out some past Obama statements concerning the subject and see if he advocates unilaterally disarming the US while the rest of the world maintains their weapons. Once again, the tactic of the right seems to be fear mongering, lies, distortion, soundbites and misinformation. Do "Death panels" ring a bell. At least base your opposition to an idea or policy on facts instead of some made up crap. You were homeschooled, use your brain, employ some common sense and think critically.[/QUOTE]The original quote got messed up. I blame myself. But as to the assumption that I was homeschooled, you are wrong. The YouTube Video of His "I will disarm America" is there for all to see. Actually, critical thinking and circular logic was part of my University Curriculum. I most likely have more education than 'common sense' Sometimes I wish it were otherwise. The above link is "Breaking News" so therefore, if a nuclear-free world is the goal, then, yes, the USA is part of that World. Once again, dangerous naivety from our President. I do not believe he was quite ready to Lead. Even he said so in an Interview with Steve Kroft of CBS. |
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"My word is my bond" |
BINGO.... been that way since Abel... Someone with only a sharp stone attached to a stick and a "visitor" comes along who has an iron pipe with gun powder and a round ball and magically what was theirs is now mine... for the good or bad of it back then that is just the way things were done, and if allowed today, for the good or bad of it, that is just the way things would be now. One Flag......One Heart......One Nation............EVERMORE |
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SuperSpy |
LISTEN "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fU4sVQV3Lhk" Or simply go to Youtube and type "Obama I will disarm us" From the Video description.. Quote: Obama plans to disarm America and stop military technological advances. Our military is what keeps us safe and we are the country the world depends on to keep them safe. Without our technological and our allies. Our Military needs to keep ahead of the rest of the World if the free World is to remain free." He promises to stop Military technological advances too.So he really did not lie about that. Huh??
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Wisdom from Reagan:"To sit back hoping that someday, someway, someone will make things right is to go on FEEDING THE CROCODILE, hoping he will eat you LAST--but Eat You HE WILL" Ronald Reagan
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---------------- Proud Member ---------------- |
More Reagan quotes:
How about this one:
Then there's this one from a Wall Street Journal article written by Sam Nunn, Henry Kissinger, William Perry, and George Shultz:
This little bit of panty-waistedness comes from Reagan's 1985 inaugural speech:
So how do you like him now? Or is it ok to say that if you're Reagan, but dangerous to say that if you're Obama? Now go a-way or I shall taunt you a second time! |
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SuperSpy |
Didn't you see my post where the latest 'talking points' involve Reagan?? Oh well, you are saying what all lefties say on every blog or forum I've seen. Nothing new there. But Obama is NO Reagan. LOL!! Not even close! Same old talking points from the Lefties. (Funny how the Left all says the same thing about Reagan and inserts him into BHO's views which are worlds apart). LOL!!
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SuperSpy |
Before the feeble attempts to liken Obama to Reagan become rampant, look at Reagan's quote about the CROCODILE! I just don't see BHO saying something like that at all. REAGAN WAS PEACE THROUGH STRENGTH!
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Experienced Member ------------------ Proud Member Derelict Veterans Group OF MUNERIS UT TOTUS (Of Service To All) ------------------ |
Reagan only had to attend to the Cold War. It's a bit different now throughout the world isn't it? |
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I heard the speech and found a lot of dreams that many of us have but are not feasible in this day and age. No nukes being one of them.
A country's peace is only as good as it's military! This is what stood out to me: "The test of our leadership will not be the degree to which we feed the fears and old hatreds of our people. True leadership will not be measured by the ability to muzzle decent or to intimidate and harass political opponents at home." I don't know.. seems like it's what they all do best! Him very much included. |
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"My word is my bond" |
talking about "time" to deal with things... funny that the President had "time" to be on every Sunday news show, "time" to appear on Letterman but he hasn't had "time" to review and act on McCrystals report and support the very General he appointed..... Yepper, Obama has other priorities I guess.
One Flag......One Heart......One Nation............EVERMORE |
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Experienced Member |
Perhaps when you get over yourself, you can explain to the masses how the intent of the Reagan vision is different than the Obama vision. Waiting with baited breath for your wisdom and insight. |
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Experienced Member |
Has it been delivered to the White House yet?? The request for troops hasn't. It's currently in the hands of Secratary Gates?? |
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There was no terrorism in the 80's? Those were some peaceful times in the Middle East back then! |
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