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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The Obama administration will scrap the controversial missile defense shield program in Eastern Europe, a senior administration official said Thursday.
The U.S. reversal on the missile shield is likely to please Russia, which had fiercely opposed the plan. 1 of 2 The comment followed similar statements from officials in Poland and the Czech Republic, where key elements of the system were to be located, but it marked the first confirmation from an American official. The White House is planning a briefing Thursday morning at which an official announcement is expected. U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates -- who signed off on the plan in the past -- then will hold a briefing at the Pentagon to explain "why this new idea is better," the official said. The official was not authorized to speak on the record. Earlier Vice President Joe Biden refused to confirm that the George W. Bush-era plan was being shelved. But Biden explained the logic of doing so, saying Iran -- a key concern for the United States -- was not a threat. "I think we are fully capable and secure dealing with any present or future potential Iranian threat," Biden said in Baghdad, where he is on a brief trip. Don't Miss Missile defense system passes test, U.S. agency says "The whole purpose of this exercise we are undertaking is to diminish the prospect of the Iranians destabilizing that region in the world. I am less concerned -- much less concerned -- about the Iranian potential. They have no potential at this moment, they have no capacity to launch a missile at the United States of America," he said. Biden said he is "deeply" involved in the review of the missile defense program. The program called for the U.S. to set up a radar site in the Czech Republic and 10 missile interceptors in Poland to counter the threat of Iran launching long-range missiles at America's allies in Europe. See how the system would have worked » | See a map of what were proposed sites » The Bush administration had cited the perceived nuclear threat from Iran as one of the key reasons it wanted to install the missile shield in Eastern Europe. ' I have only one question - duty of defense of own country - and also collaboration with allies - can call 'controversial issue' ? . |
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Good! We didn't need that stupid missile shield thing anyway. Waste of money, waste of time. Cold war thinking. What we needed, and apparently didn't have was a hijacked plane shield.
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"The day is wasted in which you learn nothing" |
A little "cold war thinking" can negate the need of a lot of "hot war scrambling". |
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Naw..., we have no concerns of NORTH KOREA nor IRAN perfecting their delivery (missile) capabilities...  |
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When Iran perfects a flying camel, let me know.
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Obama's staying the course on capitulation and appeasement...the pic says it all.
   "The World's Finest" |
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"Bowlers have BIG balls!" |
"The World's Finest" |
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I think this picture says it better...  |
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Naw... now Kegler calm down.
Killswitch has assured us that its all hype and that the peaceful people of Iran are totally misunderstood... Right Killswitch, Killswitch? Well anyway, Killswitch knows, just ask him . . . |
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I am just curious - why we were going to serve as the defense forces for our allies in the first place? This system was not to protect against ICBM's aimed at us, but at TBM's aimed at our allies. We do not man their borders against armored divisions, bomber wings, or amphibious brigades, so why were going to do so against TBM's? They can develop or buy the technology if they choose, or they can bloody well ask us and pay us for it.
I am okay with helping our allies, but there has to be a limit. |
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Ooh... A picture from the Drudge Report. Who'da guessed that you get your 'news' from such a reliable source. |
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I'm actually in agreement with this statement. At what point do we start letting our allies cover some of the cost of protecting themselves? |
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As opposed to the Communist New Network, Communist Now Broadcasting Co, or maybe one of those other reliable, unbiased news sources. Let's face it.. NONE of the media is totally reliable and probably somewhere in the middle is the truth. You just have to sift through all the BS to find it. |
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"Bowlers have BIG balls!" |
Uh, duh...which way did he go, which way did he go... The Drudge Report provides the links to the news sources, including your favorite news sources, Huffington Compost, PMSNBC, et al. It is not the source. Get your facts straight. This pic is what it is... "The World's Finest" |
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And THIS is what you found. Great sifting.... |
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Here's the thing about news media. They ARE all biased. Some aren't even news agencies anymore, but mouthpieces for a particular political view. FOX is probably the worst. There's no need to say which way they lean. CNN, of course leans a bit left. You mentioned CNBC as left leaning... I actually see it leaning a little Right-ish. ABC: right again.
They don't have to necessarily present the news incorrectly to take a lean. They simply have to focus on news and issues that will garner more support for their tilt and ignore the rest. Talking heads... that's not 'news' at all. That's opinion, and the problem we have today is that we have an oligarchy of opinion media, having scared away all small press, radio, and TV they can flaunt any sense of news decorum, investigative reporting, and truth. There is absolutely no 'truth' to news that anyone can depend on. The war to keep monopolies out of news has long been lost and opinions have nucleated into countervailing mega-blabber. Blogs have become both the voice and the yellow press of the people. It is good to see that they give the opinion media a run for their money, but they don't do investigative reporting, either. We're stuck with a lot of voice and very little knowledge. |
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What news? Looks like a picture to me and you know what they say...a pic is worth a thousand words. |
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.... the best things are free. (Albert Schweizer) |
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I wonder if lining up the defense on the 1 yard line every time would be a good approach to winning...? |
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Ok...give me a list of acceptable news outlets so we can all fall in line with YOUR format of thinking. I wonder if it will include Jon Lebowitch? |
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??? Do you mean Jon Leibowitz? Leibowitz was vice president of congressional affairs for the Motion Picture Association of America, now picked as the only democrat among several republicans for policing the business industry. He's not even a news source. Even if he was, don't you think an outsider to the whole media-mogul industry would be a better source to find investigative knowledge about media monopolies? What's your angle with this; a new conversation entirely? Just taking political chip shots and hoping to get a response from the flag? |
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In light of the fact that Nato is calling for a joint US/Russian shield this morning. it is safe to say that Chamberlain er Obama has screwed the pooch on this one
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Who has more intel? You or the president of the US? You don't see a little political gamesmanship going on there? |
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"The day is wasted in which you learn nothing" |
Win some, loose some. I don't yet see this as a great defeat. Today's friends are yesterday's enemies...and may be tomorrow's. Don't bet the farm on their fidelity. Those soviet breakaways need to take the lead in their own defence. I suspect the original plan to deploy that shield was more a desire to poke the bear in the eye than to actually protect/defend our homeland or honor our NATO commitments. |
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AKA stewert |
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Personally I am glad Obama decided to scrap the missile shield. Let the commies or Muslims set off a ballistic missile. That is the only way we will for once and for all kill those little butt burgers. Why on earth is everyone in this country so scared of seeing 100,000 people burnt to a crisp? Those that are dead didn't feel a thing. All they saw was a flash and maybe a mushroom cloud. As long as it doesn't effect me I really don't care.
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Football is not a great analogy here - only two teams play at a time. If Iran attacks one of our allies, we are fully capable of counterattacking on their behalf with excessive force - glaze enough desert that they can never escape the bunkers. To date, no one has suggested that Iran is anywhere close to developing either an ICBM or the stupidity require to engage in nuclear war with the US. Even if they did, odds are not great that the intended system would be able to intercept ICBM's from the region. |
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Poland no longer takes calls from State. Chavez now manufactures AK-47's. The Chinese are entering into oil contracts with cuba AND CANADA. Honduras Gvt., CONSTITUTIONALLY ousts their President who was trying to overthrow the Constitution and become a mini-Chavez. Naturally, The Obama protests, calling it an "onerthrow" and backing Ortega, Chavez and Castro. Perfect!
N. Korea and IRAN, sprinting for the finishline for atomic weapons and effective delevery systems, spit in our eyes agreeing to "talks" but continuing to run tward that finish line. Blatantly ignoring the Obama Admin. UN, etal.. Attacks in Afganistan are again increasing in effectiveness and frequency. The Obama Admin. has stopped the border fence, stopped some missile development, stopped the F-22, HAS NOT REINFORCED the Afganistan forces, as per the Commanding General's request. CHUINA, yes CHINA was warned the Obama Admin. that their spending is out of control and endangers their desire to purchase our debt. Israel has started to completely ignore the Obama Admin.'s requests as Mr. Obama has ignored theirs. The Obama has driven the final nail into the Monroe Doctrine, and this is not good. Mr. OBAMA AND AMERICA IS NO LONGER FEARED overseas. Rather we are starting to be seen as unreliable as allies and all day suckers to be swindled buy our enemies. All this in 8 short months. Yeah, we've got nothing to fear from N. Korea , Iran, or rogue nuclear weapons, nothing at all. Let's all go hit the snooze alarm for another 4 years.....not. |
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I think there's a lot more going on behind the scenes than the public knows about. As many people have said here, many times, a smart CiC isn't going to telegraph his moves.
This found on Yahoo News: By ROBERT BURNS, AP National Security Writer WASHINGTON – The Obama administration's revamped plan for a European missile shield is part of a broad new strategy for squeezing Iran. The plan has upset some loyal allies with its appeal to Russia. Yet if the new approach pans out, using more diverse defenses and greater diplomatic leverage, it could provide protection from Iran not only for Europe but also Israel and Arab states in the Persian Gulf who fear the Iranians' pursuit of ballistic missiles and nuclear weapons. With U.S. troops already stationed on Iran's eastern and western flanks — in Iraq and Afghanistan — the addition of anti-missile weapons aboard U.S. Navy ships in the region would add to Iran's military isolation. And the hope is that it would ease Israel's sense of urgency for taking military action against Iran. Critics say the emerging Obama approach does too little to enhance protection of the U.S. homeland from missile threats while putting too much stock in intelligence estimates of Iran's missile plans. On the diplomatic front, President Barack Obama hopes Russia will find more reason to go along with U.S. efforts to stop Iran from building a nuclear bomb, now that Washington has abandoned a Bush administration approach to missile defense in Europe that Moscow viewed as a threat to its own security. In Moscow, Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin called the Obama move a "right and brave decision." In a new outreach to Russia on Friday, the civilian chief of NATO called for the U.S., Russia and NATO to link their missile defense systems against potential new nuclear threats from Asia and the Middle East. Previous such appeals for collaboration have produced little concrete result, but with Obama's change of approach this one may stand a better chance. Russia publicly opposes any Iranian effort to develop nuclear weapons, but it also is against imposing new sanctions on Tehran. <snip> |
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Iran is controled by Shi'a Mahdi Muslims aka "Twelvers"),you do know this don't you? You , of course, are fuly educated about their beliefs, ESPECIALLY the end times?
If not, you should learn, and, as Coleridge stated have a " willing suspension of disbelief." |
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