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The evidence is mounting that the Republicans will be clobbered in November.

The Bush administration has virtually destroyed the party's reputation to the point that they're forced to line up behind John McCain, a man most of the party insiders despise.

Perhaps McCain would have a better chance if he divorced himself from the politics of Tom Delay, George Bush and Dick Cheney. Otherwise, he's as likely to be hammered as are the Republican members of Congress.



LETTER FROM WASHINGTON
Republicans forced to turn to their nemesis: John McCain
By Albert R. Hunt Bloomberg NewsPublished: May 11, 2008


The Republican political establishment is looking to the devil to deliver them, the man many have depicted as the incarnation of evil: John McCain.

Republicans in the U.S. Congress are petrified about a November debacle, a fear stoked on May 3, when they lost their second straight special election in a district held by Republicans.

The party's fundamental situation is terrible: Republicans are saddled with an enormously unpopular president, a war, a troubled economy and a Democratic opposition that's being energized by important constituent groups.

"The generics are as bad as anytime since I have been here," said Representative Tom Davis, a Virginia Republican and one of the most politically astute members of Congress in either party. Davis, a 14-year veteran, is retiring this year, frustrated with his party's long-term prospects.

In a delicious irony, the one bright spot is McCain, the presumptive Republican presidential nominee. A few months ago, McCain spoke to the party's caucus in the House of Representatives and said that he would campaign in any district where he was wanted and stay out of any where he would be a liability.

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This is turning history on its head. Not long ago, the independent-minded McCain was vilified by his party's leaders.

Tom DeLay - the former Republican majority leader who was once the most powerful official the House had had in years - complained that McCain "has done more to hurt the Republican Party than any elected official I know of." Former House Speaker Dennis Hastert once suggested that McCain, a decorated prisoner of war in Vietnam, didn't understand sacrifice.

This year, Senator Thad Cochran of Mississippi said the thought of a McCain presidency "sends a cold chill down my spine." His former Mississippi colleague, Trent Lott, has endorsed McCain; eight years earlier, Lott's comments about the Arizona lawmaker were unprintable.

The czar of conservative talk radio, Rush Limbaugh, said earlier this year that a McCain nomination would "destroy" Republicans: "He has stabbed his own party in the back I can't tell you how many times."

There is a situational element to these attitudes; McCain is fine when he's useful to them.

Former Senator Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania, facing an uphill re-election struggle in 2006, brought his old enemy into the state and tried to bask in his popularity. After Santorum was defeated, he reverted to form and trashed McCain.

Similarly, the epiphany that many Republican officeholders have recently had about McCain is about their own fate: They're scared. Charlie Cook and Stu Rothenberg are the twin towers of Washington election-watchers; much of the conventional wisdom in this town originates with them.

As of today, they both see the Democrats adding 5 to 10 seats to their House majority and gaining 3 to 6 Senate seats this November; that may be conservative.

With few other reeds, embattled Republicans see McCain as a lifeboat. They know voters don't like President George W. Bush or being in bed with sleazy special interests. That's the identity of the national party.

Few Republican lawmakers are viewed as more independent from Bush than is McCain - the two men really don't like each other - nor has there been any greater champion of ethics in politics than the 71-year-old senator.

McCain also provides cover on issues that plague the Republican image: the party's immigration bashing and its insensitivity to environmental concerns, especially climate change.

The odds, however, are that Republicans are deluding themselves - or at least exaggerating McCain's coattails.

In addition to the unfavorable political environment, Democrats have won the important initial rounds in House and Senate races. In the House, they have recruited several dozen potentially solid challengers; the Republicans' candidate-recruitment efforts, by their admission, have been disappointing.

In rating the current competitive House seats - about 1 in 10 - both Cook and Rothenberg see 50 percent more Republican-held seats at risk.

There's a similar pattern in the Senate. More than a half-dozen strong Democratic candidates are competing for Republican-held seats in states from Maine to New Mexico. As of today, there's possibly one vulnerable Democratic incumbent, Mary Landrieu of Louisiana, and that may be a stretch.

Moreover, the Democratic campaign chairmen, Representative Chris Van Hollen of Maryland and Senator Charles Schumer of New York, have run circles around the opposition.

At the end of the first quarter, the two Democratic campaign committees had $82.1 million in the bank - over three times more than the $24.5 million held by Republicans. In two-thirds of the most competitive House contests, the Democrats have more money.

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Yep, they are toast.
 
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Yep, they are toast.


no i am toast..


but anyhow the dems are so divided they will not be able to stand united in nov to elect one of their own.... obama people most wont vote for clinton but would rather vote for mccain or not vote at all and the same for clinton people.... so i am looking towards to a mccain victory in nov.... Big Grin


 
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outlaw

You have been listening to the talking heads again.
 
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Your mouth to somebody's ear...Big Grin

I have to agree though. If you look at the swell in Democratic registrations across the country, once the party unites behind a candidate, there will be no contest. The road to the White House is assured for the Democrats.
 
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You have been listening to the talking heads again.


naw just the news and what ombama and clinton supporters has been saying...


on a side note my nick name for the past 20 years is toasty... its from the rocky horror picture show you know how everyone throws toast when they make a toast in the movie?? well i made a toast once after we got back from there at a dennys and everyone threw their toast at me and missed but one of my friends that hit me in the eye and i was toasted so everyone started to call me toasty....


hehehhee it had butter on it so it stuck...


 
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Yes the low class white folks will not vote for Obama and the blacks won't vote for Clinton.....go ahead and hold that thought.
 
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Prognostication is but a parlor game but I'm guessing Obama will squeek in. It won't be a mandate but mindless "change" and Afro-American voters will fall for his charisma. I will wish him well but I expect the nation to draw even closer to rebellion as the liberal game plan begins sounding America's death knell. If we survive Obama, the next, conservative, president will have to be an iron fist. I still gotta remind myself that any president is just one person embodying just one branch of our government. The sad fact is that Congress enacts national legislation, or fails to, not the pres, so the USA, will rise or fall on their lame efforts.
 
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Prognostication is but a parlor game but I'm guessing Obama will squeek in. It won't be a mandate but mindless "change" and Afro-American voters will fall for his charisma. I will wish him well but I expect the nation to draw even closer to rebellion as the liberal game plan begins sounding America's death knell. If we survive Obama, the next, conservative, president will have to be an iron fist. I still gotta remind myself that any president is just one person embodying just one branch of our government. The sad fact is that Congress enacts national legislation, or fails to, not the pres, so the USA, will rise or fall on their lame efforts.


so how TRUE.
 
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You hit the nail on the head about congress. Although the president has a great deal of influence on a great deal of issues.

I see the Republican Party getting slaughtered in congress. There will be a big change over. I am not saying the Dems will be on the receiving side of this. We may very well see a great number of independants win. Although in cases where no independant is available Dems may win a few more seats. I do see possibly a few long standing dem procrastinators lossing as well though in the congressional races.

I see Obama winning in a fashion similar to Clinton in 96. The vote will be split between him, mccain, and some third party candidate in a way that no one will truely get half the vote. But ltimately Obama will likely win unless something catastrophic occurs during the election period.

Regardless of who wins I have a feeling that the results will be significantly different then past elections. There will be a strong sign that the people are tired of the same old same old. Exactly how that will manifest itself I am not sure. But I am guessing Indipendants are likely to see their best showing ever even if they don't necessarily win.
 
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Obama's got more baggage than qualifications but, I'm afraid guilt-ridden, miracle-wishing, ignorant masses will opt to hang their hopes on the "new mesiah". May God have mercy.

(just corrected the spelling of Obama. "Onama" was embarrassing)

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If we were toast then there wouldn't be an Operation Chaos.

Senator McCain is a great American, a lousy senator and a terrible Republican.

But is still a better choice than either Barack or Mrs. William Clinton.

If someone like me can pull the lever for him then the Democrats are in for a rude awakening the day after the election.

It really is a choice between three evils.

Our hope will be his choice of VP. J.C. Watts would be a great one or maybe Haley Barbour, Duncan Hunter, Marsha Blackburn. Any would give him the winning edge.


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Onama's got more baggage than qualifications but, I'm afraid guilt-ridden, miracle-wishing, ignorant masses will opt to hang their hopes on the "new mesiah". May God have mercy.
What baggage? Wright and Ayers? I'd hardly call that "baggage". More like the toothbrush case in a shaving kit. Wright and Ayers is all the Republicans have and it is pathetic, especially when John McCain's "questionable pastors” (note the PLURAL in that) are largely ignored by the "liberal media" Roll Eyes

The question is how far will the Republican Party go. How disgustingly far will they go with the race card? THAT is what remains to be seen. I hope we, as Americans, have grown beyond race being an issue, but if what I see around here is any indication, I fear that is simply not the case.
 
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Onama's got more baggage than qualifications but, I'm afraid guilt-ridden, miracle-wishing, ignorant masses will opt to hang their hopes on the "new mesiah". May God have mercy.


He has no more nor less experience to prepare him for the office of the presidency then Kennedy did. Yet Kennedy remains one of the most popular presidents ever, so much for experience. Obama is also heir to the same liberal tradition.

The cons had eight years of control and screwed it up, now step aside.
 
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How disgustingly far will they go with the race card?
Hopefully not as far as Senator Clinton and former President Clinton ... and the Reverend Wright.

And, whether you like it or not, race IS an issue in this election. One doesn't need a crystal ball to realize that .... but only to look at the way votes have split between Obama and Clinton in the Democratic primaries.
 
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The cons had eight years of control and screwed it up, ...
As did the libs before them ... for a longer time.
 
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How disgustingly far will they go with the race card?
Hopefully not as far as Senator Clinton and former President Clinton ... and the Reverend Wright.
I agree, the Clinton's have pushed that envelope during her failed campaign. What, however, does what Reverend Wright has to say have anything to do with what Obama has SAID or believes? Should John McCain be judged by the pastor he considers his "spiritual guide" or the one whose endorsement he actively sought? I don’t believe he should. I believe he should be judged by the things HE has said and HIS actions, just as Obama should. The funny thing is that I think McCain believes that as well. I believe that Obama and McCain will both run an honorable race, but they will have no control of the public interest groups on both sides that will be trying to influence the race. I’m a “happy, clappy” liberal and I hope for the best…
 
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well i have a magic 8-ball and it said mccain will take the presidency....


 
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The cons had eight years of control and screwed it up, ...
As did the libs before them ... for a longer time.


By any measure, the Clinton years were far better than now. Not perfect, but certainly not the disaster we see now.
 
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What, however, does what Reverend Wright has to say have anything to do with what Obama has SAID or believes?

Perhaps very little ... however you did not limit yourself to candidates when you said:

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The question is how far will the Republican Party go. How disgustingly far will they go with the race card? THAT is what remains to be seen. I hope we, as Americans, have grown beyond race being an issue, but if what I see around here is any indication, I fear that is simply not the case.

Last time I looked, Wright was a member of the Democratic Party ... and has already played the race card ... unfortunately to the detriment of his own candidate.

So, knowing how disgustingly far (some) Democrats will go, I repeat my earlier statement that I hope that Republicans do not do likewise.
 
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The cons had eight years of control and screwed it up, ...
As did the libs before them ... for a longer time.


By any measure, the Clinton years were far better than now. Not perfect, but certainly not the disaster we see now.


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Yes, Wright is a member of the Democratic party as is Sharpton and Jackson. It is MY hope that this race between Obama and McCain will transcend all that and will run a race based on the issues not these ridiculous off topic and irrelevant distractions like Wright, Hagee, Parsley and Ayers.
 
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