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Characterizing sex offenders as monsters, Gov. Bobby Jindal signed legislation Wednesday that would force convicted rapists and others to undergo chemical castration.

“I am glad we have taken such strong measures in Louisiana to put a stop to these monsters’ brutal acts,” the governor said in a prepared statement.

Jindal signed Senate Bill 144 into law on the day that the U.S. Supreme Court ruled Louisiana cannot execute people who rape children under the age of 12.

The governor blasted the high court’s decision.

“I am especially glad to sign (SB144) into Louisiana law … on the same day the Supreme Court has made an atrocious ruling against our state’s ability to sentence those who sexually assault our children to the fullest extent,” he said.

SB144 is “a good bill,” Jindal said, that sends the message that Louisiana will fully punish those who harm children.

The bill’s sponsor, state Sen. Nick Gautreaux, D-Meaux, did not return a call for comment late Wednesday afternoon.

During the legislative session, Gautreaux said the bill was inspired, in part, by the crimes of the Rev. Gilbert Gauthe.

Gauthe, a Roman Catholic priest, pleaded guilty in 1985 to molesting a number of boys in Vermilion Parish. He was arrested earlier this year near Galveston for allegedly failing to register as a sex offender.

The bill would allow judges to order chemical castrations for convicted rapists and other sex offenders.

Most debate about the bill during the legislative session centered on which crimes should apply.

Originally, the legislation was written broadly, extending to crimes like simple kidnapping and molestation of a juvenile.

Lawmakers whittled down the list of crimes.

SB144 now applies to aggravated rape, forcible rape, second-degree sexual battery, aggravated, incest and aggravated crimes against nature.

On a first offense, a judge would have the option of ordering injections of medroxyprogesterone acetate, which suppresses a man’s sex drive by reducing testosterone levels.

The injections would be mandatory on a second offense.

The castration treatments would start no later than a week before an incarcerated offender’s release from prison.



Expect a Supreme Court challenge as soon as someone is sentenced to be sterilized. Skinner v. State of Oklahoma ruled that sterilization as a punishment only for certain crimes violated the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. This law would therefore seem to be prohibited by that decision.

(crossposted from ITN because ITN doesn't seem to get much traffic after it narrowly avoided closure)
 
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Characterizing sex offenders as monsters, Gov. Bobby Jindal signed legislation Wednesday that would force convicted rapists and others to undergo chemical castration.

“I am glad we have taken such strong measures in Louisiana to put a stop to these monsters’ brutal acts,” the governor said in a prepared statement.

Jindal signed Senate Bill 144 into law on the day that the U.S. Supreme Court ruled Louisiana cannot execute people who rape children under the age of 12.

The governor blasted the high court’s decision.

“I am especially glad to sign (SB144) into Louisiana law … on the same day the Supreme Court has made an atrocious ruling against our state’s ability to sentence those who sexually assault our children to the fullest extent,” he said.

SB144 is “a good bill,” Jindal said, that sends the message that Louisiana will fully punish those who harm children.

The bill’s sponsor, state Sen. Nick Gautreaux, D-Meaux, did not return a call for comment late Wednesday afternoon.

During the legislative session, Gautreaux said the bill was inspired, in part, by the crimes of the Rev. Gilbert Gauthe.

Gauthe, a Roman Catholic priest, pleaded guilty in 1985 to molesting a number of boys in Vermilion Parish. He was arrested earlier this year near Galveston for allegedly failing to register as a sex offender.

The bill would allow judges to order chemical castrations for convicted rapists and other sex offenders.

Most debate about the bill during the legislative session centered on which crimes should apply.

Originally, the legislation was written broadly, extending to crimes like simple kidnapping and molestation of a juvenile.

Lawmakers whittled down the list of crimes.

SB144 now applies to aggravated rape, forcible rape, second-degree sexual battery, aggravated, incest and aggravated crimes against nature.

On a first offense, a judge would have the option of ordering injections of medroxyprogesterone acetate, which suppresses a man’s sex drive by reducing testosterone levels.

The injections would be mandatory on a second offense.

The castration treatments would start no later than a week before an incarcerated offender’s release from prison.



Expect a Supreme Court challenge as soon as someone is sentenced to be sterilized. Skinner v. State of Oklahoma ruled that sterilization as a punishment only for certain crimes violated the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. This law would therefore seem to be prohibited by that decision.

(crossposted from ITN because ITN doesn't seem to get much traffic after it narrowly avoided closure)


This will certainly be ruled as cruel and unusual punishment. Cutting offending bits off of people has never been an acceptable form of punishment in this country.
 
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I don't think they are being cut off, only rendered useless.


 
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OLiver Wendell Holmes in the "Buck" decision (which has not been reversed) said that if the state has the right to ask someone to die for his country then the sate has the right to prevent mentally and physically unfit people from reproducing.

Look up the decision if you don't believe me.
 
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Hardly a "first" ... in fact, California, the home of all that is off-the-map liberal (well, discounting Massachusettes) led the way for the rest of the nation ...

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According to Jeffrey Kirchmeier, at least six states have experimented with chemical castration laws in the United States. Those states are California, Florida, Georgia, Texas, Louisiana, and Montana. California was the first state to use chemical castration as a punishment for sex offenders. In California, judges may require first-time offenders to undergo chemical castration. After a second offense treatment is mandatory.[1][2] In Iowa and Florida chemical castration is available in all cases involving serious sex offenses. As in California treatment is mandatory after a second offense. On June 25th, 2008, the Governor of Lousiana, Bobby Jindal, signed Senate Bill 144, allowing chemical castration in the state of Louisiana for convicted rapists. [3][4][5]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_castration

Further ... it is not irreversible. It is not a "one shot" deal.

Here's the CA code:

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645.

(a) Any person guilty of a first conviction of any offense
specified in subdivision (c), where the victim has not attained 13
years of age, may, upon parole, undergo medroxyprogesterone acetate
treatment or its chemical equivalent, in addition to any other
punishment prescribed for that offense or any other provision of law,
at the discretion of the court.

(b) Any person guilty of a second conviction of any offense
specified in subdivision (c), where the victim has not attained 13
years of age, shall, upon parole, undergo medroxyprogesterone acetate
treatment or its chemical equivalent, in addition to any other
punishment prescribed for that offense or any other provision of law.


(c) This section shall apply to the following offenses:
(1) Subdivision (c) or (d) of Section 286.
(2) Paragraph (1) of subdivision (b) of Section 288.
(3) Subdivision (c) or (d) of Section 288a.
(4) Subdivision (a) or (j) of Section 289.
(d) The parolee shall begin medroxyprogesterone acetate treatment
one week prior to his or her release from confinement in the state
prison or other institution and shall continue treatments until the
Department of Corrections demonstrates to the Board of Prison Terms
that this treatment is no longer necessary.
(e) If a person voluntarily undergoes a permanent, surgical
alternative to hormonal chemical treatment for sex offenders, he or
she shall not be subject to this section.
(f) The Department of Corrections shall administer this section
and implement the protocols required by this section. Nothing in the
protocols shall require an employee of the Department of Corrections
who is a physician and surgeon licensed pursuant to Chapter 5
(commencing with Section 2000) of Division 2 of the Business and
Professions Code or the Osteopathic Initiative Act to participate
against his or her will in the administration of the provisions of
this section. These protocols shall include, but not be limited to,
a requirement to inform the person about the effect of hormonal
chemical treatment and any side effects that may result from it. A
person subject to this section shall acknowledge the receipt of this
information.


http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=p...01000&file=639-653.1
 
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The liberals will never allow it. Since they will take control of the federal government next year you can bet this will never see the light of day.
 
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The liberals will never allow it. Since they will take control of the federal government next year you can bet this will never see the light of day.
Yeah, 'cause there are no liberals in California...

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Yeah, 'cause there are no liberals in California...

IN how many cases has the law been invoked? How many juries have imposed that sentance?

I suspect very few if any. Has the law been used in San Francisco?
 
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Great! This is long overdue. Other approaches (incarceration, "therapy" and whatever)have all been a wash. I'm sure I recall where casteration had been ordered before but this chemical casteration seems most appropriate. I can't proove it but it was "common knowledge" that GI's were fed salt peter at times for a similar purpose. I would also implant an RF monitor just to keep tabs.
 
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The liberals will never allow it. Since they will take control of the federal government next year you can bet this will never see the light of day.


You see someone disagreeing with you, and you assume they're liberals.

I'm a liberal, and I AGREE with this proposal. If some jerk can't keep himself from raping people (possibly including children), then this is the best way to protect society. Personally, I don't think it should be chemical castration. I believe the phrase goes:
"Take it off! Take it ALL off!"

They mandate that people who commit crimes while drunk must stay sober.
They mandate that people who commit vehicular homicide (or even too many speeding tickets) aren't allowed to drive.
They mandate that child molesters can't go near schools.
If some guy can't keep it in the pants, why does he deserve to keep it?
 
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Yeah, 'cause there are no liberals in California...

IN how many cases has the law been invoked? How many juries have imposed that sentance?

I suspect very few if any. Has the law been used in San Francisco?
SFW ... hasn't been invoked at all in Louisiana so what are you b**ching about?

I don't know what San Francisco has to do with anything. I see them coming and I turn and run the other way. It is only worthy as a measure of left wing lunacy.
 
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Yeah, 'cause there are no liberals in California...

IN how many cases has the law been invoked? How many juries have imposed that sentance?

I suspect very few if any. Has the law been used in San Francisco?
Well, since California has had Chemical Castration laws on the books for TWELVE YEARS, I'd have to say "yes", San Francisco juries have imposed this sentence. It is required of anyone guilty of a second offense.

Jesus Freaking Christ folks, JUSTICE is not a partisan issue...
 
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Well, since California has had Chemical Castration laws on the books for TWELVE YEARS, I'd have to say "yes", San Francisco juries have imposed this sentence. It is required of anyone guilty of a second offense.

Jesus Freaking Christ folks, JUSTICE is not a partisan issue...


Ahh, Welcome to La La Land, where every decision is Right vs Left. No need to analyse or think, in La La Land, all of that is replaced with convenient labels. Besides, havn't you noticed that thinking causes headaches? Big Grin

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I believe the ACLU has fought this a couple of times and won, they even fought against voluntary sterilization and won, don't know the cases but I'm sure they did. This Louisiana law will go down in flames also.


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I believe the ACLU has fought this a couple of times and won, they even fought against voluntary sterilization and won, don't know the cases but I'm sure they did. This Louisiana law will go down in flames also.

I believe you are wrong ... and there currently are similar laws in other states as you would know had you read the thread.
 
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Very misleading. The med doesn't "castrate" men, that implies a permanent loss of male function. As long as the person is on it, thier libdo are decreased. AS soon as they stop the med, they go back to what passes for "normal" for these freaks.
I've seen it happen. AS a hoem care nurse I had to go to a parol office and administer the med. The guy came a couple of time, then disappeared. As soon as the med left his system, I'll bet he went back to stalking little kids again.

As an aside note, even surgerical castration will not stop them. They will use thier hands or other objects.
It's not about the act itself, but the control.
It's obvious tthese deviants are lacking LEAD in thier diets .... My perscription is a high speed lead injection adminitered right between the eyes. Gun
 
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Originally posted by joedokes:
I believe the ACLU has fought this a couple of times and won, they even fought against voluntary sterilization and won, don't know the cases but I'm sure they did. This Louisiana law will go down in flames also.

I believe you are wrong ... and there currently are similar laws in other states as you would know had you read the thread.


I've read the thread and you are wrong, when that paticular law is challenged and it is taken on by the ACLU it has been defeated, if some States have it on their books it hasen't been challenged by anyone.


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Very misleading. The med doesn't "castrate" men, that implies a permanent loss of male function. As long as the person is on it, thier libdo is decreased. AS soon as they stop the med, they go back to what passes for "normal" for these freaks.
As an aside note, even surgerical castration will not stop them. They will use thier hands or other objects.
It's not about the act itself, but the control.
It's obvious tthese deviants are lacking LEAD in thier diets .... My perscription is a high speed lead injection adminitered right between the eyes. Gun


You're right navy, a couples ounces betwixt the eyes works wonders on the libedo.


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I've read the thread and you are wrong, when that paticular law is challenged and it is taken on by the ACLU it has been defeated, if some States have it on their books it hasen't been challenged by anyone.

You are invited to provide examples ... I can't find any instances where chemical castration has been overturned based on anything the ACLU has done.
 
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I've read the thread and you are wrong, when that paticular law is challenged and it is taken on by the ACLU it has been defeated, if some States have it on their books it hasen't been challenged by anyone.

You are invited to provide examples ... I can't find any instances where chemical castration has been overturned based on anything the ACLU has done.


I guess you'll just have to look harder huh?


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