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I doubt that you will. Regardless of all its problems, I believe in America. And I believe in great Americans. The fact that two-thirds of this nation's populace is against the war in Iraq is a testament to this. And they're the best Americans too. They prove it everyday because - unlike your feelings about them - they're actually willing to live with and tolerate you. Ironic… don’t you think. |
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It's scary that people like this are products of our officer programs.
Supposed military leaders (no matter how junior) advocating arbitrary limits on first amendment rights is a frightening calculus. Of course, it's highly likely that a person whose name is "I C Buhts" is merely trolling. |
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I was beginning to think it was my imagination; I've noticed that such thinking and behavior seems to be relegated to the Army's younger Warrant Officer's! Of course, I've not personally had enough truck with the Army in general (outside of these fora) to be able to draw any firm conclusions! I have a great deal of trouble with this concept as I never met a Marine WO that I didn't think VERY highly of (especially Gunners), but it can't just be a coincidence, can it?
Thanks for saving me the difficulty of pointing that out!  It is not our belief or disbelief that can make or unmake the fact. ~ Thomas Paine |
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Read my past post, if i were a troll wouldnt I have started sooner. As for your observation of the officer program,, they ask me to fly and pick up the wounded, not make fine sounding political arguments. So whats your point, becase I value life and this country I dont deserve to be an officer? what my politcal affliation causes my to be erratic on the collective? Weak at best. 2/3 of the nation popeye(Bonesaw )? you went door to door? No? then shut up, your facts are ridiculous at best. "Supposed military leaders (no matter how junior) advocating arbitrary limits on first amendment rights is a frightening calculus".Im saying say what you want to as long as it doesnt fuel those who we are fighting. if you hate george Scream it, loud as your little v@gina will allow you but dont bring the war into it(reguardless if you feel right or wrong about it) or use the war as an excuse to promote your lifestyle. And bonesaw, morality will win, always does, since the begining of time, it always prevails no matter what group tries to snuff it out. You won the vote yet your guy didnt take office, hell we already won. You dont believe in America, you believe in yourself. Thats the liberal way,, ME ME ME, thats the definition. 2/3 of the country you talk about cant stand soldiers yet use them everyday to push their agenda. No matter If your liberal, democrat, republican, ill pick you up if your hurt on the battlefield(to include Marines), but dont think for a minute that I will ever agree with your perverse vision for America. And BTW KJ1110 im not a young Officer, Ive already left my family four times in this war, whats your contribution been? freaking private watch your lane! here it comes here it comes,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,1st AMENDMENT VIOLTATION,HATER waaaaa he wants a dictator state, he want censorship on everything waaaaaaaaaaaaaaa gimmie my free stuff,,, im a American wheres my free stuff waaaaaaaaaa you mean I have to work for a living waaaaa he wants to shoot people who disagree in the head. Come on guys this the best you got, I hope your party doesnt stake its future on jokers like you. no wait yes I do |
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While I think Griffin's comments were a clever jab at the fake holier-than-thous who put their religion on their sleeve whenever they win any of these silly awards, it still boils down to corporate business as opposed to political correctness. The networks are more interested in protecting profit margins than they are in going out on any limbs stretching the boundaries of free speech. I don't see the decision to censor her comments as an infringement on freedom of expression. I see it as a corporate move to protect business interests. And that, my friends, is what it all boils down to: the corporate profit margin.
If government had interfered, then perhaps a good argument could be made that this was a form of censorship. However, this program is sponsored by big corporations; they make the rules; the entertainers clearly understand these rules. This is the network protecting its interests; nothing less, nothing more. The comments made by the Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights is just "white noise" in the background. The real decision was made inside a corporate conference room and religion had absolutely nothing to do with it. |
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It is only offensive if the Right side does it. It is exercising constitutional rights when the left does it. It is the thought police and oppression when the Right does it. It is dissent and liberty when the left does it. Much of what the left promotes, oddly enough, rings of echoes from Vladimir Illyich when he rallied the oppressed workers and had the tsar executed. Lenin was as much a hypocrite as the leftists of today are.
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That's funny jasu2, I thought this thread was about Kathy Griffin. Since you've diverted the topic though, I'll remind you that I voted for "george" (as you call him; I prefer President Bush. So do the mods.)
People who disagree with you are not a monolithic entity. The world is not firmly entrenched into two political camps of "us" and "them." Thinking people can see that accusing people who disagree with your views on Kathy Griffin of being against the war is, (how did you put it?) "ridiculous (sic) at best."
I stand ever more firm by my earlier impression of you. You are not worthy of a commission. That quote is not leadership, it is an attitude of entitlement. |
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You wont be making the list PeteCDR
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Actually, I seem to remember Bonesaw being pretty consistent in his views on this. He gets irritated at ANYONE trying to censor speech, be they left or right. It's been that way around here for years. |
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Kool!
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Just like when someone uses "***" or "gay" as a joke? |
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Good thing for me your in charge of that department  nor does your impression of me mean anything ,, what you think officers are some sort of superace of humans? You think we dont have views on things. i imagine you were a piss poor NCO,,, does that tweak you nads? Could I have gathered that after reading a couple of post on military.com forum? What you think im gonna go in on monday and resign because of your impression?  Im not trying to lead that former private, he got out, However your ignorance of my leadership abilities is not the point. The very thing your trying to protect is the very thing you say should be taken away from me. Pathetic! Oh and if you wernt so quick on the trigger you woulda seen that I stated his fact of " 2/3 of the nation are against the war" was ridiculous I cant call him George?? Are you trying to censor me?? |
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Yeah, but look at the leftists outside the fora. Many of them have screamed "You cracker, you can't say the 'N' word!" Or they interrupt when a person from the right, or even the middle of the road, says something they don't agree with. Continually pounding their point of view and drowning out opposing views. Pounding and drowning. Pounding and drowning. That is what I call "brainwashing".
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Inexcusable. You're a pilot; nothing more. And you're right. There was a time when I was a piss-poor NCO, because I (in my opinion) advanced faster than was healthy. I learned. Apparently, some don't. It's interesting that you would use the word "was," because while piss-poor no longer applies, NCO does. As a professional E-6 I'm telling you exactly what I told a LT a few months ago. You don't deserve the responsibility given you...mainly because you act as though it's authority rather than responsibility. That's my last post on the subject in this thread. I'll engage on Kathy Griffin, political correctness, or censorship, but your inadequacies have been hashed enough. Getting back to censorship, more specifically the "george" thing...if you've been here as long as you seem to have been, and if you've been as attentive as you claim, then you'll remember that I think the "no bashing the CinC" rule is stupid. I'm pretty vocal about censorship...always against. Don't be such a tool. |
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AGAIN RE read the post,,,,, I said could I have gathered you were a piss poor nco from a couple of posts? i dont know you from squat, how could I but with your superhuman talents you could. And that LT shoulda locked you up and made you pay! i would have because I was a former NCO! and never was piss poor!
And I a DAMNED GOOD pilot, nothing more! |
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Hey, "damned good pilot", how come you ain't in the Navy as an Aviator doing carrier landings? Just curious. Had to support my fellow squid.
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Just one more indication that you don't get it, and never will. |
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Knock it off please. Discuss the topic or move on.
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Josh, here's to ya, Bubblehead.
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Sorry. I'll behave. Sir? |
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I personally believe that Hollywierd is more of a joke now, than ever before. Come on! An award show every month to give peer review. And many of them get away with their behavior because they have "artistic license." What a crock! KG is just another of the Hollywierd crowd, even though she is "'D' list" personality. I just think that my hard earned money is better spent on other, more rewarding things than to endorse the unwanted, foul irreverence we see on the left coast so much.
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Exactly, it was all about the Benjamins Forget the dog, Beware of Owner |
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See Toome’s post above. I would also like to point out that she didn’t call Christians names. She didn’t even call Jesus a name. Your analogy would be better suited in an argument about the Seinfeld guy that went on his “n” word rant… |
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she is an idiot... i never did like her much.. her voice is annoying as hell....
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Sorry folks. I like Kathy Griffin. About 90% of her humor has me either grinning or laughing out loud. The remaining 10% has me going "HUH!" Granted, some of what she says is not just offensive, but can be extremely offensive. I look at it as what it is....an attempt to offend. It is her stock in trade.
If you like the humor, watch her and laugh. If you don't want to be offended, don't watch. PC people seem to believe that they have a constitutional right NOT to be offended. I (just for the heck of it) have just re-read the Constitution....I can't find that particular right anywhere....can you? |
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I have to point out that while Kathy Griffin certainly doesn't hesitate to bash celebrities, make fun of the current (or any other) administration, and seek to offend for the sake of humor, she is one celebrity who consistently goes to places like Iraq to visit the troops. And when I say visit the troops, she also visits the wounded at the hospitals.
She doesn't balk to share her views of our involvement in Iraq, but I think she's entitled because she's seeing things firsthand; she's talking to troops who survived roadside IEDs; she's even gone through the tragedy of talking to one troop one day and then learning the next day that he was killed. So my hat's off to her for being the real thing even though I don't agree with her political views. She at least walks the walk and doesn't pay lip service to supporting the troops like a lot of other Hollywood fakes do. |
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My point is that a joke is a joke. Why say well its ok for some one to say "Suck it, Jesus." but dam them if they use a gay joke? Further more when she said "I hope I offended some people." That shows there was no joke involved. I personaly dont care what she said shes not funny by anymeans. My concern is when it starts to become a double standard. |
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Peace through air and space Power.... USAF Lifer, retired  |
Until I read this post I never even heard of this lady, But not surprising as I must admit I'm really not into watching people making a fool out of themselves or someone else to get a laugh.
I have noticed for those that do...they always seem to pick a target to criticize that that usually don't bite back. But of course for something like this to happen is not surprising since the world is full comedians, most of them without trying to be. Humor is a wonderful thing and free speech is a right in this country, but sometimes one should engage one's brain before engaging their vocal cords... realizing their humor or derogatory remarks can offend others to a point that the criticism or humor really isn't that funny... and not worth the effort of defending it. I'm willing to bet that she probably does much better with someone else writing the script for her. My advice would be, don't ad-lib dear, stick with the script. I took the time to view some of her video including one in Iraq since the only thing about this lady familiar to me was her last name. So with very little introduction to this comedian I can only consider her a run-of-the-mill comedian as comedians go. She's no Bob Hope that's for sure. But I'm really not commenting as a derogatory statement toward her talent as a comedian, just her like of good taste. |
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Oh, come off it. You lesbian (wanted to throw the D word in there)! As you know, I am being playful. I love lesbians. They are my fave. As a matter of fact, I think that I am a lesbian born in a man's body. Seeing as I am such the cunning linguist. lol I must agree. I never think of Cathy Griffin as anywhere near hot. But, that pic certainly has been doctored enough for me to say that it is indeed a hot pic. Kinda makes me want to lift up that sliver of fabric to see what's a doin' with da' kitty. Hmm...  I am a big fan of red drapes that match the decor. |
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member "Ride the Lightning" |
And she's married....to a man. The HORROR!  |
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